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[insan]

6th May 1999 ??? where do you get that date???

From where it was first published and then republished. Follow the above link u will see it.

[Paphitis]

OK MATE..LISTEN..this guy says he actually and other town people saw lots of prisoners in 17 military trucks before this thing,,he says each truck had 60=70 people inside and he says actually most were women,kids and elderly,,there were few young among these..
also he says a military person told him that there were altogether 2500 greeks killed..but in that trench there are around 780..he says if they take him to adana he can actually find the place where they buried them..he says each bag had one corpse in it and all the bags were bloodied..
this guy says he really feels the pain and he is ready to face court and tell everything he knows if he feels safe..
this is just shockingly bad..the turkish public in turkey has to hear this..this trench can be e asily found ..it is actually closeto the town center, not in a rural area..

Thanks Ali!

Among other things, I will try and find out how many women and children were incarcerated in Adana. All photographs and video only show men of all ages and possibly some teenagers as well. I can confirm that there were some very old men and there were even GO priests. Many of the victims were no doubt innocent and were not even CNG.

I do know that there was another Prison where GCs were held.

A Turkish shepherd in the area was responsible for alerting the Red Cross or British about the Adana Prison. This is why the BBC went to Adana and beamed footage of the GC POWs all over the world. Surely this alone had also saved many within Adana. In my father in-law's case, a TC friend of his father's went to Adana to find him. My father in-law believes that this TC might of had something to do with him surviving the ordeal.

[ali40]

I dunno..I am shocked and disgusted..I only can hate turks for doing this and this was kept secret but mind you this will come on turkish press this time,,i hope there would be a search for those bones one day..but turks will deny this too as they deny the armenian genocide too...

[ali40]

ok also i found it, in the interview it actually says the interview took place in 1999,,probably it never got enough attention afterwards but with the recent things happening in turkey i hope this will be brought to sunshine..

[Cem]

There are some issues that need to be clarified about this story.

Why the GC POWs were brought to Adana which is still the 4th largest city in Turkey.? Bringing such a considerable number of POWs and GC civilians in order to liquidate them there in secret was nearly impossible in such a dense and populous environment.

In the text, there were statements such as “Adana'nın Karşıyaka semtine getirmişlerdi. They had been brought to Karşıyaka district of Adana. Yüzlerce insan bunu gördü o zaman. (Hundreds of people saw it then). Herkes koşup bakıyordu (Everyone was rushing in to see them) Seyirciler kendi aralarında 'Bunları satılığa çıkarmışlar' diye konuşup, gülüyorlardı”. The bystanders were laughing among themselves, saying 'they are up for sale' .

Adana Numune Hastanesi'nin yanına da Sabancılar'a ait eski bir yağ fabrikası vardı, esirleri daha sonra o yağ fabrikasının ambarına koydular. There was an old oil factory that belonged to Sabanci group next to Adana Numune Hospital and prisoners were then put in the oil factory warehouse.

Note:Yağ in Turkish could mean both comestible (corn oil, olive oil) and non-comestible oil (grease). There can be but one oil company belonging to Sabanci group in Adana and it is Marsa. The company has a website www.marsa.com.tr with English interface. It also features the history of the company on a schema which could give a lead about the name of the factory that must have become old by 1974.

Now, let’s go on:

Hayır. - No. “Sadece bize böyle bir temel açmamız söylendi”. (No, all we were told was to dig a trench).

*Bu temelin yerine tam olarak hatırlıyor musunuz? * Do you remember where the trench was located?

“ Seyhan nehrinin yanında, bir portakal bahçesinin içindeydi”. In some orange garden by Seyhan river .

Oraya 'itidasi' dediklerini duydum. I heard they called the place 'itidasi'.

Note:
Now at first sight, the name sound meaningless, but when the word is broken up such as iti –dasi (it=dog, dasi (taşı) =carry) , it can be either interpreted as “carry the dog” or a broken Turkish such as “it adasi” if “i” is replaced by “a” so it becomes dog island. (Considering that those characters are generally illiterate or semi-literate there is likelihood that they might have mispronounced)

Temeli kazdığımız yerin karşısında, Seyhan Nehri'nin öteki tarafında Ömer Sabancı'nın eski yağ fabrikası görünüyordu. (From where we dug the trench we could see Omer Sabanci's former oil factory on the other side of the Seyhan River).

Note:

Well, considering the pace of urbanization in centers such as Adana receiving a massive immigration, it is highly probable that the said area must have been filled with high-rise buildings.

The best way to learn more about is first to get approximate coordinates of the area, contact some Marsa official to learn about the history of the old oil factory and also try to find some locals (mostly old) who still are around and get their help in locating the area. I don’t think that this guy will be of substantial help as the area by now has been completely transformed. The only hope is whether the garden is still there so that some excavation work can be secured.

Although he seems to recall the number of trucks such that: “Benim gördüğüm esirler 17 askeri cemseye doldurulmuşlardı. I have seen the captives were tucked in 17 military GMCs. Each GMC must have had at least 60-70 persons. .

Note:
He does not seem to recall the number of bloodied bags nor makes an guess. The dozers may be working in the night thus making a guess difficult, but still they must have their lights on to see what they were dumping in the trench. He only mentions what later the major told him the number of corpses being 775. Besides if he can distinguish the color of blood in the night, he could easily guess the number of the bags.

Anyway, there are other dim issues which I will bring up later on.

[ali40]

For god's sake the real power lies with the military in turkey..Soldiers rule turkey..will they let a proper search for this area ?/of course not..very difficult to really search for these killed people..

[juscogens]

i am shocked and pleased to see that actually people know and talk about the cypriot problem so openly.Our country is so dominated by politics that sometimes the real problem seems to be forgotten.
anw.im doing my dissertation paper on enforced disappearances in armed conflicts and of course i will include the cyprus problem.the problem is that i cant find enough information. can someone help me ? i need some new upgrades on the matter and in relation to the ICC and the International Convention for the protection of all persons from enforced disappearance.

[Cem]

i am shocked and pleased to see that actually people know and talk about the cypriot problem so openly.Our country is so dominated by politics that sometimes the real problem seems to be forgotten.
anw.im doing my dissertation paper on enforced disappearances in armed conflicts and of course i will include the cyprus problem.the problem is that i cant find enough information. can someone help me ? i need some new upgrades on the matter and in relation to the ICC and the International Convention for the protection of all persons from enforced disappearance.

Hi, you may get in touch with Mrs. Gülden Plümer Küçük. She is President of the Turkish Cypriot Association of University Women and TC representative of the Committe of Missing Persons. She can be contacted at the following address:
http://www.ktukd.org/English/cont.html.

Don't know about the GC Rep, however Küçük may help you with that too.