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The constant hate between TC & GC

Postby Turk_Green_Eyes » Thu Feb 05, 2009 5:01 pm

Hey everybody, I read on the forum alot, I don't usually make posts but today I'm feeling a little bit contemplative so I decided to get out my view across on the whole controversial topic that faces us in Cyprus every single day, the huge issue between TC and GC's.
Let's get a couple of things straight here, I am not just a "TC", yes I have Turkish blood running through my veins, yes I have English blood running through my veins, and I live in Paralimni, along side Greek Cypriots who I love as family and friends, and would sacrifice alot for the ones I love, no matter whether they have Turkish DNA or Greek DNA. I was born to a Turkish Cypriot father, and a Mainly British mother. My mother's side of the family has lived in GC part of Famagusta for as long as I can remember, my mother's side have lived alongside Greek Cypriots. I was educated in England for the most part, after I moved there as a young child, but much of my childhood were spent in Famagusta with my family. I have fond memories of my childhood with my GC friends. Of course then, we were completely oblivious to the fact that we were supposed to "hate" each other. I didn't grow up with my father around alot, yes I saw him sometimes, yes I have contact with him, but the real father figure in my life was my older brother-in-law, from Pafos. Yes, you guessed it- a GC. The fact that I have had little to do with my father has not instilled in me any hatred towards the Turks or the Turk Cypriots. Because I'm a firm believer that we have good and bad people coming in all different shapes, sizes, colors, and nationalities. I'm greatful for the Turkish blood I have, I'm greatful for the tan color of my skin, I'm greatful for my big green eyes, I'm greatful for my curly dark "turkish" hair.
Now as an intelligent young woman with the world at my feet, tell me why, me and others like me should be painolised(sp) for the blood I carry. Isit a concious decision I made to have Turkish blood? No, you cannot help who you are or the background you come from. You must appreciate it and embrace it, not in an arrogant manner, but in a manner that reflects your views. I'm not promoting hate and segregation, but I'm not certainly not promoting peace, it's not my job. lol. I'm simply saying, not everybody's the same. For example, how could I carry the same hate within for me Greek's when I live in their part of the country, and have grown up among them. And how could I hate Turks when that's where part of me comes from? I did not invade the island the Cyprus. And many of the new generations of TC and GC, are still hating each other. I understand how the older generation who were around when the Turks invaded and did what they did, hate the Turks. But hate never prevails and overcomes in the end. (Ok- that sounds a bit preacher-ish). I can never possibly understand what it would feel like to walk in the shoes of those GC's that had to flee from their own homes, or be shot. I can never know what it feels like. But all I'm saying is, to carry the same hate for the sons and daughters and their sons and daughters over their grandparent's and parent's actions is irresponsible. If you need to hate, hate by all means, hate to the government that affects you, hate them for the decisions they made, and the unnecessary action they took. But don't hate the people caught in the middle, and don't automatically hate someone because of their blood. Everybody's situation is different, there's situation's you can feel anger towards yes, because morally, they are 100% wrong, but you can never understand what it truly felt like to walk in their shoes.

Also, I come on the internet to relax and take a few hours out from the the hate I see when I walk out of that front door(not towards me, but still- inevitably it's there), why should I see it on a forum too? Can't people just take a break and deal with their problems somewhere else...I mean, what is promoting hate towards your neighbours on an INTERNET FORUM going to prove? Nothing...really..just that the world's getting kind of sad. :|

Well, I think I'm rambling on a little bit now, but I thought I'd just share my opinion as someone who's a bit of a mix, but 100% happy and greatful.

:-)
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Postby denizaksulu » Thu Feb 05, 2009 5:11 pm

I am in love.......................again :lol: :lol:
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Postby Turk_Green_Eyes » Thu Feb 05, 2009 5:13 pm

haha
You are from London I see..?
which part?
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Postby YFred » Thu Feb 05, 2009 5:27 pm

Welcome to the forum. Let me assure you that people with hatred are a minority today. I personally know of two families who are GC/TC mixed marriage in London. You can imagine when we get togather the discussions we have. I too am from London, however originally from sunny Lurucina-by-Sea.
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Postby denizaksulu » Thu Feb 05, 2009 5:27 pm

Turk_Green_Eyes wrote:haha
You are from London I see..?
which part?



I do work in London. I commute.
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Postby Turk_Green_Eyes » Thu Feb 05, 2009 5:30 pm

Oh I see.. I used to live in Hounslow and Battersea. Not really nice areas lol.

Thankyou for your feedback YFred, I know what you're saying. Most time when I meet new people they don't have that hatred, but the things I've come across on this forum suggest it's underlying, or that some of these people really have too much time on their hands..
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Postby paliometoxo » Thu Feb 05, 2009 5:33 pm

all depends on the person, i think some cypriots even in cyprus dont care and have close friends from the other side of the island.
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Postby Piratis » Thu Feb 05, 2009 6:01 pm

Somebody that hates another person just because of his or her ethnic background is a racist.

But this is not the reason of hate in Cyprus. Until the 1950s GCs and TCs lived peacefully with each other.

The reason of the hate is what happened in the 50s and ever since. Turkey and the UK convinced the TC minority that they were "special" in some way and that they deserved more rights than any other minority on the expense of every other Cypriot. UK and Turkey did this to achieve divide and rule, and that is exactly what they achieved.

This continues the same today. Turkey continues to tell to TCs that they deserve to keep most of the land stolen from us in 1974, and things like 50% power etc. The TCs play the game of Turkey because they really like all these gains granted to them, and in this way they became accomplice in the crime of Turkey against Cyprus.

This is the root of the hate. A real solution to the Cyprus problem would create equal Cypriot citizens without any form of racist descriminations, segregation and separation. If that doesn't happen then the hate not only will not stop, but will increase.
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Postby YFred » Thu Feb 05, 2009 6:01 pm

Turk_Green_Eyes wrote:Oh I see.. I used to live in Hounslow and Battersea. Not really nice areas lol.

Thankyou for your feedback YFred, I know what you're saying. Most time when I meet new people they don't have that hatred, but the things I've come across on this forum suggest it's underlying, or that some of these people really have too much time on their hands..

You have met our lunatic fringe. That is all. That's hope they are never again are allowed to take over the asylum.

You poor thing, no wander you moved to Cyprus. You will find Chiswick and Richmond are slightly posher!
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Postby insan » Thu Feb 05, 2009 6:18 pm

Piratis wrote:Somebody that hates another person just because of his or her ethnic background is a racist.

But this is not the reason of hate in Cyprus. Until the 1950s GCs and TCs lived peacefully with each other.

The reason of the hate is what happened in the 50s and ever since. Turkey and the UK convinced the TC minority that they were "special" in some way and that they deserved more rights than any other minority on the expense of every other Cypriot. UK and Turkey did this to achieve divide and rule, and that is exactly what they achieved.

This continues the same today. Turkey continues to tell to TCs that they deserve to keep most of the land stolen from us in 1974, and things like 50% power etc. The TCs play the game of Turkey because they really like all these gains granted to them, and in this way they became accomplice in the crime of Turkey against Cyprus.

This is the root of the hate. A real solution to the Cyprus problem would create equal Cypriot citizens without any form of racist descriminations, segregation and separation. If that doesn't happen then the hate not only will not stop, but will increase.


Ahhh... Ahhhh... what a peaceful days were they :lol:

When the Communist Party of Cyprus was established officially on 14 August 1926, there was no Turkish Cypriots among its founders. Although one of its aims was "to form a united anti-British front of Greeks and Turks", its contact with the Turkish Cypriot community was very limited. The party supported at first the independence and later the autonomy of the island. The difference of ideas between the Communist Party of Cyprus and the Greek Cypriot nationalists who were advocating the union of the island with Greece (Enosis) obstructed the formation of the "anti-imperialist unity front" which was the aim of the communists. On the other hand, Kemalism was the only valid ideology in Turkey and among Turkish Cypriots. The socialist literature published in Turkish language was almost non-existent in Cyprus. Because the influence of the Communist Party of Turkey, which was prohibited in Turkey in 1923, was negligible even in Turkey.



Mr.Yakovides, the District Secretary of the Nicosia Workers Union, published in “Anexartitos” newspaper, dated 28 May 1944:

"(...) You decorated your union's building on 25th March with your own flags and made various speeches, but you never let us raise the Turkish flag on our national days and we did not say any word about the celebration of our national days. The worst of it, you did not give us the opportunity to listen to Ankara radio during the greatest sports bairam. (...) Your secretary-general Mr.Ziartides sent a pompous telegram to the British Prime Minister for the union of Cyprus with Greece. Although hundreds of Turkish and Armenians were members of your Union, you shouted in some of the general meetings "Brothers! Because we are Greeks, we have to continue our struggle and organize ourselves, so that at the end of the war, we could develop our nation." If you do not make discrimination between the racial and religious differences, why is there not a single Turk in the district board of the Union which is recognized by the government (...)."



I quote another passage from the open letter of Nicosia secretary of the Turkish Cypriot TU, Mehmet Niyazi, to the Nicosia District Workers Union, published on 22 June 1944 in Halkin Sesi:

"How many Turkish placards were among the hundreds of the Greek ones during the celebrations of 1 May 1943? None were present. During the meeting where the decision was taken for the general strike in 1943, no one spoke Turkish and suddenly when this was told to you after the Greek Cypriot workers Greek or English... Besides 1st May, the Turkish national days should be accepted and celebrated officially. The Turkish Cypriots and their schools should be called not as Islamic, but as Turkish."


Denying the facts either intentionally or by ignorancy; don't change them.

http://www.virtualict.com/~erpicorg/ima ... Cyprus.doc
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