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Piratis do you not support your leaders mission to negotiate a BBF with political equality of the 2 states?

My leaders do not support such thing mate.

We are willing to make a compromise for political equality of communities, not states, and that political equality of communities does not mean 50%-50% power share as you want it.

But yes, we are willing to make some compromises and this is one such example.

But in order to come to an agreement you have to make compromises from your rights as well.

So I ask you again:

Tell me one thing that is legally yours and which you are willing to compromise.

Gift you 71% of my country to turn into a GC state.

[Piratis]

Piratis do you not support your leaders mission to negotiate a BBF with political equality of the 2 states?

My leaders do not support such thing mate.

We are willing to make a compromise for political equality of communities, not states, and that political equality of communities does not mean 50%-50% power share as you want it.

But yes, we are willing to make some compromises and this is one such example.

But in order to come to an agreement you have to make compromises from your rights as well.

So I ask you again:

Tell me one thing that is legally yours and which you are willing to compromise.

Gift you 71% of my country to turn into a GC state.

You can not "gift me" what is mine already. So where is the compromise?

You are just repeating your dream of partition, presenting it as your "compromise".

[Viewpoint]

Piratis do you not support your leaders mission to negotiate a BBF with political equality of the 2 states?

My leaders do not support such thing mate.

We are willing to make a compromise for political equality of communities, not states, and that political equality of communities does not mean 50%-50% power share as you want it.

But yes, we are willing to make some compromises and this is one such example.

But in order to come to an agreement you have to make compromises from your rights as well.

So I ask you again:

Tell me one thing that is legally yours and which you are willing to compromise.

Gift you 71% of my country to turn into a GC state.

You can not "gift me" what is mine already. So where is the compromise?

You are just repeating your dream of partition, presenting it as your "compromise".

So obviously you cannot take what is already yours, the whole of Cyprus belongs to everyone not you or me...the compromis is you give up 29% to be administered by the TCs and I give up 71% to be administered by the GCs...that is compromise Yiannis and Ahmet can negotiate their own individual property ownership that is a totally different matter, why do you refuse to see the truth of the matter.

[Piratis]

Piratis do you not support your leaders mission to negotiate a BBF with political equality of the 2 states?

My leaders do not support such thing mate.

We are willing to make a compromise for political equality of communities, not states, and that political equality of communities does not mean 50%-50% power share as you want it.

But yes, we are willing to make some compromises and this is one such example.

But in order to come to an agreement you have to make compromises from your rights as well.

So I ask you again:

Tell me one thing that is legally yours and which you are willing to compromise.

Gift you 71% of my country to turn into a GC state.

You can not "gift me" what is mine already. So where is the compromise?

You are just repeating your dream of partition, presenting it as your "compromise".

So obviously you cannot take what is already yours, the whole of Cyprus belongs to everyone not you or me...the compromis is you give up 29% to be administered by the TCs and I give up 71% to be administered by the GCs...that is compromise Yiannis and Ahmet can negotiate their own individual property ownership that is a totally different matter, why do you refuse to see the truth of the matter.

But I never asked from you to leave from Cyprus

And again you are saying that partition which has been your dream since the 50s, and with your minority of 18% getting the 29% of land, is your compromise!

Ok, then we compromise as well: We compromise to take half of Turkey. If you want us to be even more compromising than that, then we accept 4/5ths of Turkey.

Anyways, enough with jokes. It is clear you are not willing to compromise and all you want is to illegally occupy our lands and blackmail us.

[denizaksulu]

What a load of bull from Piratis. Can you imagine a proper census ever being carried out in Cyprus during the years you have noted? You need a reality check. They can be nothing but estimates. Estimates provided by the church probably. Especially conjured to reduce the tax due to the tax collecteors (which were usually the Bishops/Priests) or even to reduce the numbers of men joining the Ottoman Army proably as devshirmes.

Forget what I said, just provide CREDIBLE EVIDENCE.

If they can collect taxes alright why would they have a problem counting their number of taxpayers and dependants?

Ask the crafty Orthodox population. I think it was you yourself who mentioned the tactics of avoidance and keeping males hidden, to stop them being enlisted. About a year ago. The same method also to avoid paying taxes. I am sure it was you. These figures are only guesswork imho.

Tax collection is the mother of incentives for keeping as accurate a head count as possible...

Yeah, right. Especially when it was the church doing the collection. We know the corruption within the church. Someone must have done a study on the Enrichment of the Greek Orthodoc Church in Cyprus. Ask your Library of Congress. They had a Mr. President Bush counting 'massacred' Orthodox in 1571 and witnessing the W of MD used by the Ottomans to effect this. (where does your library get its info from?) Frobably from the Greek Cypriot Administration!!

Give me a break GR

Maybe the Ottomans should've let the Orthodox Church, who incidentally outlived them by millennia, handle their finances... and who knows dear Deniz? Today you might’ve been the grand Vizier of Cyprus…

Hmmm. Now thats a thought. Where did my forbears go wrong?

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Piratis do you not support your leaders mission to negotiate a BBF with political equality of the 2 states?

My leaders do not support such thing mate.

We are willing to make a compromise for political equality of communities, not states, and that political equality of communities does not mean 50%-50% power share as you want it.

But yes, we are willing to make some compromises and this is one such example.

But in order to come to an agreement you have to make compromises from your rights as well.

So I ask you again:

Tell me one thing that is legally yours and which you are willing to compromise.

Gift you 71% of my country to turn into a GC state.

You can not "gift me" what is mine already. So where is the compromise?

You are just repeating your dream of partition, presenting it as your "compromise".

So obviously you cannot take what is already yours, the whole of Cyprus belongs to everyone not you or me...the compromis is you give up 29% to be administered by the TCs and I give up 71% to be administered by the GCs...that is compromise Yiannis and Ahmet can negotiate their own individual property ownership that is a totally different matter, why do you refuse to see the truth of the matter.

But I never asked from you to leave from Cyprus

And again you are saying that partition which has been your dream since the 50s, and with your minority of 18% getting the 29% of land, is your compromise!

Ok, then we compromise as well: We compromise to take half of Turkey. If you want us to be even more compromising than that, then we accept 4/5ths of Turkey.

Anyways, enough with jokes. It is clear you are not willing to compromise and all you want is to illegally occupy our lands and blackmail us.

If you have international agreements with Turkey giving you a part of Turkey, go for it what are you waiting for?

Its obvious from your comments that you have still not understood the meaning of BBF or to put it more correctly you do not want to accept that TCs will get a state of their own to administer with political safeguards to guarantee our effective role at the federal level. You really need to come up to speed as your leaders and the the world are right now negotiating a structure you clearly do not want.

Where in the world does peoperty ownership or the size of population dictate the size of a state, please provide examples, If Yiannis property is in the TC state then he can return or sell up same goes for Ahmet in the GC state, this is a totally different issue.

[Piratis]

Piratis do you not support your leaders mission to negotiate a BBF with political equality of the 2 states?

My leaders do not support such thing mate.

We are willing to make a compromise for political equality of communities, not states, and that political equality of communities does not mean 50%-50% power share as you want it.

But yes, we are willing to make some compromises and this is one such example.

But in order to come to an agreement you have to make compromises from your rights as well.

So I ask you again:

Tell me one thing that is legally yours and which you are willing to compromise.

Gift you 71% of my country to turn into a GC state.

You can not "gift me" what is mine already. So where is the compromise?

You are just repeating your dream of partition, presenting it as your "compromise".

So obviously you cannot take what is already yours, the whole of Cyprus belongs to everyone not you or me...the compromis is you give up 29% to be administered by the TCs and I give up 71% to be administered by the GCs...that is compromise Yiannis and Ahmet can negotiate their own individual property ownership that is a totally different matter, why do you refuse to see the truth of the matter.

But I never asked from you to leave from Cyprus

And again you are saying that partition which has been your dream since the 50s, and with your minority of 18% getting the 29% of land, is your compromise!

Ok, then we compromise as well: We compromise to take half of Turkey. If you want us to be even more compromising than that, then we accept 4/5ths of Turkey.

Anyways, enough with jokes. It is clear you are not willing to compromise and all you want is to illegally occupy our lands and blackmail us.

If you have international agreements with Turkey giving you a part of Turkey, go for it what are you waiting for?

Its obvious from your comments that you have still not understood the meaning of BBF or to put it more correctly you do not want to accept that TCs will get a state of their own to administer with political safeguards to guarantee our effective role at the federal level. You really need to come up to speed as your leaders and the the world are right now negotiating a structure you clearly do not want.

Where in the world does peoperty ownership or the size of population dictate the size of a state, please provide examples, If Yiannis property is in the TC state then he can return or sell up same goes for Ahmet in the GC state, this is a totally different issue.

Is there any international agreement giving you any separate state on Cyprus??? NO.

For any BBF to be agreed, you have to make compromises as well, and you have made none.

I asked from you to tell me one thing that is legally yours which you have compromised, and you were not able to provide one.

[Viewpoint]

Piratis do you not support your leaders mission to negotiate a BBF with political equality of the 2 states?

My leaders do not support such thing mate.

We are willing to make a compromise for political equality of communities, not states, and that political equality of communities does not mean 50%-50% power share as you want it.

But yes, we are willing to make some compromises and this is one such example.

But in order to come to an agreement you have to make compromises from your rights as well.

So I ask you again:

Tell me one thing that is legally yours and which you are willing to compromise.

Gift you 71% of my country to turn into a GC state.

You can not "gift me" what is mine already. So where is the compromise?

You are just repeating your dream of partition, presenting it as your "compromise".

So obviously you cannot take what is already yours, the whole of Cyprus belongs to everyone not you or me...the compromis is you give up 29% to be administered by the TCs and I give up 71% to be administered by the GCs...that is compromise Yiannis and Ahmet can negotiate their own individual property ownership that is a totally different matter, why do you refuse to see the truth of the matter.

But I never asked from you to leave from Cyprus

And again you are saying that partition which has been your dream since the 50s, and with your minority of 18% getting the 29% of land, is your compromise!

Ok, then we compromise as well: We compromise to take half of Turkey. If you want us to be even more compromising than that, then we accept 4/5ths of Turkey.

Anyways, enough with jokes. It is clear you are not willing to compromise and all you want is to illegally occupy our lands and blackmail us.

If you have international agreements with Turkey giving you a part of Turkey, go for it what are you waiting for?

Its obvious from your comments that you have still not understood the meaning of BBF or to put it more correctly you do not want to accept that TCs will get a state of their own to administer with political safeguards to guarantee our effective role at the federal level. You really need to come up to speed as your leaders and the the world are right now negotiating a structure you clearly do not want.

Where in the world does peoperty ownership or the size of population dictate the size of a state, please provide examples, If Yiannis property is in the TC state then he can return or sell up same goes for Ahmet in the GC state, this is a totally different issue.

Is there any international agreement giving you any separate state on Cyprus??? NO.

For any BBF to be agreed, you have to make compromises as well, and you have made none.

I asked from you to tell me one thing that is legally yours which you have compromised, and you were not able to provide one.

There is one with your signature on it that says we have a 30% 70% partnership but you only want that if we are not included.

We have made compromises you refuse to see them as they do not suit you.