YFred wrote:Piratis wrote:YFred wrote:Piratis wrote:YFred wrote:Piratis wrote:YFred wrote:Piratis wrote:Who had the last laugh?
You think you had the last laugh? Firstly nothing is over (and it will not be, until we are done with yet another foreign invader), and secondly I often hear you crying about embargoes and all the consequences of your illegalities against us.
You had to be a TC during the broadcasts to appreciate it. There you are claiming that the GC were broadcasting in Turkish. You are just unreal.
What you don't seem to realise dear friend, is that your policies drove TC away from Cyprus from 1963 to this day. But They are being replaced by Turks. So when will you realise it after there is no TC's left.
Carry on.
What TCs don't realize is that they are in fact just another ethnic minority. They were brainwashed to believe that they are something super special and that they deserve to have more rights and powers than what proportionally belongs to them. And since it sounds nice to be told that you are special, they readily accepted it. Just look at all the lame arguments they give when comparing themselves to the Kurds in Turkey.
In their attempt to get all those unfair gains on our expense as it was promised to them by British and Turks, they created conflicts, something which they have only themselves to blame for.
Talk about brainwashing, my god. Talking to you is like talking to a brick wall.
You run out of "arguments" I see.
Why is it so hard for you to admit that the 18% of Turkish minority in Cyprus is just another minority, which was used by the Turks and British, by promising to this minority privileges and disproportionally large powers (and later land as well), in order to turn them against the majority and deny to Cyprus its self-determination?
You are really not "special" Fred. You are not any different than say the Turkish minority of Bulgaria, or any other minority. The only difference is what I describe above. Foreigners granting to you privileges, powers and lands on the expense of every other Cypriot, in order to deny to Cyprus its freedom.
So stop making fool of yourselves by trying to show how "special" you are when compared to the Kurds or other minorities. You are not. Get it?
TC's are not special. You seemed to think that you can impose your will on the TC's just like Turkey does to the Kurds. You can see how wrong the Turks are but you are blind to the fact that GCs want exactly the same thing as what Turkey does. It cant be wrong for one and right for the other. Thats racist. What I would like to see is the same system introduced in Turkey, Bulgaria and Greece. All minorites should have the right to be able to live without oppression. I don't expect it in UK becasue everybody gets a fair deal. Can you say the same about some of these countries?
No my friend. The problem with the Kurds is that Turkey doesn't even allow to them their basic human rights. The Cypriots accepted for the TCs to have tons more rights than the Kurds get in Turkey, and more even than what minorities in the UK have. Turkish as an official language for example. The problem is that you are greedy and you want more than any other minority anywhere else in the world even when what you demand is in violation of the human and democratic rights of every other Cypriots, and that is what caused the conflict, and that is what continues causing it.
To use the UK as an example, since you said it is a "fair deal", does the UK ask its minorities separately regarding what direction the country as a whole is going to take? Did they ask them separately if they want UK to unite with EU for example? Did you think the minorities that disagreed with UK uniting with EU should have the right to attack the majority and start a conflict?
But anyways, give to the Kurds in Turkey what you demand for your minority in Cyprus and then come to ask for the same thing from us. Practice what you preach, otherwise you only show that you are hypocrites.
Has this not occurred because their constitution did not protect the Kurds.
Is this not the same constitution that you would like?
Do they not have political equality of one man one vote. Can you not see how easy it is to use such a system do deny a minority even their existence never mind their culture or language.
If the problem was democracy and one person one vote, then all minorities in all democratic countries would suffer as the Kurds do.
So the problem is not democracy, the problem is the Turks, who do not know (or rather don't want) a true democracy.
A true democracy includes both majority rule plus minority rights. In Turkey the Turks removed minority rights, and therefore the system they have there is not a true democracy. In Cyprus they want to remove majority rule and the system they want to enforce is again not democracy.
Here is the definition of democracy:
All democracies are systems in which citizens freely make political decisions by majority rule. In the words of American essayist E.B. White: “Democracy is the recurrent suspicion that more than half the people are right more than half the time.”
But majority rule, by itself, is not automatically democratic. No one, for example, would call a system fair or just that permitted 51 percent of the population to oppress the remaining 49 percent in the name of the majority. In a democratic society, majority rule must be coupled with guarantees of individual human rights that, in turn, serve to protect the rights of minorities and dissenters — whether ethnic, religious, or simply the losers in political debate. The rights of minorities do not depend upon the good will of the majority and cannot be eliminated by majority vote. The rights of minorities are protected because democratic laws and institutions protect the rights of all citizens.
Minorities need to trust the government to protect their rights and safety. Once this is accomplished, such groups can participate in, and contribute to their country’s democratic institutions. The principle of majority rule and minority rights characterizes all modern democracies, no matter how varied in history, culture, population, and economy.
http://www.america.gov/media/pdf/books/ ... -brief.pdf
So both majority rule and minority rights make a democracy. In Turkey the Turks want only majority rule, while in Cyprus they want no majority rule at all.
Why can't the Turks accepted a true democracy (majority rule + minority rights) for both Cyprus and Turkey, but they instead insist on double standards where in Turkey they violate the rights of the minorities, while in Cyprus violate the rights of the majority?
It seem the Turks always want a system that suits only them and screws everybody else.
