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[74LB]

The Turkish State TV (TRT) has started broadcasting in Kurdish, so maybe the language is not as banned as some might think.

TRT 6 started to broadcast from the Turksat 3A Satellite and the frequencies of the channel is as follows:

Frequency 12.685 MHz
Polarization Horizonal
Symbol Rate 30.000
FEC 5/6

CyBC broadcasts in Turkish for decades.

It is amazing how you think that others should be satisfied with only a fraction of the minimum while for yourselves you demand an overly exaggerated maximum which is in violation of the human and democratic rights of every other Cypriot!

We would gladly accept if you had a lot more than what the Kurds have in Turkey. Like Turkish as an official language of Cyprus, for example. The Kurds would be ecstatic if they got even 1/10th of what you can have in Cyprus. And still you think of your community as being so "special", and you demand yourselves outrageous things.

Which other ethnic community, for example, asked to have its own separate state on land that belongs to another community by over 80%?? Do the TCs understand how totally outrageous such demands are? And do they seriously expect us to accept such demands?

My post was to show that the Kurdish language is not banned as claimed by you a couple of times in this thread. That's all.

[YFred]

The Turkish State TV (TRT) has started broadcasting in Kurdish, so maybe the language is not as banned as some might think.

TRT 6 started to broadcast from the Turksat 3A Satellite and the frequencies of the channel is as follows:

Frequency 12.685 MHz
Polarization Horizonal
Symbol Rate 30.000
FEC 5/6

CyBC broadcasts in Turkish for decades.

It is amazing how you think that others should be satisfied with only a fraction of the minimum while for yourselves you demand an overly exaggerated maximum which is in violation of the human and democratic rights of every other Cypriot!

We would gladly accept if you had a lot more than what the Kurds have in Turkey. Like Turkish as an official language of Cyprus, for example. The Kurds would be ecstatic if they got even 1/10th of what you can have in Cyprus. And still you think of your community as being so "special", and you demand yourselves outrageous things.

Which other ethnic community, for example, asked to have its own separate state on land that belongs to another community by over 80%?? Do the TCs understand how totally outrageous such demands are? And do they seriously expect us to accept such demands?

Particularly enjoyable broadcasts I remember were "Bekledim da gelmedin" between 1963 and 1974. Very amusing.
They did come with a vengeance, didn’t they?
Who had the last laugh?
Keci guldu koyuna also comes to mind.

[YFred]

Insan? INSAN!!!!!!!!....Kikapu and Piratis should be tried for war crimes against Insan. Thats was brutal!

I did not realise you were one of the small minded lunatic fringe.
Now I know better.
Keep on taking the medication mate.

[Oracle]

The Turkish State TV (TRT) has started broadcasting in Kurdish, so maybe the language is not as banned as some might think.

TRT 6 started to broadcast from the Turksat 3A Satellite and the frequencies of the channel is as follows:

Frequency 12.685 MHz
Polarization Horizonal
Symbol Rate 30.000
FEC 5/6

CyBC broadcasts in Turkish for decades.

It is amazing how you think that others should be satisfied with only a fraction of the minimum while for yourselves you demand an overly exaggerated maximum which is in violation of the human and democratic rights of every other Cypriot!

We would gladly accept if you had a lot more than what the Kurds have in Turkey. Like Turkish as an official language of Cyprus, for example. The Kurds would be ecstatic if they got even 1/10th of what you can have in Cyprus. And still you think of your community as being so "special", and you demand yourselves outrageous things.

Which other ethnic community, for example, asked to have its own separate state on land that belongs to another community by over 80%?? Do the TCs understand how totally outrageous such demands are? And do they seriously expect us to accept such demands?

My post was to show that the Kurdish language is not banned as claimed by you a couple of times in this thread. That's all.

The term "Linguicide" was probably coined to describe what the Turks were doing to the Kurdish language ... so "banned" is a rather tame expression under the circumstances.

If there has been a temporary lifting of these linguistic genocidal policies, it is 100% because of pressure from the EU (if a TV soap opera can be described as "lifting" ) ...

Tuesday, 21 November, 2000, 19:15 GMT

Kurdish broadcast ban under pressure

Bad reception: refugees tune in to banned broadcasts

Turkey's ban on Kurdish-language broadcasts may soon be lifted following pressure from the European Union on Ankara for cultural reforms to meet EU membership criteria. Prime Minister Bulent Ecevit said this month that Turkey would "sooner or later" have to consider allowing Kurdish broadcasts.

[Piratis]

Who had the last laugh?

You think you had the last laugh? Firstly nothing is over (and it will not be, until we are done with yet another foreign invader), and secondly I often hear you crying about embargoes and all the consequences of your illegalities against us.

[Piratis]

The Turkish State TV (TRT) has started broadcasting in Kurdish, so maybe the language is not as banned as some might think.

TRT 6 started to broadcast from the Turksat 3A Satellite and the frequencies of the channel is as follows:

Frequency 12.685 MHz
Polarization Horizonal
Symbol Rate 30.000
FEC 5/6

CyBC broadcasts in Turkish for decades.

It is amazing how you think that others should be satisfied with only a fraction of the minimum while for yourselves you demand an overly exaggerated maximum which is in violation of the human and democratic rights of every other Cypriot!

We would gladly accept if you had a lot more than what the Kurds have in Turkey. Like Turkish as an official language of Cyprus, for example. The Kurds would be ecstatic if they got even 1/10th of what you can have in Cyprus. And still you think of your community as being so "special", and you demand yourselves outrageous things.

Which other ethnic community, for example, asked to have its own separate state on land that belongs to another community by over 80%?? Do the TCs understand how totally outrageous such demands are? And do they seriously expect us to accept such demands?

My post was to show that the Kurdish language is not banned as claimed by you a couple of times in this thread. That's all.

Here is the answer:

The policy of Republican Turkey since its establishment in 1923, is a typical case of what has been called "linguicide" or "linguistic genocide" (cf. below). Replacing the loosely integrated Ottoman state, Republican Turkey was established as a highly centralized, secular and westernized nation-state based on Turkish ethnic identity. The practice of centralization and Turkisfication led to a number of Kurdish revolts (in 1925, 1927-31, 1930-38) which were severely repressed (cf. Jwaideh 1960:593-640).

Policy on the Kurdish language was based on a more general and long-term aim of changing the ethnic composition of the Kurds, who formed the most numerous and densely populated non-Turkish people in the country. To achieve this end, the Turkish government deported hundreds of thousands of people from Kurdistan to Turkish-inhabited regions of the country, conducted mass executions after each revolt, the resettled Turkish immigrants from Europe in the Kurdish areas in the 1920s-1940s (documentation is available in Rambout 1947; Kenda 1980a:58-68; Bedr Khan 1928). By the late 1930s, all the Kurdish provinces were effectively controlled by the military who, established a police post in every village of some size (van Bruinessen 1984:8).

Forcing the Kurds to abondon their language and become native speakers of Turkish is the primary goal of the language policy. Various methods have been used in the past seven decades to eliminate the Kurdish language.

A. Proscription of the Spoken Use of Kurdish. The ban on spoken language in public places, government offices and schools was easy to enforce. In the earlier decades, special government officials were charged with enforcing the ban in urban centers. It is known, for example, that even the peasants who brought their supplies to the urban market were liable to a fine of five piasters for every Kurdish words they uttered. A sheep was worth fifty piasters at the time (Kendal 1980a:83).

http://www.cogsci.ed.ac.uk/~siamakr/Kur ... olicy.html

And as Oracle said, the recent changes was due to EU, but are still too few.

For years, Kurdish language instructor Aydin Unesi had to teach clandestinely throughout this city in Turkey's southeast region, home to the majority of the country's 14 million Kurds. But on April 1, 2004, he found himself presiding over the much-heralded opening of the first official private Kurdish language school here.

"We felt this was the moment, after 80 years of being prohibited, for this language to be permitted," Mr. Unesi says.

The euphoria did not last long. Although the school had a capacity of 480 students for each of its 10-week sessions, it enrolled only a fraction of that number. In early August, it closed with little fanfare, along with seven other Kurdish courses in Istanbul and southeast Turkey.

For the government, which allowed the schools to open as part of a wave of European Union-prodded reforms instituted to strengthen the country's candidacy for membership - under discussion this week in Brussels - the closings are proof that Turkey's Kurds are not really interested in learning their language.

Kurdish language activists counter that the desire to learn Kurdish is there, but it must be taught in public schools - a practice that's still banned.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/1005/p07s02-woeu.html

[YFred]

Who had the last laugh?

You think you had the last laugh? Firstly nothing is over (and it will not be, until we are done with yet another foreign invader), and secondly I often hear you crying about embargoes and all the consequences of your illegalities against us.

You had to be a TC during the broadcasts to appreciate it. There you are claiming that the GC were broadcasting in Turkish. You are just unreal.

What you don't seem to realise dear friend, is that your policies drove TC away from Cyprus from 1963 to this day. But They are being replaced by Turks. So when will you realise it after there is no TC's left.
Carry on.

[Piratis]

Who had the last laugh?

You think you had the last laugh? Firstly nothing is over (and it will not be, until we are done with yet another foreign invader), and secondly I often hear you crying about embargoes and all the consequences of your illegalities against us.

You had to be a TC during the broadcasts to appreciate it. There you are claiming that the GC were broadcasting in Turkish. You are just unreal.

What you don't seem to realise dear friend, is that your policies drove TC away from Cyprus from 1963 to this day. But They are being replaced by Turks. So when will you realise it after there is no TC's left.
Carry on.

What TCs don't realize is that they are in fact just another ethnic minority. They were brainwashed to believe that they are something super special and that they deserve to have more rights and powers than what proportionally belongs to them. And since it sounds nice to be told that you are special, they readily accepted it. Just look at all the lame arguments they give when comparing themselves to the Kurds in Turkey.

In their attempt to get all those unfair gains on our expense as it was promised to them by British and Turks, they created conflicts, something which they have only themselves to blame for.

[YFred]

Who had the last laugh?

You think you had the last laugh? Firstly nothing is over (and it will not be, until we are done with yet another foreign invader), and secondly I often hear you crying about embargoes and all the consequences of your illegalities against us.

You had to be a TC during the broadcasts to appreciate it. There you are claiming that the GC were broadcasting in Turkish. You are just unreal.

What you don't seem to realise dear friend, is that your policies drove TC away from Cyprus from 1963 to this day. But They are being replaced by Turks. So when will you realise it after there is no TC's left.
Carry on.

What TCs don't realize is that they are in fact just another ethnic minority. They were brainwashed to believe that they are something super special and that they deserve to have more rights and powers than what proportionally belongs to them. And since it sounds nice to be told that you are special, they readily accepted it. Just look at all the lame arguments they give when comparing themselves to the Kurds in Turkey.

In their attempt to get all those unfair gains on our expense as it was promised to them by British and Turks, they created conflicts, something which they have only themselves to blame for.

Talk about brainwashing, my god. Talking to you is like talking to a brick wall.

[Piratis]

Who had the last laugh?

You think you had the last laugh? Firstly nothing is over (and it will not be, until we are done with yet another foreign invader), and secondly I often hear you crying about embargoes and all the consequences of your illegalities against us.

You had to be a TC during the broadcasts to appreciate it. There you are claiming that the GC were broadcasting in Turkish. You are just unreal.

What you don't seem to realise dear friend, is that your policies drove TC away from Cyprus from 1963 to this day. But They are being replaced by Turks. So when will you realise it after there is no TC's left.
Carry on.

What TCs don't realize is that they are in fact just another ethnic minority. They were brainwashed to believe that they are something super special and that they deserve to have more rights and powers than what proportionally belongs to them. And since it sounds nice to be told that you are special, they readily accepted it. Just look at all the lame arguments they give when comparing themselves to the Kurds in Turkey.

In their attempt to get all those unfair gains on our expense as it was promised to them by British and Turks, they created conflicts, something which they have only themselves to blame for.

Talk about brainwashing, my god. Talking to you is like talking to a brick wall.

You run out of "arguments" I see.

Why is it so hard for you to admit that the 18% of Turkish minority in Cyprus is just another minority, which was used by the Turks and British, by promising to this minority privileges and disproportionally large powers (and later land as well), in order to turn them against the majority and deny to Cyprus its self-determination?

You are really not "special" Fred. You are not any different than say the Turkish minority of Bulgaria, or any other minority. The only difference is what I describe above. Foreigners granting to you privileges, powers and lands on the expense of every other Cypriot, in order to deny to Cyprus its freedom.

So stop making fool of yourselves by trying to show how "special" you are when compared to the Kurds or other minorities. You are not. Get it?