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[YFred]

"and to add insult to injury also decided that this compensation would be paid NOT by Turkey that actually stole the land, NOT by the future TC component state that would receive it, but by the federal state, which would be funded almost exclusively by GCs."

So we are talking about theft. You can call it fancynames, but in the end it comes down to stealing. In fact it is double stealing when there is money to be paid on top of the land loss.

It does not matter who put it in,

1. RoC as the main beneficiary did not object to this clause, especially as they would have to pay for it.

2. UN holds responsible the RoC for the whole mess.

No?

[YFred]

Alvaro De Sotto and Kofi Anan did, YFred! What is the name written on the plan? Doesn't it say ANAN plan?

That's what Kifeas told you few posts back.!

If you remember, during the last couple of months before the referendum too place that anything that the 2 sides could not agree on, the above two characters had a free hand to write in what ever they wanted on behalf of the GC's and the TC's. By this time, PapaD could not care what was in the AP, because he would go against it, and he did, so it is possible it was put in towards the end. As a matter of fact, Turkey asked recently that the same should be done again this time also, on issues that the 2 sides can't agree on, to let the UN fill in the gabs. Fat chance that will be allowed to happen again as far as the GC's are concerned. As Kifeas said, it was designed to favour the TC's by 4:1 ratio, since that's what the difference was between the GC's and the TC's. The whole AP was a sham, so don't get all worked up about just this 1974 prices issues. There were far worse issues than this one.!

I cannot believe for one moment that the issue of which year to take for property prices was not agreed by the two sides and hence was decided by the UN.
TC side did not insist on the 74 prices, so GC side should have been able to perhaps add the market value to it.

But you hit the nail on the head, when you said Papadobullos could not careless about the negotiations, and there in lies the age old problem, negotiation without good faith, by the same man as the one in 1959.

Is Christofias any different? Is he negotiating in good faith or does he not careless about these negotiations and is going to delay matters as much as possible, that he will be able to use the EU to his advantage and gain some points?

You need to try harder to read and understand what others write and not what you want to hear, YFred. I did not say that PapaD was not interested in negotiating in good faith. I said, about the time when the UN (Kofi) was starting to write parts of the AP on the behalf of the TC's and GC's, shortly before the referendum, was the time he could not careless what was in the AP, because the whole plan was totally lopsided by then, therefore PapaD did the right thing to say OXI, OXI, OXI to the AP.

Did you do your "homework" and read what I asked you to read yet, Perry Anderson's "The Division of Cyprus".?

No I have not unfortunatley. But I am nore interested in who suggested what and Who opposed what. That would be worth reading. Is there such a document? When I find the first then I will read both.

Chicken.!

What the hell does one has to do with the other. The AP is Dead & Buried, so move on will you. Kifeas gave you a good explanation as to who was responsible. The question you need to ask yourself is, who stood to gain more from such a plan. Any ideas, or shall I tell you.?

The GC's had 4 times more property than the TC's, so, it would have been much cheaper to pay off the GC's at 1974 prices than today's (2004) market price with the money the "trnc" did not have. Also, there was some kind of a provision in the AP as I remember, that if the TC spend certain amount of money on the GC property they were occupying, perhaps money spent had to be more than the value of the property in 1974, then the TC can stay in the house and could not be returned back to it's legal GC owner, therefore, a lot of TC's spent money making a lot of improvements or add on another floor to the building, just so to keep the house at dirt cheap price. looking back, money wasted really.!

Has the light come on in your head yet, or shall I continue.?

No,

The lights were switched off in 1963
By the dreaded R O C
Staaaaaaa Naaaaaaaa Theeeeeeeema
To all the T C

These lines should be included in the next years Eurovision song. I’ll start working on the rest soon.

In the meantime I did read that document, and I was aware of most of it
I did learn a few things I wasn't aware though.

[wallace]

"and to add insult to injury also decided that this compensation would be paid NOT by Turkey that actually stole the land, NOT by the future TC component state that would receive it, but by the federal state, which would be funded almost exclusively by GCs."

So we are talking about theft. You can call it fancynames, but in the end it comes down to stealing. In fact it is double stealing when there is money to be paid on top of the land loss.

It does not matter who put it in,

1. RoC as the main beneficiary did not object to this clause, especially as they would have to pay for it.

2. UN holds responsible the RoC for the whole mess.

No?

NO...maybe you should try reading the UN resolutions. You are just common thieves. Nothing else. Committing humanitarian crimes as we speak.

[Kikapu]

Has the light come on in your head yet, or shall I continue.?

No,

The lights were switched off in 1963
By the dreaded R O C
Staaaaaaa Naaaaaaaa Theeeeeeeema
To all the T C

These lines should be included in the next years Eurovision song. I’ll start working on the rest soon.

In the meantime I did read that document, and I was aware of most of it
I did learn a few things I wasn't aware though.

Well done YFred,

On what you learned by reading the article, has it changed your views on anything or do you still believe that the Annan plan should have been accepted by the GC's..?

[Get Real!]

2. UN holds responsible the RoC for the whole mess.

Now where did you get that from barnacle brains? Or did you get upset because we paid a little too much attention to Erman today and neglected you?

[growuptcs]

"and to add insult to injury also decided that this compensation would be paid NOT by Turkey that actually stole the land, NOT by the future TC component state that would receive it, but by the federal state, which would be funded almost exclusively by GCs."

So we are talking about theft. You can call it fancynames, but in the end it comes down to stealing. In fact it is double stealing when there is money to be paid on top of the land loss.

It does not matter who put it in,

1. RoC as the main beneficiary did not object to this clause, especially as they would have to pay for it.

2. UN holds responsible the RoC for the whole mess.

No?

YGuy, your thoughts in your mind develop from contempt. It would be nice to hear from you at any time, say something that would stick in your favor in the court of law instead of resorting to Turkish witchcraft foreign-policy. It's neither positive, nor productive to practice this type of witchcraft anymore.

[Tony-4497]

It does not matter who put it in,

1. RoC as the main beneficiary did not object to this clause, especially as they would have to pay for it.

2. UN holds responsible the RoC for the whole mess.

No?

I am pretty sure that T Pap (representing RoC at the time) objected strongly to the property-related provisions of the Annan plan - this was one of the reasons he called for people to say No.

I am not sure what Christofias's final position will be (I would not be too surprised if he accepts something as stupid and outrageous as this).

That said, any plan will have to go to referendum and I would be shocked if GCs said Yes to a plan that included such provisions (even in the impossible scenario where everything else was "perfect").

Even if the above happened, the whole thing would collapse through petitions of individuals to ECHR.

[YFred]

Has the light come on in your head yet, or shall I continue.?

No,

The lights were switched off in 1963
By the dreaded R O C
Staaaaaaa Naaaaaaaa Theeeeeeeema
To all the T C

These lines should be included in the next years Eurovision song. I’ll start working on the rest soon.

In the meantime I did read that document, and I was aware of most of it
I did learn a few things I wasn't aware though.

Well done YFred,

On what you learned by reading the article, has it changed your views on anything or do you still believe that the Annan plan should have been accepted by the GC's..?

What has that article got to do with the Annan plan?

[YFred]

2. UN holds responsible the RoC for the whole mess.

Now where did you get that from barnacle brains? Or did you get upset because we paid a little too much attention to Erman today and neglected you?

Judging by the content, I would say and English Educated Guesstimate, dear boy.
Any Objections?
Doesn't the guilty party normally get the blame? and Pay the Fine, or have you reverted to living on another Planet again - Uranus.

[YFred]

"and to add insult to injury also decided that this compensation would be paid NOT by Turkey that actually stole the land, NOT by the future TC component state that would receive it, but by the federal state, which would be funded almost exclusively by GCs."

So we are talking about theft. You can call it fancynames, but in the end it comes down to stealing. In fact it is double stealing when there is money to be paid on top of the land loss.

It does not matter who put it in,

1. RoC as the main beneficiary did not object to this clause, especially as they would have to pay for it.

2. UN holds responsible the RoC for the whole mess.

No?

NO...maybe you should try reading the UN resolutions. You are just common thieves. Nothing else. Committing humanitarian crimes as we speak.

First one must find the inhumanity in ones self, then you are entitled to find it in others.
Or are you from GR's Planet 2.