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[Agios Amvrosios]

A General statement is used by many Turkish Cypriots on this forum and else where in an attempt to justify the ethnic cleansing of Greek Cypriots in 1974. I keep coming across this general wide sweeping statement of "the events of 63-74" and other similar variations.

Please let me have the following particulars:
1-(a) how many dead....exact numbers and the source of this information;
(b) a link to a list of the names of the dead;
2-(a) how many missing people.... exact numbers and the source of this information.
(b) a link to a list of the names of the missing;

[LANDJO]

Correct me if I am wrong, but are the TC's not complaining more about continued harrassment than absolute number of killings? The goal was to evict Turks from the island, not to kill them (analogous to Hitler's policy against the Jews). Then why are you asking such skewed questions?

Here is a good source of (admittedly jaundiced) the TC view of history:

http://www.trncwashdc.org/h000.html

The site contains propaganda, sure, but even the jingoists among you can tell me it is worse than http://www.moi.gov.cy...

[Rahmi]

A General statement is used by many Turkish Cypriots on this forum and else where in an attempt to justify the ethnic cleansing of Greek Cypriots in 1974. I keep coming across this general wide sweeping statement of "the events of 63-74" and other similar variations.

Please let me have the following particulars:
1-(a) how many dead....exact numbers and the source of this information;
(b) a link to a list of the names of the dead;
2-(a) how many missing people.... exact numbers and the source of this information.
(b) a link to a list of the names of the missing;

» Turks martyred in 1963
http://www.kibris.gen.tr/english/massac ... _1963.html
» Turks martyred in 1964
http://www.kibris.gen.tr/english/massac ... _1964.html
» Turks martyred between 1965 and 1967
http://www.kibris.gen.tr/english/massac ... _1967.html
» The Murat Aga and Sandallar massacres (1974)
http://www.kibris.gen.tr/english/massac ... ataga.html
» The Atlilar village massacre (1974)
http://www.kibris.gen.tr/english/massac ... lilar.html

[Agios Amvrosios]

Answer the question don't give me Denktashist rhetoric.

If you think that they were harrassed then particularize the harassment - but do not give me rhetorical bullshit.

[Piratis]

AA, TC did have both dead and missing during that period. However our history is not just a decade. TCs emphasize and magnify this tiny period in our history as an excuse to commit even more crimes against us.

They forget the centuries of Ottoman oppression, and now they are trying to use that one decade as an excuse for a long period of crimes against us (already more than 30 years).

[Agios Amvrosios]

"Turks martyred between 1965 and 1967 "

Thats a bit vague... particularize it in detail.

Use of melodramatic words like "matyred" is often used by propagandists.

Piratis ,I'm not disputing that some Turks were killed or went missing but if the Turkish Cypriots on this site are going to say that half a dozen episodes in the 60's where less than 1000 people died amounts to grounds justifying partition, ethnic cleansing of every non turk in the Northern occupied area and then a malakia like the Annan plan or variations then its is just not good enough.

[detailer]

"Turks martyred between 1965 and 1967 "

Thats a bit vague... particularize it in detail.

Use of melodramatic words like "matyred" is often used by propagandists.

Piratis ,I'm not disputing that some Turks were killed or went missing but if the Turkish Cypriots on this site are going to say that half a dozen episodes in the 60's where less than 1000 people died amounts to grounds justifying partition, ethnic cleansing of every non turk in the Northern occupied area and then a malakia like the Annan plan or variations then its is just not good enough.

TC population that time was not more than 100.000. So loss if 1000 is a very big issue here my friend.

But it is not only murders. Let me explain you: Imagine yourself as TC who had a fertile field in that time. If you wanted to do orange farming, you first needed to get a permission from local governor(GC) which was very diffucult. Somehow you managed to sort this out. Then you needed another permission for exporting. It was very diffucult to get that one too...Then you had to sell it to a GC with a low price of course...

You can not find these kind of cleanesing in web sites or something. There was no breathing space for TC those years.

and when it comes to opression of GC by ottomans. I am sorry but you can not compare 18th and 20th century

[Agios Amvrosios]

I see
So are you saying that the way to deal with bureaucratic red tape invloving orange growing rights is mass ethnic cleansing every last non Turk out of Northern Cyprus?These are mere headaches, the EU restricts how many times a week you can shit.

Wouldn't a modern legal system/administrative courts and tribunals/equal opportunity commissions,/ombudsman/rights of appeal to the European Court of Human Rights have been a more sensible european approach.

Raising the events of "63-74' many Turkish Cypriots keep on raising was nothing but a subtefuge designed to allow the Republic of Turkey to get a foot hold in Cyprus to carry out the long planned ethnic cleanisng of every non turk in Cyprus.

[detailer]

I see So are you saying that the way to deal with bureaucratic red tape invloving orange growing rights is mass ethnic cleansing every last non Turk out of Northern Cyprus?These are mere headaches, the EU restricts how many times a week you can shit.

"Orange growing" here is a symbolic example. This was the case for every simple matter between 63-74. Of course that's not cleanesing. That's an invitation to leave the island.

Wouldn't a modern legal system/administrative courts and tribunals/equal opportunity commissions,/ombudsman/rights of appeal to the European Court of Human Rights have been a more sensible european approach.

Stop bullshiting me about these fancy orhganisations in the year 1963. Eurpope had more serious problems that time. They sent some UN force just to prevent some massacre. That's it. Why the hell you don't explain to me why GC administarion was behaving like that and banning TC to buy GC property?

Raising the events of "63-74' many Turkish Cypriots keep on raising was nothing but a subtefuge designed to allow the Republic of Turkey to get a foot hold in Cyprus to carry out the long planned ethnic cleanisng of every non turk in Cyprus.

Are you mad? Do you sincerely think that Turkey can have the intention of cleaning all GC from Cyprus? Can she dare that? Does she have the power? Or are turks such evil?!

You still think that 1000 out of 100000 is not important? What was going to happen with the greek coupe then? Can you imagine?

[gabaston]

Agios

in my mothers village 67 Kopinou

dead = 22 at the hands of 2000 national guard

I can not account for all the island.

thankx