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Postby YFred » Wed Feb 04, 2009 10:52 am

DT. wrote:
YFred wrote:
DT. wrote:Oh goodie this was taken from TCN. Tim's most favourite website in the world.

http://www.tcn-cy.freeuk.com/Akritas.htm :lol:


The website that brings you statements such as this

I am not saying that Greeks are a more cruel or violent people than any other. What I am saying is that their nationalism, because of its religious overtones, has promoted intolerance, aggressiveness and extreme ethnocentrism, and that it has, in areas occupied by Greece, inevitably led to what we today call "ethnic cleansing."

DT, stop clowning. I appreciate that it is not the original. I also appreciate that it is from the biased view of TC's, however, take your time and tell me which bits ar not true.


Sorry Yfred... :oops: SOon as I get 10 minutes I'll go through it.

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Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Feb 04, 2009 11:00 am

DT. wrote:Oh goodie this was taken from TCN. Tim's most favourite website in the world.

http://www.tcn-cy.freeuk.com/Akritas.htm :lol:


The website that brings you statements such as this

I am not saying that Greeks are a more cruel or violent people than any other. What I am saying is that their nationalism, because of its religious overtones, has promoted intolerance, aggressiveness and extreme ethnocentrism, and that it has, in areas occupied by Greece, inevitably led to what we today call "ethnic cleansing."


Pardon?
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Postby YFred » Wed Feb 04, 2009 11:02 am

Tim Drayton wrote:
DT. wrote:Oh goodie this was taken from TCN. Tim's most favourite website in the world.

http://www.tcn-cy.freeuk.com/Akritas.htm :lol:


The website that brings you statements such as this

I am not saying that Greeks are a more cruel or violent people than any other. What I am saying is that their nationalism, because of its religious overtones, has promoted intolerance, aggressiveness and extreme ethnocentrism, and that it has, in areas occupied by Greece, inevitably led to what we today call "ethnic cleansing."


Pardon?

Tim your comments would be appreciated.
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Postby zan » Wed Feb 04, 2009 11:07 am

The Coup of 1974 (Against Makarios) is a Consequence of the Akritas Plan
"The Democrats (Disi Party) avoid mentioning that the first coup was planned and implemented according to the notorious Akritas Plan. The Akritas Plan which was published on 21 April 1966 and the first coup, which was implemented in accordance with this plan, was prepared by Makarios III. In the preparation of this conspiratorial coup Makarios was assisted by his collaborators. The objective of this conspiracy was to destroy the constitutional order by the use of force. I must admit that had I been, at the time, one of the proponents of the Akritas Plan, I would still have criticized it: When coups are successful, they become a "Revolution"; it is when they are unsuccessful that they are branded as coups. Had the coup planned in conformity with the Akritas Plan been successful we would be exalting it today. The Akritas Plan was not simply a failure, it also led the way to partition.
But whilst everybody is talking freely about the coup of 1974, no one dares speak about the coup which was a consequence of the Akritas Plan. Any one daring to do so runs the risk of being muffled. However in self criticism of ourselves, we have to accept that the Akritas Plan not only did open the way to partition of the island but it also caused the collapse of the (1960) Republic of Cyprus. Refraining from self criticism will not enable us to save ourselves. Furthermore we shall not be able to avoid de-facto partition. Let us not forget that even the Financial Times is currently describing partition as "probably the best solution".
Alekos Constantinides, Alithia (Greek Cypriot Daily) 14.12.1985
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Re: Akritas Plan

Postby Get Real! » Wed Feb 04, 2009 11:08 am

YFred wrote:AKRITAS PLAN

Had you bothered to do a simple search you would’ve found another 20 odd threads by the same name but instead you think you’re very smart by coming up with something we don’t already know about! :roll:

On top of that, you are clueless to the fact that there are at least TWO versions of the alleged Akritas plan, and you have stupidly posted the Turkish Cypriot version that unashamedly omits FIVE SECTIONS that destroys TC claims with the word “Omitted”!!!

YFred wrote: (iii) Omitted

YFred wrote: (passage omitted)

YFred wrote:Tactic to be followed: (Omitted)

YFred wrote: (section omitted)

YFred wrote:3. (Omitted)


Making an idiot of yourself has become a recurring theme…

Get OFF the CyProb loser!
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Postby denizaksulu » Wed Feb 04, 2009 11:09 am

Piratis wrote:
YFred wrote:Can you confirm at least that such a plan exists and that the aforementioned people were involved or is it a total fabrication?


The document exists, if it didn't exist how would you copy and paste it here?

Beyond that, who wrote it and when is something we don't know.

What we know is that in 1957 (long before any "Akritas plan"), the TC leader Fazil Kuchuk published "The Cyprus Question: A Permanent Solution", a document where he advocated the extermination of Greek Cypriots from the north part of Cyprus, in order to artificially create some Turkish state on the land stolen from us.

The fact is that although Cypriots had suffered a lot under the Turks for centuries, after the Ottoman rule ended, we forgave the Turks and we lived together in peace.

However in the 1950s while the Cypriot people had revolted against the new foreign ruler, the British, the Turks decided to attack us again in an attempt to deny again the self-determination rights from the Cypriot people.

This is what happened. The British and Turks collaborated and attacked the Cypriot people, and later forced on them the 1960 "agreements", and as the "Akrtitas plan" says, those agreements: "it was signed under pressure and without real negotiations and that it was imposed under various threats. "

The "Akritas plan" had only one aim: for the Cypriot people to gain back their self-determination rights which have been denied to them by the foreign invaders. There is nothing about "genocide" or anything else, and this is purely Turkish imagination and propaganda.

So we don't know who wrote the "Akritas Plan" but it could be just about any Cypriot, because all of us felt the injustice that our self-determination right was denied to us, and then we were forced and blackmailed to accept a constitution that was written by foreigners, and served the interests of those foreigners, and not the interests of the Cypriot people.



Where are your credible evidence regarding to Dr. Fazil Kutchuk. I do not remember such a statement. You make it sound rather sinister. He was after a negotiated 'Partition'.
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Postby zan » Wed Feb 04, 2009 11:10 am

the full text of the Akritas Plan has been
published as United Nations document A/33/115-S/12722 of 30 May 1978)
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Postby YFred » Wed Feb 04, 2009 11:12 am

zan wrote:the full text of the Akritas Plan has been
published as United Nations document A/33/115-S/12722 of 30 May 1978)

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Postby Get Real! » Wed Feb 04, 2009 11:14 am

zan wrote:the full text of the Akritas Plan has been
published as United Nations document A/33/115-S/12722 of 30 May 1978)

Zan is salivating again... be careful not to get your knickers in a twist Zanny before declaring that the UN "published it"... READ AGAIN!
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Postby YFred » Wed Feb 04, 2009 11:22 am

Get Real! wrote:
zan wrote:the full text of the Akritas Plan has been
published as United Nations document A/33/115-S/12722 of 30 May 1978)

Zan is salivating again... be careful not to get your knickers in a twist Zanny before declaring that the UN "published it"... READ AGAIN!

All evidence, must be considered, so long as its connected.
Perhaps you can furnish us with the original, is that too painful to consider.
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