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Property in N. Cyprus owned by Greek Cypriot

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby YFred » Tue Feb 03, 2009 10:39 pm

Kikapu wrote:
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RAFAELLA wrote:
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RAFAELLA wrote:You do not negotiate with the thief for something that is rightfully and lawfully yours.

With that mentality, Cyprus problem can be solved in 1 hour flat madam.


Excactly.
The mentality of the thief, though, is different.


Is that 1 earth hour or 1 Uranus hour?

Talking of Thiefs, didn't GC goverment offer the TC who owns part of Larnaca Airport 20,000 pounds - You will find thats exactly the formula the TRNC property commision is using. Whats the old saying - whats good for the goose is good for the gander dearest.


What year was that offer made, YFred, the 20,000 (Cyprus Pounds) and for how much land are we talking about.? Did anyone tell you, that property prices on the average go up, so that what was sold yesterday may be less than if it was sold today. I know the Annan Plan had it, that the GC's would be paid in 1974 prices for their land in the north, which would have been peanuts to what they are worth today, and who was going to benefit from the difference, not the legal owner of the property, but the illegal "owner".

This is the report regarding Larnaca airport. There is another report about how much he was offered. See how GC government treated his claim. Confirms my other comment.

This man owns Larnaca Airport
By Simon Bahceli
(archive article - Saturday, June 4, 2005)
IN A NEW twist to the ongoing property dispute, a Turkish Cypriot yesterday claimed ownership of a large portion of the land on which Larnaca airport is built and said he would be seeking up to £100 million worth of compensation, plus restitution of his lands.

Huseyin Helvacioglu, a refugee from Larnaca now living in Kyrenia, told the bi-communal weekly publication Dialogue, “They built Larnaca airport without my permission.

“Now I hear they are entering a second stage of building. I won’t let this happen. The land belongs to my brother and myself, and we want it back”.

It was unclear yesterday whether Helvacioglu had applied to begin legal proceedings against the Republic, but if he does, he will become the first Turkish Cypriot living in the north to seek compensation for properties expropriated by the state.

Helvacioglu’s claim comes in the wake of what is seen in the north as a legal onslaught against those who have invested in abandoned Greek Cypriot properties in the north.

Indeed, Helvacioglu’s statement warned yesterday that it was because of the flurry of lawsuits brought by Greek Cypriots that he had decided to go public about what he termed “illegal expropriation by the state”.

“For years we waited patiently for the property issue to be resolved through a settlement. But that didn’t happen, and now through individual cases they are taking Turkish Cypriots to court,” he said.

He added: “[Titina] Loizidou received one million dollars for her house in Kyrenia whereas, in the place where Larnaca airport was built, I have 92 donums of land right by the sea. Even if I was to get £100 million in compensation…it still wouldn’t be enough”.

Helvaciolglu said he was unaware his lands had been expropriated by the Cyprus government until after April 2003 when crossing were opened between the Greek and Turkish Cypriot communities for the first time in decades.

“After the checkpoints opened, I went to visit my land and I was shocked. I was angry, but decided it would be appropriate to wait for a while. Then I found out the Greek Cypriot side had agreed with a French company to carry out the building for the second stage of the airport on a ‘build-operate-transfer’ basis. I want to ask them whose property they are transferring.

“As the land owner, without my knowledge and approval, there can be no bargaining over my land. This is contrary to my human rights and I am warning them: The moment they put even one nail onto my land, they will find themselves in court”.

Lawyer and former legal advisor for the guardian of Turkish Cypriot properties Harris Kyriakides told the Cyprus Mail yesterday some Turkish Cypriots had never been compensated for lands and buildings that had since 1974 been expropriated by the government.

“There are procedures whereby people have to be notified if their property is to be expropriated. But in 1991, when the guardian of Turkish Cypriot properties law was passed, the guardian could then accept appropriations on behalf of Turkish Cypriots.

“The argument was that Turkish Cypriots living in the north could not be contacted, and were not allowed by the north’s regime to cross to the south. In some cases money was deposited on behalf of Turkish Cypriots, but in other cases the requisition process was not finalised, and no money was paid”.

Kyriakides said Turkish Cypriots who never received compensation for lands now being used for government projects should claim compensation from the state.

“Unless he [Helvacioglu] takes the government to court, he will not get any compensation until after a settlement,” he advised.

Sources in the north said yesterday Helvacioglu had earlier applied for compensation for his land from the Republic, but that had received no reply.

Kyriakides said yesterday he believed it was time the guardian law was dropped as freedom of movement between the two communities allowed Turkish Cypriots to be notified if their properties were to be expropriated for such projects.



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Postby Oracle » Tue Feb 03, 2009 10:41 pm

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Oracle wrote:My father waved aside any compensation for expropriated land, used for a Dam.

But I guess the lesson we have learnt, is that most TCs are just greedy ....


Expropriation without the owners being informed or compensation is legalised theft. Nothing more nothing less. This from the recognised GC government who objects to lands in the north being used on account of being stolen, but allows tourists to land on TC land. I would accuse you of being total hypocrites, but I want, because it would be an insult to hypocrites to be included in such a category, dearest.


Legalised theft ... look who is talking :lol:

If the Turk-TCs were available they would have been informed ... if they go incommunicado ( to avoid responsibility) what is one to do?

Either way they have proved to be thieving, greedy scoundrels ....

Invade our island, cause suffering then want compensation :shock: ... get lost!
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Postby YFred » Tue Feb 03, 2009 10:43 pm

Here is the other.

Minister hits back over airport land claim
By Elias Hazou
(archive article - Sunday, June 5, 2005)
INTERIOR Minister Andreas Christou has dismissed a Turkish Cypriot’s claims to ownership of a large portion of the land on which Larnaca airport is built.

Huseyin Helvacioglu, a refugee from Larnaca now living in Kyrenia, told the bi-communal weekly publication Dialogue that the land, belonging to himself and his brother, had been expropriated and now he wanted it back.

Information is sketchy as to whether Helvacioglu has initiated legal proceedings against the Republic. But assuming he does, he will be the first Turkish Cypriot living in the north to seek compensation for properties requisitioned by the state.

Helvacioglu, seen outside Larnaca airport with his title deeds in hand, said the government built the premises without his permission.

His challenge comes in the wake of a string of lawsuits by Greek Cypriots against persons using their property in the occupied areas. Helvacioglu freely admitted that it was because of these actions that he had decided to go public about what he termed “illegal expropriation by the state”.

He is seeking £100 million in compensation for unauthorized exploitation of his property, citing the landmark case of Greek Cypriot Titina Loizidou who was awarded one million dollars for her house in Kyrenia.

But Interior Minister Andreas Christou, though confirming Helvacioglu’s demands, downplayed the possibility of the case going to court in the Republic, and ruled out any compensation before a settlement of the political issue on the island.

Moreover, Christou disputed the evidence presented by the Turkish Cypriot man, saying that the government had only expropriated 3,100 square meters of the total 110,000 square meters of land belonging to Helvacioglu.

According to Christou, who in his capacity as Interior Minister also acts as the Guardian of Turkish Cypriot properties in the south, the 1974 value of the land was £22,000; so the compensation, if awarded, would be that amount plus accrued interest.

The Guardian was set up in 1991 to accept expropriations on behalf of Turkish Cypriots. The main argument at the time was that Turkish Cypriots living in the north could not be contacted and were not allowed by the north’s regime to cross over to the south.

But with the opening of the checkpoints since April 2003 that line of reasoning has been called into question. The government says, however, that restitution and compensation can be implemented with a far-reaching and consensual exchange of properties, which can only be brought about with a solution to the Cyprus problem.

Christou further said that compensation was determined by the Land Registry department and then deposited into the Guardian’s fund, to be collected by the claimant after reunification. If the claimant did not agree with the sum awarded, he could then contest this in court.

A landmark case last year, involving the return of a house to Turkish Cypriot Arif Mustafa, was put on hold when the Supreme Court suspended an initial order to return the property to its original owner. Though the court accepted Mustafa’s claim as rightful, it postponed execution of the order when the Attorney-general appealed the decision. The issue had deep political undertones, as the house is currently used by Greek Cypriot refugees.

Unofficial figures show that around 12 to 13 per cent of land in the south belongs to Turkish Cypriots, most of whom now live in the north while others have emigrated.

Fears of a wave of similar claims by Turkish Cypriots have not materialised, although plaintiffs could take recourse to the European Court of Human Rights if their demands are not satisfied by the Republic.



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Postby YFred » Tue Feb 03, 2009 10:44 pm

Yes dearest.

You have to do better than that.

Refuse an agreement on grounds of unfairness, and offer the axact same to one of your Citizens. Zan was right about ROC.

Ohps, I forgot, we were the step-citizens. get it?
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Postby Oracle » Tue Feb 03, 2009 10:47 pm

As I said ... greedy, self-interested TCs ... the scourge of Cyprus!

Can the Turkish troops take some back to Turkey on their way out?
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Postby YFred » Tue Feb 03, 2009 10:52 pm

Oracle wrote:As I said ... greedy, self-interested TCs ... the scourge of Cyprus!

Can the Turkish troops take some back to Turkey on their way out?

Just replace the TC with GC in the first line and you will find the root cause of the 63, dearest. Nevermind what others say.
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Postby Oracle » Tue Feb 03, 2009 10:57 pm

YFred wrote:
Oracle wrote:As I said ... greedy, self-interested TCs ... the scourge of Cyprus!

Can the Turkish troops take some back to Turkey on their way out?

Just replace the TC with GC in the first line and you will find the root cause of the 63, dearest. Nevermind what others say.


Oh yes ... 1963 ... the year you showed the height of your stupidity and utmost GREED! :lol:

Crawl back in your shell you self-satisfying gastropod.

If you want to live in Cyprus, live by modern democratic rules or prepare to be annihilated by natural forces ....
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Postby Get Real! » Tue Feb 03, 2009 11:04 pm

YFred wrote:This man owns Larnaca Airport
By Simon Bahceli

This article was written in 2005 but three years on, we now know that the man actually owns a little insignificant and abandoned corner of Larnaca airport! :lol:
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Postby YFred » Tue Feb 03, 2009 11:09 pm

Get Real! wrote:
YFred wrote:This man owns Larnaca Airport
By Simon Bahceli

This article was written in 2005 but three years on, we now know that the man actually owns a little insignificant and abandoned corner of Larnaca airport! :lol:

Do we indeed sir, or should I say, your lowness. You are not connected tomy aunty liz in any way.
Is this by one of your records from the GC land registry which was never doctored. It is as is from 1571. You theiving git.
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Postby YFred » Tue Feb 03, 2009 11:12 pm

Oracle wrote:
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Oracle wrote:As I said ... greedy, self-interested TCs ... the scourge of Cyprus!

Can the Turkish troops take some back to Turkey on their way out?

Just replace the TC with GC in the first line and you will find the root cause of the 63, dearest. Nevermind what others say.


Oh yes ... 1963 ... the year you showed the height of your stupidity and utmost GREED! :lol:

Crawl back in your shell you self-satisfying gastropod.

If you want to live in Cyprus, live by modern democratic rules or prepare to be annihilated by natural forces ....


It couldn't have been that high, I was 5 years old, and I was short as child, being from the linobambaki tribe, then I became a TC and grew taller.
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