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[insan]

What gets my goat are those seeing an ideal as an option in the complicated Cyprus problem.....No one should lose and no one should gain is an impossibility. Compromise and restraint is what is needed....Not Idealistic rants that only help to fuel the anger.

This is 2009, and here we are often talking about democracy yet you still go on about segregationist percentages and that… how do you differ from the people of the past?

You call the Cyprus problem “complicated”… well you’re damn right it’s complicated if some insist on favoritism and reject a fare & square democracy.

In 1960, favoritism was granted to the Turkish Cypriots without the consent of the Greek Cypriots via a democratic referendum, and what did you gain from it? Violence!

In 2009, what are your leaders aiming for? Favoritism again! So what have they learned from the past? NOTHING!

What u ignorantly call "favouritism" is officially known as "consociationalism".

Did you notice that they all ignored that last time you mentioned it!!!

Go ahead and give it a fancy name you can’t pronounce for all the difference it’ll make…

“Cyprus symbolized the most extreme case of consociationalism’s complete failure as the remedy for a thoroughly divided society. The Cypriot consociational experiment begun with the 1960 constitution introduced a very rigid formula for achieving a delicate balance between the two groups’ desires: the majority Greek Cypriot preference for a unitary state and the minority Turkish Cypriot demands for recognition as a separate political entity. Although making up only 20% of the population, the Turkish inhabitants of Cyprus were given prime status as one of the state’s two communities.”

http://www.balkanalysis.com/2004/02/17/ ... macedonia/

It failed completely because the ultra-nationalist elements within the GC community and Greece exerted extremely to make it fail.

Strange then that the GC and TC Missaouli and Kavazogilou who represented bi-communal friendship were assasinated by the TMT. Judging by your post above you'd think the TMT was a left-wing tree hugging society dedicated to peace and organic washing up liquid.

Kavazoglu "assassinated" by Enosists, before he was assassinated by TMT.

AKEL’s Enosis Policy and the Kavazoglu Tragedy
Although Dervis Ali Kavazoglu fought with all his might for ‘the cause’ despite difficulties, he was deeply sorry for the events that took place in 1964. The reason was not just the bloodshed between the two communities but also that AKEL, the party that he was a proud member of, had decided to return to their Enosis policy, which drove him to take a stand of political solidarity. AKEL had indeed returned to their Enosis policy in 1964, leaving their 1960 “completion of Independence” policy. Kavazoglu had objected to division all his life and he even put his life at stake in order to defend his cause. Now, especially after the establishment of the independent Republic of Cyprus, it was unacceptable to him that the Party had once again gone back to Enosis. His disappointment is obvious in the lines written by Vanezos. In a speech about the fighting in Erenkoy/Mansura made by Hambis Michaelides, a member of the Central Committee, he said “The blood of the Greek Cypriots and their Greek brethren got mixed up in Mansura,” which caused Kavazoglu deep sorrow. When talking about this incident with Vanezos, Kavazoglu, with his head between his hands, could not help but ask: “Then why am I fighting this war?”
He held the leaders of the two communities responsible for the events of 1963-64 and he knew very well that it was difficult to live in peace on an island where blood had been shed. He also knew well that the Enosis policy of the Greek Cypriot Leadership was nothing more than supporting the idea of division. His expectations from AKEL were deep regarding this very issue. Tell the Greek Cypriot community the truth and drive them away from the Enosis policy! Otherwise he felt that the future of the Republic of Cyprus would be very dark.

Unfortunately AKEL’s attitude did not meet Kavazoglu’s expectations as the Party insisted on its own self-determination/Enosis decision and whilst doing so left Dervis Ali in a difficult situation. What Kavazoglu said to Vanezos makes clear the tragic situation that he had been dragged into: “Vanezos, I will carry on with this fight as I have been doing so up until this moment. (...) However AKEL’s Enosis policy is not helping me the least bit and puts me in a difficult situation. (...) How can I help build a Turkish-Greek Cypriot friendship as a member of AKEL? What can I say to the Turkish Cypriots that have cooperated with me about the AKEL Enosis policy, what will I say?” These lines clearly explain the tragic situation that Kavazoglu found himself trapped in.

AKEL Enosis self-criticism
Kavazoglu’s predictions were verified by political events in the days to follow when his party AKEL finally had to accept his prophecy regarding the issue, but, unfortunately their ‘apology’ came 25 years too late. AKEL made an announcement of self-criticism on January 27, 1990 - exactly 25 years after the Kavazoglu assassination – when it admitted that pursuing their Enosis policy during the years 1964-1967 was a “mistake”.
So, you see AKEL officially accepted Dervis Ali Kavazoglu’s words said in the beginning of the 60s twenty-five years later in 1990.

http://www.observercyprus.com/observer/ ... px?id=2771

When it concerns abt politics; never trust a Hellene.

Who assissinated them? TMT
Why did TMT assassinate them? Lets see if you can answer that one? Was it cause they were a threat to the TC's and TMT killed these 2 men in self defense?

DT, don't pretend like u didn't read the above quotation taken from one of N. Kizilyurek's article that reveals all aspects of assassination of Kavazoglu. Kavazoglu was among Akelites for the strugle of independence of Cyprus till Akel switched their policy from "completion of independence" to "enosis/self determination". Akel changed it's policy and returned to pursue Enosis; "assassinated" Kavazoglu. In this case he had became a liar in eyes of left winger/moderate TCs who were ready to follow Kavazoglu's path to struggle against partitionists of both sides. Under the then circumstances, he could neither join Enosists nor Taksimists. He had been left alone, although he kept struggling for an independent Cyprus with some of his friends; he was an Enosisist/traitor TC in the eyes of rulers of TMT.

[halil]

The did indeed give their lives for us Fred. All that we have to give is a little empathy and understanding of each others fears and concerns for the future . We start by working to promote our one common denominator and that it is that we all Cypriots and that we all consider Cyprus as our motherland.

Milt,

Let me put this to you. see what you think.

Between you and me we are going to have an agreement. We will start living together. But if I start to kick the shit out of you, that person over there must have no right to come and help you.

Put simply, if GC' have no intention of agreeing on the Turkish Guaranty, why are they sitting at the negotiating table.

From personal experience, I can tell you that if the Guaranty is removed, the vote of the TC's will be 98% against. If not, than if the GC will also refuse with guaranty of turkey then the current talks are total waste of time even talking.

Legalistically speaking, and I am not a lawyer. The Guaranty was between 3 countries, and can only be removed if all three want it.
How on earth do you expect to convince the turks to remove it.
You have a better chance of walking to the moon than doing that.

As a moderate and a true Cypriot that I'm this is how I see Turkeys role as a guarantor. NIL AND VOID.
Almost 35 years ago she exercised her guarantor rights by invading Cyprus , ethnically cleansing some 200 thousand Cypriots from their ancestral homes , set about changing the demographics by installing more than 200 thousand settlers , acts which were not compatible with her status as a guarantor power for Cyprus's independence and territorial integrity. Can you really see the populace at large agreeing to this third world nation THAT HEADS THE LIST OF VIOLATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS , renewing her guarantor status which she so flagrantly abused ?
Common sense has to prevail if a solution is to be worked out.
Turkey in 1974 should have carried out the duties as per her guarantor status NOT BECOME AN OCCUPYING POWER ..

Dear Miltiades ,
Problem is how u can convince the TURKISH CYPRRİOTS that we don't need Turkey's guarantees ?
Nothing to do if Turkey is third world country or not .
Our problem it is not the only problem of the 200 000 GC's population displacement . (official figures for exchange population is 165000 GC and 35000 TC's) Cyprus problem did not started with properties problem dear Miltiades. we have to examine very well . how the ROC break down from beginning of the 63's . How the world ,UN,EU or others can convince the Turkish Cypriots fears Miltiades that is what the our people are talking everyday in their homes or at every occasions . People are in the north does not thinking as u thinking my dear friend . u can find people thinking like u not more than 1000-2000 in whole population of the North . These numbers must give u lots of thinking my friend .

[miltiades]

The did indeed give their lives for us Fred. All that we have to give is a little empathy and understanding of each others fears and concerns for the future . We start by working to promote our one common denominator and that it is that we all Cypriots and that we all consider Cyprus as our motherland.

Milt,

Let me put this to you. see what you think.

Between you and me we are going to have an agreement. We will start living together. But if I start to kick the shit out of you, that person over there must have no right to come and help you.

Put simply, if GC' have no intention of agreeing on the Turkish Guaranty, why are they sitting at the negotiating table.

From personal experience, I can tell you that if the Guaranty is removed, the vote of the TC's will be 98% against. If not, than if the GC will also refuse with guaranty of turkey then the current talks are total waste of time even talking.

Legalistically speaking, and I am not a lawyer. The Guaranty was between 3 countries, and can only be removed if all three want it.
How on earth do you expect to convince the turks to remove it.
You have a better chance of walking to the moon than doing that.

As a moderate and a true Cypriot that I'm this is how I see Turkeys role as a guarantor. NIL AND VOID.
Almost 35 years ago she exercised her guarantor rights by invading Cyprus , ethnically cleansing some 200 thousand Cypriots from their ancestral homes , set about changing the demographics by installing more than 200 thousand settlers , acts which were not compatible with her status as a guarantor power for Cyprus's independence and territorial integrity. Can you really see the populace at large agreeing to this third world nation THAT HEADS THE LIST OF VIOLATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS , renewing her guarantor status which she so flagrantly abused ?
Common sense has to prevail if a solution is to be worked out.
Turkey in 1974 should have carried out the duties as per her guarantor status NOT BECOME AN OCCUPYING POWER ..

Dear Miltiades ,
Problem is how u can convince the TURKISH CYPRRİOTS that we don't need Turkey's guarantees ?
Nothing to do if Turkey is third world country or not .
Our problem it is not the only problem of the 200 000 GC's population displacement . (official figures for exchange population is 165000 GC and 35000 TC's) Cyprus problem did not started with properties problem dear Miltiades. we have to examine very well . how the ROC break down from beginning of the 63's . How the world ,UN,EU or others can convince the Turkish Cypriots fears Miltiades that is what the our people are talking everyday in their homes or at every occasions . People are in the north does not thinking as u thinking my dear friend . u can find people thinking like u not more than 1000-2000 in whole population of the North . These numbers must give u lots of thinking my friend .

The figure that I mentioned of 200 thousand is correct , since when I say Cypriots I mean all Cypriots.
Halil you are aware that there are many many T/Cs both in Cyprus and overseas who share my views , who do not consider themselves as a part of a minority but see themselves as Cypriots first. The Turkish Cypriots must have their fears addressed but by doing so you must not instill feat in the overwhelming majority of Cypriots who view Turkey as an occupying power. The Cypriot authorities must address these very real issues head on . On this forum alone Halil there are more than 10 T/Cs who also share my views.
The stumbling block to the negotiating process , the biggest one , is the insistence that the nation that has reneged on its guarantor conditions in the past is now demanding a new guarantor status. It will not be accepted , and you can see why . You can not possibly have an occupying power , which is how the International community view Turkey along with the vast majority of Cypriots , as a guarantor power .

[halil]

The did indeed give their lives for us Fred. All that we have to give is a little empathy and understanding of each others fears and concerns for the future . We start by working to promote our one common denominator and that it is that we all Cypriots and that we all consider Cyprus as our motherland.

Milt,

Let me put this to you. see what you think.

Between you and me we are going to have an agreement. We will start living together. But if I start to kick the shit out of you, that person over there must have no right to come and help you.

Put simply, if GC' have no intention of agreeing on the Turkish Guaranty, why are they sitting at the negotiating table.

From personal experience, I can tell you that if the Guaranty is removed, the vote of the TC's will be 98% against. If not, than if the GC will also refuse with guaranty of turkey then the current talks are total waste of time even talking.

Legalistically speaking, and I am not a lawyer. The Guaranty was between 3 countries, and can only be removed if all three want it.
How on earth do you expect to convince the turks to remove it.
You have a better chance of walking to the moon than doing that.

As a moderate and a true Cypriot that I'm this is how I see Turkeys role as a guarantor. NIL AND VOID.
Almost 35 years ago she exercised her guarantor rights by invading Cyprus , ethnically cleansing some 200 thousand Cypriots from their ancestral homes , set about changing the demographics by installing more than 200 thousand settlers , acts which were not compatible with her status as a guarantor power for Cyprus's independence and territorial integrity. Can you really see the populace at large agreeing to this third world nation THAT HEADS THE LIST OF VIOLATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS , renewing her guarantor status which she so flagrantly abused ?
Common sense has to prevail if a solution is to be worked out.
Turkey in 1974 should have carried out the duties as per her guarantor status NOT BECOME AN OCCUPYING POWER ..

Dear Miltiades ,
Problem is how u can convince the TURKISH CYPRRİOTS that we don't need Turkey's guarantees ?
Nothing to do if Turkey is third world country or not .
Our problem it is not the only problem of the 200 000 GC's population displacement . (official figures for exchange population is 165000 GC and 35000 TC's) Cyprus problem did not started with properties problem dear Miltiades. we have to examine very well . how the ROC break down from beginning of the 63's . How the world ,UN,EU or others can convince the Turkish Cypriots fears Miltiades that is what the our people are talking everyday in their homes or at every occasions . People are in the north does not thinking as u thinking my dear friend . u can find people thinking like u not more than 1000-2000 in whole population of the North . These numbers must give u lots of thinking my friend .

The figure that I mentioned of 200 thousand is correct , since when I say Cypriots I mean all Cypriots.
Halil you are aware that there are many many T/Cs both in Cyprus and overseas who share my views , who do not consider themselves as a part of a minority but see themselves as Cypriots first. The Turkish Cypriots must have their fears addressed but by doing so you must not instill feat in the overwhelming majority of Cypriots who view Turkey as an occupying power. The Cypriot authorities must address these very real issues head on . On this forum alone Halil there are more than 10 T/Cs who also share my views.
The stumbling block to the negotiating process , the biggest one , is the insistence that the nation that has reneged on its guarantor conditions in the past is now demanding a new guarantor status. It will not be accepted , and you can see why . You can not possibly have an occupying power , which is how the International community view Turkey along with the vast majority of Cypriots , as a guarantor power .

Miltiades in April we can have election in North .We will see the results together . For the TC's it is not important what the rest of the world calls to Turkey about their presence in island . For them important one is how they sees the Turkey in Cyprus and these views of the TC's always shows its effects in the elections and also it will show in the future referendum .

People are after the true bi-zonal - bi-communal solution in north Miltiades. They wants very clearly every site must be strongly control only their own zone under the federal goverment umberalla . Even some of them wants in northern zone must not be any GC's . I don't have much idea about this group how strong their . But i can tell u only the group who are thinking like are not more . Lets and see them what they will be in the next election .Watch out the results of the BKP ,YBH

u can get information for YBH from below link. at 2005 they did not attend the electiones .
http://www.ykp.org.cy/index_ana.htm

from blow link 2005 election results.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_C ... tion,_2005

from the presential election results also u can find how right i am .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_C ... tion,_2005

whatch out the votes for Zehra Cengiz and Zeki Beşiktepeli their ideas might be closest to your points.

[YFred]

The did indeed give their lives for us Fred. All that we have to give is a little empathy and understanding of each others fears and concerns for the future . We start by working to promote our one common denominator and that it is that we all Cypriots and that we all consider Cyprus as our motherland.

Milt,

Let me put this to you. see what you think.

Between you and me we are going to have an agreement. We will start living together. But if I start to kick the shit out of you, that person over there must have no right to come and help you.

Put simply, if GC' have no intention of agreeing on the Turkish Guaranty, why are they sitting at the negotiating table.

From personal experience, I can tell you that if the Guaranty is removed, the vote of the TC's will be 98% against. If not, than if the GC will also refuse with guaranty of turkey then the current talks are total waste of time even talking.

Legalistically speaking, and I am not a lawyer. The Guaranty was between 3 countries, and can only be removed if all three want it.
How on earth do you expect to convince the turks to remove it.
You have a better chance of walking to the moon than doing that.

As a moderate and a true Cypriot that I'm this is how I see Turkeys role as a guarantor. NIL AND VOID.
Almost 35 years ago she exercised her guarantor rights by invading Cyprus , ethnically cleansing some 200 thousand Cypriots from their ancestral homes , set about changing the demographics by installing more than 200 thousand settlers , acts which were not compatible with her status as a guarantor power for Cyprus's independence and territorial integrity. Can you really see the populace at large agreeing to this third world nation THAT HEADS THE LIST OF VIOLATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS , renewing her guarantor status which she so flagrantly abused ?
Common sense has to prevail if a solution is to be worked out.
Turkey in 1974 should have carried out the duties as per her guarantor status NOT BECOME AN OCCUPYING POWER ..

Dear Miltiades ,
Problem is how u can convince the TURKISH CYPRRİOTS that we don't need Turkey's guarantees ?
Nothing to do if Turkey is third world country or not .
Our problem it is not the only problem of the 200 000 GC's population displacement . (official figures for exchange population is 165000 GC and 35000 TC's) Cyprus problem did not started with properties problem dear Miltiades. we have to examine very well . how the ROC break down from beginning of the 63's . How the world ,UN,EU or others can convince the Turkish Cypriots fears Miltiades that is what the our people are talking everyday in their homes or at every occasions . People are in the north does not thinking as u thinking my dear friend . u can find people thinking like u not more than 1000-2000 in whole population of the North . These numbers must give u lots of thinking my friend .

The figure that I mentioned of 200 thousand is correct , since when I say Cypriots I mean all Cypriots.
Halil you are aware that there are many many T/Cs both in Cyprus and overseas who share my views , who do not consider themselves as a part of a minority but see themselves as Cypriots first. The Turkish Cypriots must have their fears addressed but by doing so you must not instill feat in the overwhelming majority of Cypriots who view Turkey as an occupying power. The Cypriot authorities must address these very real issues head on . On this forum alone Halil there are more than 10 T/Cs who also share my views.
The stumbling block to the negotiating process , the biggest one , is the insistence that the nation that has reneged on its guarantor conditions in the past is now demanding a new guarantor status. It will not be accepted , and you can see why . You can not possibly have an occupying power , which is how the International community view Turkey along with the vast majority of Cypriots , as a guarantor power .

Miltiades in April we can have election in North .We will see the results together . For the TC's it is not important what the rest of the world calls to Turkey about their presence in island . For them important one is how they sees the Turkey in Cyprus and these views of the TC's always shows its effects in the elections and also it will show in the future referendum .

People are after the true bi-zonal - bi-communal solution in north Miltiades. They wants very clearly every site must be strongly control only their own zone under the federal goverment umberalla . Even some of them wants in northern zone must not be any GC's . I don't have much idea about this group how strong their . But i can tell u only the group who are thinking like are not more . Lets and see them what they will be in the next election .Watch out the results of the BKP ,YBH

u can get information for YBH from below link. at 2005 they did not attend the electiones .
http://www.ykp.org.cy/index_ana.htm

from blow link 2005 election results.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_C ... tion,_2005

from the presential election results also u can find how right i am .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_C ... tion,_2005

whatch out the votes for Zehra Cengiz and Zeki Beşiktepeli their ideas might be closest to your points.

Halil, its only the minority TC's who do not want GC's in the north.
The important thing to remember is the protection of all people on both sides, and fair application of the law to protect everybody where ever they may live.
What must not happen again is the killings that took place in the 60's and people kept quite about them rather than tell the police. I suspect that at the time, it would have made no diference because even the police were partison to the extreme elements on both sides.

[halil]

The did indeed give their lives for us Fred. All that we have to give is a little empathy and understanding of each others fears and concerns for the future . We start by working to promote our one common denominator and that it is that we all Cypriots and that we all consider Cyprus as our motherland.

Milt,

Let me put this to you. see what you think.

Between you and me we are going to have an agreement. We will start living together. But if I start to kick the shit out of you, that person over there must have no right to come and help you.

Put simply, if GC' have no intention of agreeing on the Turkish Guaranty, why are they sitting at the negotiating table.

From personal experience, I can tell you that if the Guaranty is removed, the vote of the TC's will be 98% against. If not, than if the GC will also refuse with guaranty of turkey then the current talks are total waste of time even talking.

Legalistically speaking, and I am not a lawyer. The Guaranty was between 3 countries, and can only be removed if all three want it.
How on earth do you expect to convince the turks to remove it.
You have a better chance of walking to the moon than doing that.

As a moderate and a true Cypriot that I'm this is how I see Turkeys role as a guarantor. NIL AND VOID.
Almost 35 years ago she exercised her guarantor rights by invading Cyprus , ethnically cleansing some 200 thousand Cypriots from their ancestral homes , set about changing the demographics by installing more than 200 thousand settlers , acts which were not compatible with her status as a guarantor power for Cyprus's independence and territorial integrity. Can you really see the populace at large agreeing to this third world nation THAT HEADS THE LIST OF VIOLATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS , renewing her guarantor status which she so flagrantly abused ?
Common sense has to prevail if a solution is to be worked out.
Turkey in 1974 should have carried out the duties as per her guarantor status NOT BECOME AN OCCUPYING POWER ..

Dear Miltiades ,
Problem is how u can convince the TURKISH CYPRRİOTS that we don't need Turkey's guarantees ?
Nothing to do if Turkey is third world country or not .
Our problem it is not the only problem of the 200 000 GC's population displacement . (official figures for exchange population is 165000 GC and 35000 TC's) Cyprus problem did not started with properties problem dear Miltiades. we have to examine very well . how the ROC break down from beginning of the 63's . How the world ,UN,EU or others can convince the Turkish Cypriots fears Miltiades that is what the our people are talking everyday in their homes or at every occasions . People are in the north does not thinking as u thinking my dear friend . u can find people thinking like u not more than 1000-2000 in whole population of the North . These numbers must give u lots of thinking my friend .

The figure that I mentioned of 200 thousand is correct , since when I say Cypriots I mean all Cypriots.
Halil you are aware that there are many many T/Cs both in Cyprus and overseas who share my views , who do not consider themselves as a part of a minority but see themselves as Cypriots first. The Turkish Cypriots must have their fears addressed but by doing so you must not instill feat in the overwhelming majority of Cypriots who view Turkey as an occupying power. The Cypriot authorities must address these very real issues head on . On this forum alone Halil there are more than 10 T/Cs who also share my views.
The stumbling block to the negotiating process , the biggest one , is the insistence that the nation that has reneged on its guarantor conditions in the past is now demanding a new guarantor status. It will not be accepted , and you can see why . You can not possibly have an occupying power , which is how the International community view Turkey along with the vast majority of Cypriots , as a guarantor power .

Miltiades in April we can have election in North .We will see the results together . For the TC's it is not important what the rest of the world calls to Turkey about their presence in island . For them important one is how they sees the Turkey in Cyprus and these views of the TC's always shows its effects in the elections and also it will show in the future referendum .

People are after the true bi-zonal - bi-communal solution in north Miltiades. They wants very clearly every site must be strongly control only their own zone under the federal goverment umberalla . Even some of them wants in northern zone must not be any GC's . I don't have much idea about this group how strong their . But i can tell u only the group who are thinking like are not more . Lets and see them what they will be in the next election .Watch out the results of the BKP ,YBH

u can get information for YBH from below link. at 2005 they did not attend the electiones .
http://www.ykp.org.cy/index_ana.htm

from blow link 2005 election results.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_C ... tion,_2005

from the presential election results also u can find how right i am .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_C ... tion,_2005

whatch out the votes for Zehra Cengiz and Zeki Beşiktepeli their ideas might be closest to your points.

Halil, its only the minority TC's who do not want GC's in the north.
The important thing to remember is the protection of all people on both sides, and fair application of the law to protect everybody where ever they may live.
What must not happen again is the killings that took place in the 60's and people kept quite about them rather than tell the police. I suspect that at the time, it would have made no diference because even the police were partison to the extreme elements on both sides.

As i said YFred i have no idea but we do hear all the sayings when i go to village Kahvane or other places we have to count every possibilities .

I agree with u protection must be for all people of the island . That's what the people are worrying YFred are we going to live again what was happened in 60's .This is the most question that people are asking in North . They believe GC side will not satisfied with little things they wants whole of the island .They don't want power sharing with us ,they sees us as a minority .... etc....etc ..... can u imagine what the local people are talking when they comes together .

half hour ago if i did not understand wrong Alpay Durduran party boycotts the next elections again . If u don't go to front of the electors to get support for your ideas what is the point just talking and publishing so many ideas .People can question them as well .

Still i am not sure about the police forces of the both sides still they are under the shadows of the military men . What do u except head of the police forces in south .... his brother also one of the leadings man in the GCN guard army . For North it is under the control of the TC security forces .

while i was writing YKP boycott news came out from the news paper sources .here it is the link.
http://www.kibrispostasi.com/index.php/ ... ame/KIBRIS