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[YFred]

Power sharing of any kind requires one essential element for it to work. Its called negotiating in good faith. How much good faith were in those negotiations?
Would it have worked if TC's only had 18%?
Akritas plan reveals all, says no.

Makarios and the rest of the gang had no intention of power sharing.
Or am I being delusional.

[Get Real!]

What gets my goat are those seeing an ideal as an option in the complicated Cyprus problem.....No one should lose and no one should gain is an impossibility. Compromise and restraint is what is needed....Not Idealistic rants that only help to fuel the anger.

This is 2009, and here we are often talking about democracy yet you still go on about segregationist percentages and that… how do you differ from the people of the past?

You call the Cyprus problem “complicated”… well you’re damn right it’s complicated if some insist on favoritism and reject a fare & square democracy.

In 1960, favoritism was granted to the Turkish Cypriots without the consent of the Greek Cypriots via a democratic referendum, and what did you gain from it? Violence!

In 2009, what are your leaders aiming for? Favoritism again! So what have they learned from the past? NOTHING!

What u ignorantly call "favouritism" is officially known as "consociationalism".

Did you notice that they all ignored that last time you mentioned it!!!

Go ahead and give it a fancy name you can’t pronounce for all the difference it’ll make…

“Cyprus symbolized the most extreme case of consociationalism’s complete failure as the remedy for a thoroughly divided society. The Cypriot consociational experiment begun with the 1960 constitution introduced a very rigid formula for achieving a delicate balance between the two groups’ desires: the majority Greek Cypriot preference for a unitary state and the minority Turkish Cypriot demands for recognition as a separate political entity. Although making up only 20% of the population, the Turkish inhabitants of Cyprus were given prime status as one of the state’s two communities.”

http://www.balkanalysis.com/2004/02/17/ ... macedonia/

[insan]

What gets my goat are those seeing an ideal as an option in the complicated Cyprus problem.....No one should lose and no one should gain is an impossibility. Compromise and restraint is what is needed....Not Idealistic rants that only help to fuel the anger.

This is 2009, and here we are often talking about democracy yet you still go on about segregationist percentages and that… how do you differ from the people of the past?

You call the Cyprus problem “complicated”… well you’re damn right it’s complicated if some insist on favoritism and reject a fare & square democracy.

In 1960, favoritism was granted to the Turkish Cypriots without the consent of the Greek Cypriots via a democratic referendum, and what did you gain from it? Violence!

In 2009, what are your leaders aiming for? Favoritism again! So what have they learned from the past? NOTHING!

What u ignorantly call "favouritism" is officially known as "consociationalism".

Did you notice that they all ignored that last time you mentioned it!!!

Go ahead and give it a fancy name you can’t pronounce for all the difference it’ll make…

“Cyprus symbolized the most extreme case of consociationalism’s complete failure as the remedy for a thoroughly divided society. The Cypriot consociational experiment begun with the 1960 constitution introduced a very rigid formula for achieving a delicate balance between the two groups’ desires: the majority Greek Cypriot preference for a unitary state and the minority Turkish Cypriot demands for recognition as a separate political entity. Although making up only 20% of the population, the Turkish inhabitants of Cyprus were given prime status as one of the state’s two communities.”

http://www.balkanalysis.com/2004/02/17/ ... macedonia/

It failed completely because the ultra-nationalist elements within the GC community and Greece exerted extremely to make it fail.

[Get Real!]

Power sharing of any kind requires one essential element for it to work. Its called negotiating in good faith. How much good faith were in those negotiations?

What "negotiations"? Had the Greek Cypriot population been given the chance to vote on whether or not Turkish Cypriots should have 40% of the House of Reps what do you think the outcome would've been?

So given the above, were the London/Zurich agreements the result of "negotiating in good faith" ???

Would it have worked if TC's only had 18%?
Akritas plan reveals all, says no.

Makarios and the rest of the gang had no intention of power sharing.
Or am I being delusional.

You're just being daft.

[YFred]

Power sharing of any kind requires one essential element for it to work. Its called negotiating in good faith. How much good faith were in those negotiations?

What "negotiations"? Had the Greek Cypriot population been given the chance to vote on whether or not Turkish Cypriots should have 40% of the House of Reps what do you think the outcome would've been?

So given the above, were the London/Zurich agreements the result of "negotiating in good faith" ???

Would it have worked if TC's only had 18%?
Akritas plan reveals all, says no.

Makarios and the rest of the gang had no intention of power sharing.
Or am I being delusional.

You're just being daft.

That says more about you than me GR.

[zan]

What gets my goat are those seeing an ideal as an option in the complicated Cyprus problem.....No one should lose and no one should gain is an impossibility. Compromise and restraint is what is needed....Not Idealistic rants that only help to fuel the anger.

This is 2009, and here we are often talking about democracy yet you still go on about segregationist percentages and that… how do you differ from the people of the past?

You call the Cyprus problem “complicated”… well you’re damn right it’s complicated if some insist on favoritism and reject a fare & square democracy.

In 1960, favoritism was granted to the Turkish Cypriots without the consent of the Greek Cypriots via a democratic referendum, and what did you gain from it? Violence!

In 2009, what are your leaders aiming for? Favoritism again! So what have they learned from the past? NOTHING!

Violence because of the AKRITAS plan and the want of ENOSIS mate...Get rid of that and we have harmony with two people....It is easy to wreck but it could have been just as easy to build....With the right will...Your democracy will not work either because you still have not got the will to make it work....

Deniz.....I am not finished no....As one refugee to another...I matter as well...You have no right to give away what is mine...

....but its ok for you to give away what is mine. Fine. Be happy.

Is that all you want Deniz...A bit of land?.......I will sign over my land to you (If my dad agrees)......I would rather keep my dignity and liberty...

Dont play games with me Zan.

You said, "You have no right to give away what is mine...

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My apologies Deniz...That was a bit below the belt....Sorry!

[zan]

What gets my goat are those seeing an ideal as an option in the complicated Cyprus problem.....No one should lose and no one should gain is an impossibility. Compromise and restraint is what is needed....Not Idealistic rants that only help to fuel the anger.

This is 2009, and here we are often talking about democracy yet you still go on about segregationist percentages and that… how do you differ from the people of the past?

You call the Cyprus problem “complicated”… well you’re damn right it’s complicated if some insist on favoritism and reject a fare & square democracy.

In 1960, favoritism was granted to the Turkish Cypriots without the consent of the Greek Cypriots via a democratic referendum, and what did you gain from it? Violence!

In 2009, what are your leaders aiming for? Favoritism again! So what have they learned from the past? NOTHING!

What u ignorantly call "favouritism" is officially known as "consociationalism".

Did you notice that they all ignored that last time you mentioned it!!!

Go ahead and give it a fancy name you can’t pronounce for all the difference it’ll make…

“Cyprus symbolized the most extreme case of consociationalism’s complete failure as the remedy for a thoroughly divided society. The Cypriot consociational experiment begun with the 1960 constitution introduced a very rigid formula for achieving a delicate balance between the two groups’ desires: the majority Greek Cypriot preference for a unitary state and the minority Turkish Cypriot demands for recognition as a separate political entity. Although making up only 20% of the population, the Turkish inhabitants of Cyprus were given prime status as one of the state’s two communities.”

http://www.balkanalysis.com/2004/02/17/ ... macedonia/

The failure was due to undemocratic action by the use of arms.....Tell me which system will stand up to that sort of action?????

[miltiades]

I'm pleased that you apologized to Deniz , one of the most consistent , honourable , fair minded and highly principled individual I have ever met . He does not pretend to be anything that he is not and what he is is undoubtedly a perfect gentleman and a true Cypriot . I'm proud to call him my friend.

[Vuryek]

Dear Miltiades, when Zan & Co. face facts and realities they follow a certain tactic.
Either they direct the subject of the thread by jumping in another subject or they just call you names and insult you.
Do you blame them? I don't. This is how they grew up and this is how they learned to behave. It comforts them by believing that the rest of us are just "stupid", "clowns" "bitches" "murderers" etc etc etc.

+10

[Get Real!]

I'm pleased that you apologized to Deniz , one of the most consistent , honourable , fair minded and highly principled individual I have ever met . He does not pretend to be anything that he is not and what he is is undoubtedly a perfect gentleman and a true Cypriot . I'm proud to call him my friend.

He wasn't elected president for nothing... although at the time he was weary of it!