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EOKA B': Why were they so bad? Last stance against Taksim?

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby YFred » Mon Feb 02, 2009 2:41 pm

yialousa1971 wrote:
Oracle wrote:
YFred wrote:Having achieved their government, surely their stance on enosis makes them treasonous, never mind the women and children they have killed. Oh, dear dear me.
Your first statement was so right. You don't know much about them.


Relatively speaking ... how much worse were EOKA B' than EOKA, who were Freedom fighters against the Brits and towards self-determination. How much worse were they than the Taksim seeking TMT and other Turkish organisations, seeking to divide the Island?

How many did they kill, compared to those casualties of TMT ... who killed both TCs and GCs.

Who was worse in the end for Cyprus? They fought against the pending Taksim, which was a very real threat as we now know.

Taksim won ..... maybe EOKA B' were right all along ....


When we examine the evidence below from the Turks mouths we can see that!

TMT was the outcome of Turkey's cooperation with the colonial power, and was the means of frustrating the wishes of the majority of the population of Cyprus,
dividing Greek and Turkish Cypriot and beginning the long path towards partition.

The organization was set up by Mr Rauf Denktash. "I had set up the TMT with a few friends...Everybody thought that I was the leader, but I was not. I was political advisor. Immediately after forming it I handed it over... The leaders were former army officers from Turkey."
(The Times, 20.1.1978)

Dr Kuchuk takes up the story with an account of how Riza Vurushkan came to Cyprus from Turkey to lead TMT.
"Year 1957...in order to give daily reports to Ankara...and to secure aid from Turkey I used to go to Ankara very frequently. During one of these visits, the late Prime Minister of Turkey, Adnan Menderes, introduced Riza Vurushkan to me...Later I met him at the office of a Lieutenant General and talked with him there. During our meeting it was decided that Vurushkan should come to
Cyprus as "civilian adviser". He arrived in Cyprus under an assumed name and settled down here."
(Halkin Sesi, 16.2.1979)

TMT incited anti-Greek riots and tried to force Turkish Cypriot workers to establish separate trade unions.

Murder, arson and intimidation were the means that TMT used in order to prove that Greek and Turkish Cypriots could not live together. The victims were trade unionists, journalists and ordinary Turkish Cypriots who resisted TMT's call.

After the signing of the Zurich and London Agreements in 1959, which led to the independence of Cyprus, TMT continued its clandestine activities in the cause of dividing Cyprus, and was to continue until 1984 as Mr Ozgur was to
reveal.

In October, 1959, seven months after the signing of the agreements on Cyprus independence, the British mine-sweeper HMS Burmaston intercepted the Turkish
boat "Deniz" as it was attempting to deliver a shipment of arms to TMT in Cyprus.

Despite TMT terrorism, the mass of Greek and Turkish Cypriots citizens entered hopefully into the period of independence.



Some TMT attacks against Turkish Cypriots, May-July, 1958



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- 22.5.58: Murder attempt against Ahmet Sadi, Director of the Turkish Office of the Pancyprian Workers Federation. In order to save his life, Sadi left Cyprus soon after and settled in England.

- 24.5.48: Murder of Fazil Onder, Chief Editor of the weekly newspaper "Inkilapci".

- 29.5.58: Murder of Ahmet Yahya, committee member of the progressive Turkish Cypriot Athletic-Cultural Centre.

- 5.6.58: Murder attempt against Hasan Ali, member of a Construction Workers Committee of the Pancyprian Labour Federation.

- 30.6.58: Murder of Ahmet Ibrahim, a barber from Limassol, because he had friendly relations with Greek-Cypriots and expressed himself in favour of Greek-Turkish cooperation.

- 3.7.58: Murder attempt against Arif Hulusi Barudi. He was working in a business owned by a Greek Cypriot. Before the attempt he had received a threatening letter demanding that he leave his job.

"Going ...back... to our schooldays... I don't think that the generation of that age, the boys of that age... had any cause for alarm for the future... were years when people who are now in our age group knew there was British
"repression" on the island... We were just boys in the English School; Greek and Turkish boys living probably in the same street in opposite houses, playing together, fighting together... As a boy I remember going around with my father to Greek monasteries all over Cyprus, to Greek houses, and being entertained by Greeks on an equal footing as friends, good friends. They used to come to
our house, too, and the reason, I now believe, looking back, is that we had no political quarrel, no political bone to pick".

Rauf Denktash at a Rotary Club Luncheon 1n 1972
in R. Denktash, "The Cyprus Problem", 1974.


"In 1954 I felt great anxiety about Cyprus.
...
Harold Macmillan was urging us to stir up the Turks in order to neutralise the Greek agitation. I wrote a minute in opposition to this tactic. I also asked the Prime Minister's private secretary if I could see Churchill on the subject,
but he absolutely refused even to pass on the suggestion, which he clearly regarded as impertinence."
C.M. Woodhouse, "Something Ventured", 1982.



TMT Leaflet Circulated on 7 May 1958:
"Oh Turkish Youth! The day is near when you will be called upon to sacrifice your life and blood in the "PARTITION" struggle - the struggle for freedom... You are a brave Turk.
You are faithful to your country and nation and are entrusted with the task of demonstrating Turkish might. Be ready to break the chains of slavery with your determination and willpower and with your love of freedom. All Turkdom, right and justice and God are with you. PARTITION OR DEATH."
quoted in Nancy Crawshaw "The Cyprus Revolt", 1978.


"Although the nucleus of the first Turkish Cypriot political party was organized in 1942, it was not until 1955 that the Turkish Cypriot community became politically active. Within the next three years, a community political
structure was developed as a result not only of efforts of Turkish Cypriot leaders to oppose Enosis, but also of encouragement from the British and Turkish officials who were seeking to safeguard their countries' strategic
interests."
Dr Fazil Kuchuk in interview to R.A.Patrick, Doctoral
Dissertation, London School of Economics and
Political Science, 1972.


"The early stages of the Cyprus conflict, in the mid-1950's, were mainly a struggle between the Greek Cypriots and the British Colonial power, with the Turks at that time hardly interested in the island. There is strong evidence that the British Government of the day deliberately encouraged an indifferent Turkey to take more active interest, as a useful counterweight in the struggle against the Greeeks. One of the most violent expressions of this artificially contrived Turkish indignation was on the night of 6th-7th September 1955, when a terrifying Turkish mob destroyed quantities of Greek property in Instanbul. It should be noted that at the Yassaida trials in 1960 evidence was given by the defence witnesses that the Turkish Government had been put up to staging a Cyprus demonstration by the then British Foreign Secretary Harold Macmillan, but that the demonstration, mis-managed by Menderes, had degenerated into an
uncontrollable riot".
David Hotham, "The Turks", 1972.


"When the armed struggle started, the British had at their disposal thousands of men and could even increase their existing numbers to put down the EOKA struggle. This they did not do, but they formed instead the well known Auxiliary
Corps. The ordinary Turkish Cypriots, who did not realize where the British were leading them (since their leadership did not warn them, rather it encouraged them), hastened to reinforce this Auxiliary Corps thinking only of securing
a living. Thus, the Greek Cypriots, who thought that they were waging a holy struggle against the British, found themselves facing the Turkish Cypriots. In this way
the British started submitting to the Turkish community their plans for partition."
Ibrahim Aziz, "The Historical Course of the Turkish Cypriot Community", 1981

You really need to study your history better. You left out Iran, Afghanistan Egypt and half of India. Or are you denying the activities of you greatest warrior Sikandra. Yes it is very near. You now have the whole of EU, the rest will come soon. You ignorant kalamari.
And I guess next you will demanding the Elgin marbles back, because you lost yours!
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Postby Medman » Mon Feb 02, 2009 2:55 pm

When the shit hit the fan with Markarios' ousting. Eoka 'B' along with elements of the Greek military and national guard went after Greek Cypriots loyal to the President. They were killing them for goodness sake. I have spoken to GC's who were actually on the ground and it was literally brown trousers time. Also check out the film 'Atilla 74' where Eoka B mebers and Nikos Sampson give their views on events.
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Postby YFred » Mon Feb 02, 2009 3:18 pm

Medman wrote:When the shit hit the fan with Markarios' ousting. Eoka 'B' along with elements of the Greek military and national guard went after Greek Cypriots loyal to the President. They were killing them for goodness sake. I have spoken to GC's who were actually on the ground and it was literally brown trousers time. Also check out the film 'Atilla 74' where Eoka B mebers and Nikos Sampson give their views on events.

But you see the official records show, 94 killed.
It just occurred to me that perhaps the official recorder may have been killed within the first hour of the coup. Now that would explain the low figure of official killed, or should that have been officials killed. What does the official quartet think about this?
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Postby halil » Mon Feb 02, 2009 3:37 pm

YFred wrote:
Medman wrote:When the shit hit the fan with Markarios' ousting. Eoka 'B' along with elements of the Greek military and national guard went after Greek Cypriots loyal to the President. They were killing them for goodness sake. I have spoken to GC's who were actually on the ground and it was literally brown trousers time. Also check out the film 'Atilla 74' where Eoka B mebers and Nikos Sampson give their views on events.

But you see the official records show, 94 killed.
It just occurred to me that perhaps the official recorder may have been killed within the first hour of the coup. Now that would explain the low figure of official killed, or should that have been officials killed. What does the official quartet think about this?


Hi guys ,
i bet u did miss this small news from the daily papers. orijinal of the news came out from the ALIHTIA news paper.

3 more unknown grave found in south Nicosia .from below story what do u except from official figures.

read it and tell me !!!!
Güney Lefkoşa'da bulunan "Ay. Konstantiu ve Elenis" Mezarlığı'nda 15 Temmuz 1974 Yunan cuntası darbesi sırasında öldüklerine inanılan ancak henüz kimlik tespitleri yapılmayan dört mezar bulunduğu kaydedildi.
Alithia, darbe girişimi sırasında yaralanan ve başka hastaneye kaldırıldığı halde ailesine öldüğü söylenen bir Rum askerinin, ailesi tarafından söz konusu mezarlığa gömüldüğünü, ancak askerin iyileşerek evine dönmesinin ardından mezara başkasının gömüldüğünün anlaşıldığını belirtti.

Söz konusu mezarın taşının üzerinden askerin adının silinerek üzerine "Meçhul Asker" yazıldığını ifade eden
gazete, söz konusu mezarlıkta bunun gibi 3 mezar daha bulunduğunu, bunların kimliklerinin tespiti için ise hiçbir şey yapılmadığını vurguladı.

after above news nothing must be suprize for you Beyler !!!!!!
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Postby Nikitas » Mon Feb 02, 2009 4:30 pm

"If you start anything the Turks will invade"

"No worries there, the Turks have been spoken to"

The above dialogue is from the summer of 1973 with an EOKA B member in Famagusta. Ironically it took place right on the spot where now stands a Turkish army post near Aheritou.

Whoever said that EOKA B was against Taksim does not know the facts.
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Postby zan » Mon Feb 02, 2009 4:36 pm

Nikitas wrote:"If you start anything the Turks will invade"

"No worries there, the Turks have been spoken to"

The above dialogue is from the summer of 1973 with an EOKA B member in Famagusta. Ironically it took place right on the spot where now stands a Turkish army post near Aheritou.

Whoever said that EOKA B was against Taksim does not know the facts.


I am sure :roll: Look at the sneaky looking bastards!!
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Postby Nikitas » Mon Feb 02, 2009 5:07 pm

But who are the Turks who spoke with EOKA B? Who gave them assurances and made them so sure that they could succede? Who are the TCs who stored EOKA B weapons so they could not be found in RoC police searches?
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Postby zan » Mon Feb 02, 2009 5:11 pm

Nikitas wrote:But who are the Turks who spoke with EOKA B? Who gave them assurances and made them so sure that they could succede? Who are the TCs who stored EOKA B weapons so they could not be found in RoC police searches?


All your quote says to me is that the TUrks might have been threatened or warned...Nothing else.....Perhaps you could give us some more details???
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Postby Nikitas » Mon Feb 02, 2009 6:06 pm

In the area of Kouklia on the old Famagusta-Nicosia road there were contacts between EOKA B operatives and TCs from 1971 till the invasion.
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Postby YFred » Mon Feb 02, 2009 6:09 pm

Nikitas wrote:In the area of Kouklia on the old Famagusta-Nicosia road there were contacts between EOKA B operatives and TCs from 1971 till the invasion.

Judging by the recent communications between the rejectionists on both sides, I would hazard a guess and say it was Denktash's men.
Don't leave us in suspense, please tell us who these traitors were.
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