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EOKA B': Why were they so bad? Last stance against Taksim?

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Postby YFred » Sun Feb 01, 2009 11:51 pm

Having achieved their government, surely their stance on enosis makes them treasonous, never mind the women and children they have killed. Oh, dear dear me.
Your first statement was so right. You don't know much about them.
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Postby Oracle » Sun Feb 01, 2009 11:52 pm

zan wrote:
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Bananiot wrote:Are you being serious? You expect people to reply to the above?


Only if they have something to add ... which you clearly don't!

There are good and bad points to most things. However, you just see good in Turks and Bad in GCs ... therefore, maybe you do not count.

We hear about the bad of EOKA B' ... mostly that they were on their guard against Taksim!

Is that bad or good in your opinion?


Please tell us again when ENOSIS reared its ugly head and when Takisim did???? :roll: :roll:


Irrelevant ... EOKA B' was opposed to Taksim to the very end and this is what materialised when they made their one fatal flaw, overthrowing Makarios at the behest of and in unison with the Greek junta .... A testament of their desperation at the continued daily threat of pending Taksim ... a reality since at least 1964.



So Mrs Biologist you......The cure always comes before the disease hey!!! :roll: :roll: :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Yes Zan ... prevention is better than cure!

But maybe they weren't allowed to exercise preventative measures against Taksim, because the Turkish Lobby was so strong (read Turkish Taksim Propaganda).

Maybe the Turks' made EOKA B' seem worse than they were ....
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Postby zan » Sun Feb 01, 2009 11:55 pm

Oracle wrote:
zan wrote:
Oracle wrote:
zan wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Bananiot wrote:Are you being serious? You expect people to reply to the above?


Only if they have something to add ... which you clearly don't!

There are good and bad points to most things. However, you just see good in Turks and Bad in GCs ... therefore, maybe you do not count.

We hear about the bad of EOKA B' ... mostly that they were on their guard against Taksim!

Is that bad or good in your opinion?


Please tell us again when ENOSIS reared its ugly head and when Takisim did???? :roll: :roll:


Irrelevant ... EOKA B' was opposed to Taksim to the very end and this is what materialised when they made their one fatal flaw, overthrowing Makarios at the behest of and in unison with the Greek junta .... A testament of their desperation at the continued daily threat of pending Taksim ... a reality since at least 1964.



So Mrs Biologist you......The cure always comes before the disease hey!!! :roll: :roll: :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Yes Zan ... prevention is better than cure!

But maybe they weren't allowed to exercise preventative measures against Taksim, because the Turkish Lobby was so strong (read Turkish Taksim Propaganda).

Maybe the Turks' made EOKA B' seem worse than they were ....


Again....What came first...ENOSIS or Takisim?????Even you cannot prepare a cure if you don't know the illness.....Stop talking rubbish...I am beginning o feel embarrassed for you...Soooooooooooooo. We can use this to say that ENOSIS was the disease and Taksim was the cure...... 8) 8)
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Postby insan » Sun Feb 01, 2009 11:57 pm

Oracle wrote:
zan wrote:
Oracle wrote:
zan wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Bananiot wrote:Are you being serious? You expect people to reply to the above?


Only if they have something to add ... which you clearly don't!

There are good and bad points to most things. However, you just see good in Turks and Bad in GCs ... therefore, maybe you do not count.

We hear about the bad of EOKA B' ... mostly that they were on their guard against Taksim!

Is that bad or good in your opinion?


Please tell us again when ENOSIS reared its ugly head and when Takisim did???? :roll: :roll:


Irrelevant ... EOKA B' was opposed to Taksim to the very end and this is what materialised when they made their one fatal flaw, overthrowing Makarios at the behest of and in unison with the Greek junta .... A testament of their desperation at the continued daily threat of pending Taksim ... a reality since at least 1964.



So Mrs Biologist you......The cure always comes before the disease hey!!! :roll: :roll: :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Yes Zan ... prevention is better than cure!

But maybe they weren't allowed to exercise preventative measures against Taksim, because the Turkish Lobby was so strong (read Turkish Taksim Propaganda).

Maybe the Turks' made EOKA B' seem worse than they were ....


Leftists and whom they harmed made EOKA-B seem what they were in the eyes of leftists and whom they harmed. Brb. too bsy right now :wink:
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Postby Oracle » Sun Feb 01, 2009 11:59 pm

YFred wrote:Having achieved their government, surely their stance on enosis makes them treasonous, never mind the women and children they have killed. Oh, dear dear me.
Your first statement was so right. You don't know much about them.


Relatively speaking ... how much worse were EOKA B' than EOKA, who were Freedom fighters against the Brits and towards self-determination. How much worse were they than the Taksim seeking TMT and other Turkish organisations, seeking to divide the Island?

How many did they kill, compared to those casualties of TMT ... who killed both TCs and GCs.

Who was worse in the end for Cyprus? They fought against the pending Taksim, which was a very real threat as we now know.

Taksim won ..... maybe EOKA B' were right all along ....
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Postby zan » Mon Feb 02, 2009 12:01 am

Oracle wrote:
YFred wrote:Having achieved their government, surely their stance on enosis makes them treasonous, never mind the women and children they have killed. Oh, dear dear me.
Your first statement was so right. You don't know much about them.


Relatively speaking ... how much worse were EOKA B' than EOKA, who were Freedom fighters against the Brits and towards self-determination. How much worse were they than the Taksim seeking TMT and other Turkish organisations, seeking to divide the Island?

How many did they kill, compared to those casualties of TMT ... who killed both TCs and GCs.

Who was worse in the end for Cyprus? They fought against the pending Taksim, which was a very real threat as we now know.

Taksim won ..... maybe EOKA B' were right all along ....


Are you saying that EOKA never killed their own... :shock:
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Postby insan » Mon Feb 02, 2009 12:04 am

zan wrote:
Oracle wrote:
zan wrote:
Oracle wrote:
zan wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Bananiot wrote:Are you being serious? You expect people to reply to the above?


Only if they have something to add ... which you clearly don't!

There are good and bad points to most things. However, you just see good in Turks and Bad in GCs ... therefore, maybe you do not count.

We hear about the bad of EOKA B' ... mostly that they were on their guard against Taksim!

Is that bad or good in your opinion?


Please tell us again when ENOSIS reared its ugly head and when Takisim did???? :roll: :roll:


Irrelevant ... EOKA B' was opposed to Taksim to the very end and this is what materialised when they made their one fatal flaw, overthrowing Makarios at the behest of and in unison with the Greek junta .... A testament of their desperation at the continued daily threat of pending Taksim ... a reality since at least 1964.



So Mrs Biologist you......The cure always comes before the disease hey!!! :roll: :roll: :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Yes Zan ... prevention is better than cure!

But maybe they weren't allowed to exercise preventative measures against Taksim, because the Turkish Lobby was so strong (read Turkish Taksim Propaganda).

Maybe the Turks' made EOKA B' seem worse than they were ....


Again....What came first...ENOSIS or Takisim?????Even you cannot prepare a cure if you don't know the illness.....Stop talking rubbish...I am beginning o feel embarrassed for you...Soooooooooooooo. We can use this to say that ENOSIS was the disease and Taksim was the cure...... 8) 8)


Zan, althogh Enosis movement was the first arrived and gave birth to Taksim, we still need to examine the Enosis movement in correlation of Nationalist movement of Hellenes. After the French revolution of 1789 nationalism was all around the world. Instead of blaming the Enosis, Enosists and the then nationalists; we should examine it in correlation with independence of Greece, the then Greek nationalism and historical backgrond of Hellenes and Turks..
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Postby doesntmatter » Mon Feb 02, 2009 12:06 am

Oracle wrote:
zan wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Bananiot wrote:Are you being serious? You expect people to reply to the above?


Only if they have something to add ... which you clearly don't!

There are good and bad points to most things. However, you just see good in Turks and Bad in GCs ... therefore, maybe you do not count.

We hear about the bad of EOKA B' ... mostly that they were on their guard against Taksim!

Is that bad or good in your opinion?


Please tell us again when ENOSIS reared its ugly head and when Takisim did???? :roll: :roll:


Irrelevant ... EOKA B' was opposed to Taksim to the very end and this is what materialised when they made their one fatal flaw, overthrowing Makarios at the behest of and in unison with the Greek junta .... A testament of their desperation at the continued daily threat of pending Taksim ... a reality since at least 1964.


They were against an independent Cyprus as was Makarios until he "changed his mind" (supposedly).

Cerberus, the three heads of the Greeks who fought against each other and destroyed themselves in the end.


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commies on one side, enosists on the other and the ones who wanted an independent Cyprus stuck in the middle.

It must be tough life being a Greek. :lol:
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Postby zan » Mon Feb 02, 2009 12:09 am

insan wrote:
zan wrote:
Oracle wrote:
zan wrote:
Oracle wrote:
zan wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Bananiot wrote:Are you being serious? You expect people to reply to the above?


Only if they have something to add ... which you clearly don't!

There are good and bad points to most things. However, you just see good in Turks and Bad in GCs ... therefore, maybe you do not count.

We hear about the bad of EOKA B' ... mostly that they were on their guard against Taksim!

Is that bad or good in your opinion?


Please tell us again when ENOSIS reared its ugly head and when Takisim did???? :roll: :roll:


Irrelevant ... EOKA B' was opposed to Taksim to the very end and this is what materialised when they made their one fatal flaw, overthrowing Makarios at the behest of and in unison with the Greek junta .... A testament of their desperation at the continued daily threat of pending Taksim ... a reality since at least 1964.



So Mrs Biologist you......The cure always comes before the disease hey!!! :roll: :roll: :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Yes Zan ... prevention is better than cure!

But maybe they weren't allowed to exercise preventative measures against Taksim, because the Turkish Lobby was so strong (read Turkish Taksim Propaganda).

Maybe the Turks' made EOKA B' seem worse than they were ....


Again....What came first...ENOSIS or Takisim?????Even you cannot prepare a cure if you don't know the illness.....Stop talking rubbish...I am beginning o feel embarrassed for you...Soooooooooooooo. We can use this to say that ENOSIS was the disease and Taksim was the cure...... 8) 8)


Zan, althogh Enosis movement was the first arrived and gave birth to Taksim, we still need to examine the Enosis movement in correlation of Nationalist movement of Hellenes. After the French revolution of 1789 nationalism was all around the world. Instead of blaming the Enosis, Enosists and the then nationalists; we should examine it in correlation with independence of Greece, the then Greek nationalism and historical backgrond of Hellenes and Turks..



From the Megali idea to ENOSIS, which is a word adapted by the church into politics, I personally do not think it has anything to do with the nationalist, only in that the church and the government used them to further their aims. Nationalist do not stand a chance if the rest of the country is not with them as with the BNP in the UK......IMHO...I am willing to be corrected!! :D
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Postby doesntmatter » Mon Feb 02, 2009 12:09 am

insan wrote:
zan wrote:
Oracle wrote:
zan wrote:
Oracle wrote:
zan wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Bananiot wrote:Are you being serious? You expect people to reply to the above?


Only if they have something to add ... which you clearly don't!

There are good and bad points to most things. However, you just see good in Turks and Bad in GCs ... therefore, maybe you do not count.

We hear about the bad of EOKA B' ... mostly that they were on their guard against Taksim!

Is that bad or good in your opinion?


Please tell us again when ENOSIS reared its ugly head and when Takisim did???? :roll: :roll:


Irrelevant ... EOKA B' was opposed to Taksim to the very end and this is what materialised when they made their one fatal flaw, overthrowing Makarios at the behest of and in unison with the Greek junta .... A testament of their desperation at the continued daily threat of pending Taksim ... a reality since at least 1964.



So Mrs Biologist you......The cure always comes before the disease hey!!! :roll: :roll: :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Yes Zan ... prevention is better than cure!

But maybe they weren't allowed to exercise preventative measures against Taksim, because the Turkish Lobby was so strong (read Turkish Taksim Propaganda).

Maybe the Turks' made EOKA B' seem worse than they were ....


Again....What came first...ENOSIS or Takisim?????Even you cannot prepare a cure if you don't know the illness.....Stop talking rubbish...I am beginning o feel embarrassed for you...Soooooooooooooo. We can use this to say that ENOSIS was the disease and Taksim was the cure...... 8) 8)


Zan, althogh Enosis movement was the first arrived and gave birth to Taksim, we still need to examine the Enosis movement in correlation of Nationalist movement of Hellenes. After the French revolution of 1789 nationalism was all around the world. Instead of blaming the Enosis, Enosists and the then nationalists; we should examine it in correlation with independence of Greece, the then Greek nationalism and historical backgrond of Hellenes and Turks..


Cyprus was a free and an independent country, there was no need for enosis any longer except the greed of the Greeks and a chance to outflank Turkey's south.
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