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Re: German pensioners arrested for docking in illegal ports

Postby Nickp » Tue May 31, 2005 7:40 pm

Well done, arresting pensioners was so brave :shock: [/quote]

Just as stupid as GC's being arrested for picking flowers from the house they were forced to flee from the north.
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Postby detailer » Tue May 31, 2005 7:57 pm

This kind of behaviour will just increase the tesnsion between two communities.

and arresting for picking the flowers was equally wrong. I completely agree.


What do you think about sending the TC to court for building on GC land?
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Postby Kifeas » Tue May 31, 2005 8:02 pm

detailer wrote: What do you think about sending the TC to court for building on GC land?


Isn't he doing something illegal?
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Postby detailer » Tue May 31, 2005 8:19 pm

Kifeas,

As we see here in every new post, the benefits of TC and GC are conflicting almost in every single matter. So please please stop saying that we are "one", or we are all cypriots only. To solve Cyprus problem, we must all accept that we are different first and respect each other' difference. Based on this respect, the will surely come later.

Dont tell me that "illegality" bullshit. There are many TC place in south which was "governised" as well.
Building roads on them or whatever...

I explained you very clearly that GC dont even let us to sell our oranges to Europe to through southern ports. That's not suprising to me, economic developement of TC in anyway is bad for GC (administartion) since it will make TC stronger in negotiation table. So please accept that our benefits conflict and then we can minimise the conflicts by "give and take".
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Postby Main_Source » Tue May 31, 2005 8:21 pm

Wasnt the Turkish Cypriot being sued in Famagusta originally an English citizen and not a refugee.

Correct me if im wrong but wasnt he living in England THEN bought that land to turn it into a restaurant?
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Postby Kifeas » Tue May 31, 2005 8:44 pm

detailer wrote:Kifeas,
As we see here in every new post, the benefits of TC and GC are conflicting almost in every single matter. So please please stop saying that we are "one", or we are all cypriots only. To solve Cyprus problem, we must all accept that we are different first and respect each other' difference. Based on this respect, the will surely come later.


Why? Why respecting legality and property rights of one Cypriot towards another Cypriot should make us different? A TC may do something illegal by building into the land of another GC or another TC, and the same can be said when a GC does something illegal, by building into the property of another GC or another TC.
When a TC in the north builds illegally into the property of another TC in the north, this is something illegal, but still all TC are one, and when a TC builds into the property of a GC, this is not illegal? You have a very strange logic!

detailer wrote:Dont tell me that "illegality" bullshit. There are many TC place in south which was "governised" as well.
Building roads on them or whatever....

Then those TCs must come to the south and take the government to the court. Because the RoC built a road in a TC's land, it means I must accept that a TC has the right to take my land in Lapithos and cut it in plots and build houses and then sell them to the British. Like they do now with my Land in Lapithos. If somebody steels your car, you just go and steel someone else’s car, or you take the one who stole your car to the police or to the court?
detailer wrote:I explained you very clearly that GC dont even let us to sell our oranges to Europe to through southern ports. That's not suprising to me, economic developement of TC in anyway is bad for GC (administartion) since it will make TC stronger in negotiation table. So please accept that our benefits conflict and then we can minimise the conflicts by "give and take".

You didn't explain to me how the GCs do not let you to sell your oranges to Europe.
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Re: German pensioners arrested for docking in illegal ports

Postby Yes2KKTC » Tue May 31, 2005 10:34 pm

magikthrill wrote:Also i might say i am confused as you claim to have aknowledge of EU laws yet at the same time your name is "YES2KKTC". :?:


"In May 2004, the government agreed to implement the European Union’s Green Line Regulation on the movement of goods and people, which states EU citizens have the right of free movement within the EU. It went a step further and drafted the code, which stipulates, among other things, that “EU citizens can cross the line to and from the areas not controlled by the government, irrespective of the point of entry”. "


No need to have any knowledge of the EU laws, it is mentioned in the article. I'd like to draw your attention to the in bold highlighted line. It says "irrespective of the point of entry".


What's so confusing about my name?
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Re: German pensioners arrested for docking in illegal ports

Postby suetoniuspaulinus » Wed Jun 01, 2005 9:55 am

Nickp wrote:Well done, arresting pensioners was so brave :shock:


Just as stupid as GC's being arrested for picking flowers from the house they were forced to flee from the north.[/quote]

Mr Nickp

Not really,,,,

EU state arresting EU nationals. ESPECIALLY TOURISTS upon which GC's depend , actually is a lot more stupid.

But this is not the first time. Many sailors "doing the Med" have been arrested by GC's after calling in at Kyrenia. You guys will just have to grow up one day. I think it's called the "Peter Pan Syndrome"
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Postby detailer » Wed Jun 01, 2005 6:19 pm

Why? Why respecting legality and property rights of one Cypriot towards another Cypriot should make us different? A TC may do something illegal by building into the land of another GC or another TC, and the same can be said when a GC does something illegal, by building into the property of another GC or another TC.
When a TC in the north builds illegally into the property of another TC in the north, this is something illegal, but still all TC are one, and when a TC builds into the property of a GC, this is not illegal? You have a very strange logic!


Kifeas, it is not strage but simple. You start with "we are one", then call all the realities which disprove it as illegalities done by TC. You still dont get it we have to survive in this place, and we can not "freeze" until Papadopulos thinks that is best time for GC favoured solution.

I think these "illegal" buildings are forcing him to find a solution anyway.

Then those TCs must come to the south and take the government to the court. Because the RoC built a road in a TC's land, it means I must accept that a TC has the right to take my land in Lapithos and cut it in plots and build houses and then sell them to the British. Like they do now with my Land in Lapithos. If somebody steels your car, you just go and steel someone else’s car, or you take the one who stole your car to the police or to the court?


You are mixing the things always. We are not talking about people here, we are talking about different communities who try to survive and since you are the part of the GC society, you will get your rigths or equivalent back when a solution is achieved.

You didn't explain to me how the GCs do not let you to sell your oranges to Europe.


If you dont follow, what can I do?
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