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[insan]

There is no distinct Kurdish region of Turkey. Kurdish villages are concentrated in the south east, but can be found as far west as Ankara province. Kurdish villages are interspersed with villages of other ethnic origin. Anway, the majority of Kurds now live in the large cities of western Turkey to which they have migrated. It is imposible to identify a particular region of the Republic of Turkey as being 'Kurdistan'.

Doesn't get much clearer than this...

I beg to differ. There are many Kurdish-speaking villages around the town of Divriği in Sivas province, for example. This is over 400 kilometres west of the region shown on that map. I have been to Divriği so I can state that from personal experience. Conversely, I know an academic who comes from Diyarbakır province, which is contained within the green area of your map. His native language is Zazaki, not Kurdish, and he is most inisistent that he is not a Kurd. In fact, he is the author of a very respected grammar of his native language. Anatolia is a mosiac of different peoples and it defies division into ethnically homogenous zones.

Tim, nobody said that all Kurds live in Kurdistan, and that nobody else lives there. In Kurdistan there is a minority of Turks (and others), and Kurdish people live in the rest of Turkey (and elsewhere). This is perfectly natural, it would be very weird if it was in any other way.

The important thing here is that in the Kurdistan area the majority (not all) of people are Kurds, and this has been the case for 1000s of years, long before any Turks came to the area.

The fact is that Turks and Kurds of Turkey struggled, fought together and in 1923 they proclaimed ROT. The name of the place they proclaimed ROT is Turkish Grand Public Assembly where all Turkish citizens, no matter what ethnic origin they have can vote democratically.

So Piratis, why did Kurds of Turkey struggled, fought together with Turks against the enemy to form a new country named ROT? U speak abt Kurds very sure. It seems u r very well "informed" abt Kurds.

[74LB]

Piratis, your response is still sad, but expected. You are almost justifying the wiping out of 3 villages, one of which was my mothers.

Quit exaggerating… a total of 65 dead is NOT a “wiping out of 3 villages”!

Every single person that they could get their hands on was killed. While the menfolk were in prison camps in Limassol their villages were wiped out.

Go visit my mothers villages of Sandallar and see what remains - a handful of families rebuilding their lives. It will never be the same.

And you call this exaggerating

[74LB]

Piratis, your response is still sad, but expected. You are almost justifying the wiping out of 3 villages, one of which was my mothers.

Quit exaggerating… a total of 65 dead is NOT a “wiping out of 3 villages”!

I think it is more like a couple of 100 (in total), not 65.

What 74LB forgets is that this crime was committed by some EOKA-B thugs. Those people, along with the coupists, where the people we were fighting against between 15th of july and 20th of July.

We never supported the actions of EOKA-B, only a tiny minority did so.
On the other hand, the vast majority of TCs fully support the criminal Turkish invasion which was the cause of so many deaths, atrocities and suffering.

What 74LB forgets is that this crime was committed by some EOKA-B thugs. Those people, along with the coupists, where the people we were fighting against between 15th of july and 20th of July.

And after this date you decided to join them ?
Wonderful.

[Bananiot]

But, we were told only recently, and Piratis did not object to this, that the coup was performed by the junta and that EOKA B could not be held responsible because it did not exist in july 1974 because it was disbanded in January of the same year. On the same line, the murders committed in Aloa, Sandalaris and Maratha cannot be put down to EOKA B. Piratis, you can always go back to your comparison, thousands gainst hundreds ...

Please take note: All those that point an accusing finger at the other side have one sole aim. To reduce the chances of the ongoing talks for a comprehensive solution to zero. We are engaging in serious talk to find a solution that will end the division and save our island from destruction. We should be very careful of what we say and what we do (attacks on TC's in the south). The rejectionists, reactionaries etc have had it their way for too long. This is the time for peace-loving Cypriots to stand up to them and show them that they are an insignificant fraction of sick individuals who have no place in modern times. In this effort there are no Greek and turkish Cypriots. we are all one, brothers and sisters in struggle, to save our island.

[Get Real!]

Piratis, your response is still sad, but expected. You are almost justifying the wiping out of 3 villages, one of which was my mothers.

Quit exaggerating… a total of 65 dead is NOT a “wiping out of 3 villages”!

Every single person that they could get their hands on was killed. While the menfolk were in prison camps in Limassol their villages were wiped out.

Go visit my mothers villages of Sandallar and see what remains - a handful of families rebuilding their lives. It will never be the same.

And you call this exaggerating

Why would I need to go visit your mother’s village when I’ve got thousands of my own to worry about?

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus21136.html

As I said, go lodge your complaint with Donktosh who got on the phone and convinced Turkey to invade and quit wasting our time with the drop in the ocean.

[zan]

Piratis, your response is still sad, but expected. You are almost justifying the wiping out of 3 villages, one of which was my mothers.

Quit exaggerating… a total of 65 dead is NOT a “wiping out of 3 villages”!

Every single person that they could get their hands on was killed. While the menfolk were in prison camps in Limassol their villages were wiped out.

Go visit my mothers villages of Sandallar and see what remains - a handful of families rebuilding their lives. It will never be the same.

And you call this exaggerating

Why would I need to go visit your mother’s village when I’ve got thousands of my own to worry about?

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus21136.html

As I said, go lodge your complaint with Donktosh who got on the phone and convinced Turkey to invade and quit wasting our time with the drop in the ocean.

I suppose he should have phoned Makarios and Greece and thanked them instead....

[Get Real!]

Piratis, your response is still sad, but expected. You are almost justifying the wiping out of 3 villages, one of which was my mothers.

Quit exaggerating… a total of 65 dead is NOT a “wiping out of 3 villages”!

Every single person that they could get their hands on was killed. While the menfolk were in prison camps in Limassol their villages were wiped out.

Go visit my mothers villages of Sandallar and see what remains - a handful of families rebuilding their lives. It will never be the same.

And you call this exaggerating

Why would I need to go visit your mother’s village when I’ve got thousands of my own to worry about?

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus21136.html

As I said, go lodge your complaint with Donktosh who got on the phone and convinced Turkey to invade and quit wasting our time with the drop in the ocean.

I suppose he should have phoned Makarios and Greece and thanked them instead....

He should've kept his mouth shut and worried about how to restore the legit govt of Cyprus as per the agreements he signed, that’s what!

As I said, the next time you see Donktosh ask him why some GCs killed those 200 odd TCs.

[zan]

Piratis, your response is still sad, but expected. You are almost justifying the wiping out of 3 villages, one of which was my mothers.

Quit exaggerating… a total of 65 dead is NOT a “wiping out of 3 villages”!

Every single person that they could get their hands on was killed. While the menfolk were in prison camps in Limassol their villages were wiped out.

Go visit my mothers villages of Sandallar and see what remains - a handful of families rebuilding their lives. It will never be the same.

And you call this exaggerating

Why would I need to go visit your mother’s village when I’ve got thousands of my own to worry about?

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus21136.html

As I said, go lodge your complaint with Donktosh who got on the phone and convinced Turkey to invade and quit wasting our time with the drop in the ocean.

I suppose he should have phoned Makarios and Greece and thanked them instead....

He should've kept his mouth shut and worried about how to restore the legit govt of Cyprus as per the agreements he signed, that’s what!

As I said, the next time you see Donktosh ask him why some GCs killed those 200 odd TCs.

It was their own fault I suppose.....

you have been given evidence as to why Makarios and his regime did not allow us back into anything and you expected Denktas to sit back and watch as you killed each other and then started on us....FFS Have you got an ounce of sense in that head of yours???[/i]

[Get Real!]

As I said, the next time you see Donktosh ask him why some GCs killed those 200 odd TCs.

It was their own fault I suppose.....

you have been given evidence as to why Makarios and his regime did not allow us back into anything and you expected Denktas to sit back and watch as you killed each other and then started on us....FFS Have you got an ounce of sense in that head of yours???[/i]

Just ask him this...

Why do you suppose that up to and including the day the Turkish "intervention" took place, not a single Turkish Cypriot had lost their life yet once the Turkish operations got started we ended up with 200 dead?

[zan]

As I said, the next time you see Donktosh ask him why some GCs killed those 200 odd TCs.

It was their own fault I suppose.....

you have been given evidence as to why Makarios and his regime did not allow us back into anything and you expected Denktas to sit back and watch as you killed each other and then started on us....FFS Have you got an ounce of sense in that head of yours???[/i]

Just ask him this...

Why do you suppose that up to and including the day the Turkish "intervention" took place, not a single Turkish Cypriot had lost their life yet once the Turkish operations got started we ended up with 200 dead?

The whole world and his dog was warning of a Turkish intervention if a single TC was touched...Maybe they were actually listening to this little piece of advice??? When the guns and tanks went off in Cyprus then the Turks got a bit jittery.....Maybe by then they thought fuck it and went for Taksim anyway because the Coup brought even more uncertainty to the TC people....I haven't found it yet, more because I haven't had the time to research it, but I have always wondered what extra advantages the coup would have brought to the Greeks as to claim on the entire island...I suspect that the coup was staged on a greater idea.....I will do the homework one day and see what I come up with.