YFred wrote:Piratis wrote:YFred wrote:Piratis wrote:zan wrote:Piratis wrote:zan wrote:Get Real! wrote:Piratis wrote:Get Real! wrote:74LB wrote:Piratis, your response is still sad, but expected. You are almost justifying the wiping out of 3 villages, one of which was my mothers.
Quit exaggerating… a total of 65 dead is NOT a “wiping out of 3 villages”!
I think it is more like a couple of 100 (in total), not 65.
What 74LB forgets is that this crime was committed by some EOKA-B thugs. Those people, along with the coupists, where the people we were fighting against between 15th of july and 20th of July.
We never supported the actions of EOKA-B, only a tiny minority did so.
On the other hand, the vast majority of TCs fully support the criminal Turkish invasion which was the cause of so many deaths, atrocities and suffering.
You’re right, I found the following figures…
Tochni: 69 Aloa: 57 Maratha: 88
Still though, that’s not “entire villages” unless these villages were under 100 residents in which case they don’t even qualify as Cypriot villages!
The truth is, they’ve only got Denktash to blame who thought that GCs killing each other during the coup were taking too long so he thought of speeding up the process by inviting Turkey! But then when the GC reprisals against TCs took place all of a sudden he didn’t like it… fancy that!
Thats right GR.....You guys were sitting in Cafes drinking Turkish coffee while us bad Turks came and spoiled your fun....FFS
No mate, at that time there was a coup in Cyprus (like the many coups that happened in Turkey) and we were fighting against the coupists (how much resistance was there against the coups in Turkey by the way?). You found that weak moment of Cyprus as a good chance for you to put into action the plan you had since the 50s and attack us, start killing and ethnically cleansing Greek Cypriots in order to implement your partition plan. And in the war you started, you of course also had some casulties.
So I ask you again. When you were invading us, did you though that you would manage to commit the perfect crime against us, where you would kill 1000s and ethnically cleanse 100s of thousands, while suffering no casualties yourselves?
You WERE the bloody coupists you nutter....Now you want us to believe you were on the side of the peaceful Cypriots.
You will find none.
What I always support is the right of the Cypriot people to democratically decide the destiny of their own island, and fight against any small minorities of extremists who want to force their will in an undemocratic way.
You and the coupists are very similar. You both think that you have the right to undemocratically force your own ideas by attacking and killing others. So I fight against both of you, because I believe in democracy and the self-determination right of Cypriots.
In 1974 we first fought against the coupists, and then against the TC extremists and the Turkish invaders. That is the fact.
Piratis, you only have one blind spot. What you fail to understand is forcing democratically ones will on another is just as wrong. British finally came to their senses and gave Scotland and Wales the chance to choose to stay or make it on their own. Guess what, they chose to stay. You cannot force your will on anyone else no matter how much of a minority, particularly in Cyprus with the racism that the Cypriots suffered.
I have personal experience of this. This is not about one individual. My father used to grow wheat. Until 1974, the GC government classified his wheat as second class, and paid less for it. So what you might say. May be it was. Well it wasn't because my father asked his best Greek friend to help and he took the same grain in as first class. This is only one situation which affected every single farmer every single year.
What you failed to realise is the effect this has on TC's. Until the GC wake up to all the wrongs done in their name, we will not have peace. That is why your expectation of one man one vote, everyone to their homes cannot take place at this time. That does not mean that it will never happen. Your stance if taken by the majority of GCs will almost definitely lead to full partition and possible no return of land as there will be no agreement.
The Scots and the Welsh are in fact the majority in their respective countries for as long (at least) as the English in England. So Scotland belongs to the Scottish and Wales to the Welsh.
A similar example to that would be the Kurds in Kurdistan.
The TCs in Cyprus do not own a separate part of the island. The TCs are a minority which was created on our island during a relatively recent colonial rule.
We didn't force you to came to Cyprus neither we ever wanted to force our will on you. On the contrary it is you who came to our island with the aim to enslave and oppress us. What we want is to be free and have our self-determination on our island which has been denied to us by foreign invaders such as the Turks and the British.
You have no right to deny democracy and self-determination to Cyprus, and attacking us in order to force undemocratically your will on the Cypriot people is the cause of the conflicts and wars in Cyprus. You should finally allow Cyprus to be free and democratic if you want peace.
But Britain had been a sovereign democratic state for hundreds of years and both the Scots and the Welsh were part of it legally. How far do you want to go back. Or is it as far as it suits you. My understanding is that before and during the Greek Cypriot occupation of Cyprus, they were bunch of pirates, which is why Osmanli’s invaded in 1570. I also suspect thet Cyprus was so insignificant to Osmanli’s that they would never have invaded had your kind and possibly mine not raided their gold laden ships from Egypt.
I agree with you regarding the Kurdish people, they have the right to determine their future and should be given the right to determine it.
But surely you must see the irony of what Turkey is doing to the Kurds, you would like to do to the TCs. You keep going back to TC’s being foreign. You really need to appreciate that TC’s like the Bosnians were not all Osmanli, there are lots of converts. You classifying all TCs as being foreign even morally is racist and incorrect. Legally speaking I would like to see the court that would enforce such a judgement, so long as the judge, prosecutor and the jury are not all GC.
There is something called reality check. Your stand point is exactly the same as the Israelis claiming the Palestinian lands because god gave it to them and it's in the tora.
You make good bedfellows with the Israelis. Only one difference between you. They have the muscle to enforce it.
Cyprus has been a civilized island for 1000s of years, and you come here to tell us that we were a "bunch of pirates" and to try to excuse your invasion against our island?
The Scots and the Welsh have been in their lands for as long as the English did. The Kurds in Asia Minor existed there for long before the Turks. So don't confuse irrelevant things. The Turks in Cyprus are a minority product of a relatively recent colonialism, like the Turks in Greece or Bulgaria, or the whites in Africa.
I never asked you to be treated as the Kurds are treated in Turkey. what I ask if for freedom to Cyprus, self-determination to our island, and the people in the Turkish minority in Cyprus can be equal citizens like everybody else.
You are using the big guns of Turkey in order to have unfair gains on the expense of everybody else, and this is what causes the conflict.
Your Hellenic rants are what you are mate.....Your claim of Cyprus for Greece is what you are fella....We ALL know what you are..... 
