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[detailer]

I don't know from which country you originate from but when you will have a referendum in your country that will decide if 2/3rd of your property will evaporate and go in the hands of those who stole it from you then yes you re free to behave much much more politely to those who will vote yes. To tell you the truth if such a referendum was carried in ANY european country the people would go on revolution-not go to vote for such a shit.

You are corrupting the Annan plan again;

morfou and all around greek villages, greek famagusta, some villages between famagusta and nicosia were going to be given,

+ 1/3 of the rest which you had before,

This two make half of you left anyway.

+ compensation

+ what TC left in south.

So you were not going to make you lose material value. Your problem with the plan it has some bi-zonality.

[magikthrill]

my moms property is no where in morphou "greek" famagusta "some" villages between famagusta and nicosia.

therefor 2/3 of our property "Evaporates"

[suetoniuspaulinus]

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Yes I know. While the TC politicians were busy exploiting to the fullest their own people forcing huge numbers to uneployement/import of settlers/emmigration of TCs, our GC politicians were busy selling out our rights. Clerides was the last one.When Papadopoulos took over could not even think the Anan Plan was a trap, a sale out scheme prepared with the consent of our own people.Therefore he’s fallen into the trap.When he realised what was going on it was too late. We are now still paying the price.

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Mr MicAtCyp

Do you mean to say that Greece, EU, UN, Turkey US and TC's laid a trap for GC's and you fell into it by voting NO ?

Isn't this a little paranoid?

Why do yo have so many enemies?

[erolz]

My approach is that that we should apply what is legal, and create something based on democracy and human rights.

Is a BBF legal? Is the force repatriation of 'settlers' that came here in 70's and paid for their homes legal? Is forcing TC to accept a status of political minority in their own homeland or even poltical minority with some 'extra' rights when the legal consitituion of their country gives them much more than this legal?

However your approach is that GCs should be punished

My approach is you should understand why things like political equality are so important to TC based on how GC behaved towards TC in the period 60-74. It's not about punishment. It's about understanding our cocerns and why we have these concerns. My approach is you should understand why a return to the situation prior to Turkish action in 74 is not a solution for TC but simply restoring the problem that TC has from 60-74. My approach is you should understand how little regard the GC commuity showed for TC, human rights, legailty in the period 60-74 and why that now affects what we consider as requirments of a solution.

[Piratis]

Is a BBF legal?

No

Is the force repatriation of 'settlers' that came here in 70's and paid for their homes legal?

Most definitely. They came here illegally

Is forcing TC to accept a status of political minority in their own homeland or even poltical minority with some 'extra' rights when the legal consitituion of their country gives them much more than this legal?

TCs will get nothing less and nothing more than what the legal constitution says.

There is only one thing legal, and this is the 1960 agreements, which as a matter of fact are very favorable to TCs and not to GCs.

So the only thing legal is the 1960 agreements. After we return to legality, if we agree we can change it to something different. If not we are left with the 1960 agreements.

My approach is you should understand how little regard the GC commuity showed for TC, human rights, legailty in the period 60-74 and why that now affects what we consider as requirments of a solution.

With the same logic I could ask from TCs to get less than their legal rights because of the 100x more suffering that they caused to us.

Why you should get more and us less than what is agreed??? If you think that you should get more because we caused suffering to you, then using the same logic we should also get more because of the suffering that you caused to us. As you can see, there is no way we will come to an agreement if you think in this way.

[erolz]

There is only one thing legal, and this is the 1960 agreements, which as a matter of fact are very favorable to TCs and not to GCs.

Which is why from 63 the GC majority ignored the 'legal' route and instead used their 'balance of power' to insitute an 'illegal' staus quo in Cyprus and cared not one jot for the TC communites losses under this illegal system.

So the only thing legal is the 1960 agreements. After we return to legality, if we agree we can change it to something different. If not we are left with the 1960 agreements.

But GC would not accept this legailty in 63, 64,65, etc etc up till 74. The all of a sudden I am supposed to believ that GC are comitted to this 1960 legailty?

Why you should get more and us less than what is agreed??? If you think that you should get more because we caused suffering to you, then using the same logic we should also get more because of the suffering that you caused to us. As you can see, there is no way we will come to an agreement if you think in this way.

What you have to understand is we had an agreement and you broke that agreement with impunity. Yes we played a pert in that break down - but you (poltical leaders) wanted that break down, planned that break down and persued that break down to take what was 'legaly' ours from us and what ever part we played ourse;lves you would have done the same as you did. You used force and balance of power to break and ignore that agreement (and again we used our lesser force to resist and some degree actively undermine the agreements - but again it we had not it would not have changed your actions). You cared not at all for this breaking of the agreement until you in turn as a consequence of this lost somehting you did care about. Why should we once again trust an agreement will protect us and our rights when it failed to do so the first time round? We do not want more. We want to know that our rights and security will be protected - exactly because the 'legal' agreements of 1960 did not protect either our rights or our basic security. This then is the 'inconsequential' part of our history you want me to forget when we talk of a 'return to legailty' or of an 'agreed settlement'.

[Kifeas]

I don't know from which country you originate from but when you will have a referendum in your country that will decide if 2/3rd of your property will evaporate and go in the hands of those who stole it from you then yes you re free to behave much much more politely to those who will vote yes. To tell you the truth if such a referendum was carried in ANY european country the people would go on revolution-not go to vote for such a shit.

You are corrupting the Annan plan again;

morfou and all around greek villages, greek famagusta, some villages between famagusta and nicosia were going to be given,

+ 1/3 of the rest which you had before,

This two make half of you left anyway.

+ compensation

+ what TC left in south.

So you were not going to make you lose material value. Your problem with the plan it has some bi-zonality.

You are not quite right with your assumptions and calculations.

[detailer]

I don't know from which country you originate from but when you will have a referendum in your country that will decide if 2/3rd of your property will evaporate and go in the hands of those who stole it from you then yes you re free to behave much much more politely to those who will vote yes. To tell you the truth if such a referendum was carried in ANY european country the people would go on revolution-not go to vote for such a shit.

You are corrupting the Annan plan again;

morfou and all around greek villages, greek famagusta, some villages between famagusta and nicosia were going to be given,

+ 1/3 of the rest which you had before,

This two make half of you left anyway.

+ compensation

+ what TC left in south.

So you were not going to make you lose material value. Your problem with the plan it has some bi-zonality.

You are not quite right with your assumptions and calculations.

why not?

[Kifeas]

I don't know from which country you originate from but when you will have a referendum in your country that will decide if 2/3rd of your property will evaporate and go in the hands of those who stole it from you then yes you re free to behave much much more politely to those who will vote yes. To tell you the truth if such a referendum was carried in ANY european country the people would go on revolution-not go to vote for such a shit.

You are corrupting the Annan plan again;

morfou and all around greek villages, greek famagusta, some villages between famagusta and nicosia were going to be given,

+ 1/3 of the rest which you had before,

This two make half of you left anyway.

+ compensation

+ what TC left in south.

So you were not going to make you lose material value. Your problem with the plan it has some bi-zonality.

You are not quite right with your assumptions and calculations.

why not?

I am a bit tired now and I have to go and catch some sleep. I will give you the real version tomorrow, if you do not mind.

[Piratis]

Erolz,
Sure maybe GCs have more fault in that decade, but thats about it. What about the centuries that you didn't even bother to make an agreement with us because you used us as slaves, and the decades that you performed ethnic cleansing against us???

You are trying to show that GCs have more fault and have to be punished, however the TCs have 100 times more fault, and yet you expect to be rewarded on our expense!

Anyways, lets assume that what you did to us from 74 until today can be excused by what we did to you in 63-74. Using the same logic what we did to you in 63-74 can be excused by what you did to us in the centuries that you were oppressing us. Also what you do to us now, can excuse what we will do to you in the future. Is this ok with you?

There are two ways:
1) let the past behind and start fresh on universally accepted principles like democracy and human rights based on what we have already agreed in 1960.

2) Continue the circle of blood.

Which one is going to be?

If you expect from us to accept and legalize anything from the illegal situation you created (partition, settlers etc) you can forget about it. We will not declare defeat if thats what you expected.