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[erolz]

Don't worry, I am sure the goverments of both Cyprus and Greece will do what they can in fact do, when they realize that Turks do not understand from soft policies and trying to be nice to them is useless.

but up till now they have not done what they can out of compassion and concern for TC community in Cyprus?

former????

It is 'former' in the sense that since 74 the GC that owned the land do not currently have any control over it. The use of former carries no 'moral judgments' in my usage of it - it is merely a 'descriptor' for land that used to be controled by GC before 74 and is not now - whatever the rights and wrongs of that situatiuon are.

Anyways, what did we expect from uncivilized barbarians that know nothing more than stealing what others created.

You patent love and concern for the TC community in Cyprus is overwhealming Its good to see your views softening. It was not that long ago when according to you all we (Turks) knew how to do was rape steal and kill. Now at least all we know how to do according to you is steal. I guess thats 'progress'? Oh and since when did the great GC civilisation discover the secret of creating land? I must have missed this wonderous advance of the human race by Greek culture in the sheer volume of all the other such wonderous advancements they contrinuted to humanity.

[LANDJO]

Piratis,

You are proclaiming a view of the TC's as suffering from occupation, just like the GC's. I have not met one single TC who sees himself this way. The TC support the occupation/presence of Turkish troops on the island (although they do have concerns about the settlers); they are their safeguard. They also support their state, although they would of course prefer a solution.

If I were in that position, and the RoC came up to me and said 'you are under occupation, you are living in an illegal state; in fact, most of what you do is illegal, but we'll let you off this time because you don't know what you are doing', what would your reaction be?

Second, where can I find what you claim articulated as a government policy? My efforts so far have been fruitless.


Gabaston,

There are two reasons why I (and the world) did not listen. The first was that I never heard you. The message never got through. The second was that Turkey, until recently, has been considered a violence prone, overmilitarized, and downright jingoistic state. Accusing them of expansionism rang true to European ears. And it still does to the masses (see France).

On the other hand, I have not met one single educated foreigner in Nicosia who do not, privately, have at least a differentiated view of the problem. The Annan plan rejection changed a lot.

[Piratis]

You patent love and concern for the TC community in Cyprus is overwhealming

Claiming that our land is "former" shows what you are. I simply said the obvious. Civilized people would never consider their own what was stolen from others with violent ways. So sorry, I am trying to see people like you in a positive way, but you are not helping me. And what I said is for you and the others that consider our land as "former", not for the whole TC community since in this community people exist that are just victims of the turkish occupation like us.

[gabaston]

landjo

thankx for answering.

i basically have the same opinion as you-
what i truly find amazing is the extent to which the annan rejection has altered international opinion.

[erolz]

Claiming that our land is "former" shows what you are.

No it shows that you will interpret what you want to interpret from my use of this label for such land such that it helps you reinforce your perjudices.

You want to believe that I think land used to be in GC hands prior to 74 is nor morally and leggaly not GC any more and thus choose to see my use of the word former as 'proof' of this. It is not. It is just a label the differenciates theis category of land from any other category. You think you know what my usage of former means but I know what it means because I am the one using it. Even when I explain to you that such usage by me carries no moral judgments about the land or justification of the current ownership - you still choose to believe it does.

Civilized people would never consider their own what was stolen from others with violent ways.

Like the RoC you mean, that was stolen from us prior to 74? Would civilised people claim that all of a given ethnic group / race know only hoe to kill steal and rape. Would civilised people threaten to put a bullet in the head of 'criminals' without any trial or due process and against their own laws?

So sorry, I am trying to see people like you in a positive way, but you are not helping me.

No your are not. You may believe you are but in fact you have a ntion in your head about TC and what we think and believe and what we are like as people and you then choose to interpret things said to fit this notion imo.

And what I said is for you and the others that consider our land as "former", not for the whole TC community since in this community people exist that are just victims of the turkish occupation like us.

Did you control this land prior to 74? Do you control it now? Do you understand that some label has to be used to descibed this land? Can you not understand that the land is land that you 'formerly' controled and that my use of 'control' rather than 'own' is expicitly used so as to not be 'polticial' or a seens as justification for the current lack of control of this land by GC.

[tcklim]

The rejection of the Annan plan did indeed hugely change the perceptions of the world...

Prior to that, growing up in Limassol and reading the media all the time, it truly painted a picture of the TC's being unappreciative and not wanting a a solution, and painting the GC's as compassionate, doing their best to get things going and get a solution that is fair and balanced....

After the Annan plan, my view is completely reversed.... and especially after reading the GC view on this forum, it seems that it is indeed the TC's who have been trying to reach out to the GCs and the GCs telling them to go shove it, not the other way around...

And Piratis, I don't know where you get your warped concept of "civilized" from. You sound like Hitler about to perform genocide on Turkey, you racist turd. And you're talking about civilized?

last time I checked... Democracy was based on the ability of people to speak their mind. How then, were GCs in favour of the NAI vote supposed to speak their mind, when simply saying that was their position or sticking a sticker on their car might end up with them being beaten up with stick and their cars stolen. Especially the school-kids. Damn! Do you call this a civilized, fair vote? Because I see it as a completely uncivilized, pathetic excuse for a vote.... the Iraqi elections were more civilized than this. There are a lot of examples of civilization gone wrong on the Greek side as well... just because you are officially part of the "EU" doesn't mean you are civilized. You have forgotten Cyprus heritage is of very mixed cultures, not just Greek..... open your eyes.

As long as ignorance like this plagues the minds.... there is no light in sight.

I'm sorry to the TC's to have to listen to some of this racism. Not everyone here is like that and maybe one day a solution will be found. Not with this generation, and not until parents stop spouting hatred to their kids about TC's ..... sad to say

[brother]

Dear tcklim,

that was a very balanced and decent write up of the situation but knowing people like you exist, in my mind it is when not if the cyprus solution will come.
Next time i am in cyprus i would really like to meet and have a coffee(on me of course) and hope you are around and you will come

Best Regards

Brother

[Kifeas]

last time I checked... Democracy was based on the ability of people to speak their mind. How then, were GCs in favour of the NAI vote supposed to speak their mind, when simply saying that was their position or sticking a sticker on their car might end up with them being beaten up with stick and their cars stolen. Especially the school-kids. Damn! Do you call this a civilized, fair vote? Because I see it as a completely uncivilized, pathetic excuse for a vote.... the Iraqi elections were more civilized than this. There are a lot of examples of civilization gone wrong on the Greek side as well... just because you are officially part of the "EU" doesn't mean you are civilized. You have forgotten Cyprus heritage is of very mixed cultures, not just Greek..... open your eyes.

Reading just this paragraph of yours, I have absolutely no doubt, not only about the fact that you do not know what you are talking about, but also about your very intentions for writing it.

Never the less! Can you possibly tell us how many people you know that were beaten up or for having their cars stolen, just because they had a “NAI” sticker on their car? And do not just give that one single isolated incident of that English Scholl kid, which Cyprus Mail once reported. Unless you believe that just one isolated example is enough for you or anyone else to claim that the 76% “OXI” result of the referendum, was the outcome of undemocratic procedures.

By the way, do you know how many kids beat each other, end up hospitalised and how many cars get destroyed across Cyprus every weekend, before, during and after the end of football matches? Yet, football stadiums are always filled up with spectators accompanied even by women and Children.

It is so unfortunate for someone to just begging his participation into a forum where the Cyprus issue is discussed, with the loading of a single posting full of ranting. You labelled your self, right from start, to be a non-objective and a profoundly opinionated interlocutor.

[Piratis]

Did you control this land prior to 74? Do you control it now? Do you understand that some label has to be used to descibed this land?

The way to describe this land is easy: "GC land under Turkish occupation", or you disagree? Maybe you believe it is your land? Or it is our land and we voluntarily choose not to control it?

Like the RoC you mean, that was stolen from us prior to 74?

Nothing was stolen from you, you choose to leave by yourselves. RoC is here, come and take what you legally own. Can you say the same for our properties and human rights?

and especially after reading the GC view on this forum, it seems that it is indeed the TC's who have been trying to reach out to the GCs and the GCs telling them to go shove it, not the other way around...

They are trying to reach out for the GCs? Are you serious? What they want is to legalize their illegalities. It is like if a rapist comes and fucks your sister every day and then he comes and wants to be your friend, but without stopping to rape your sister, only to rape her less!! This is what the TCs want.
They want the continuation of the violation of our human rights, they want the illegal settlers to stay, they want disguised partition, they are doing their best to even legalize "TRNC" and then you tell me that they are trying to reach out to the GCs? They only GC part they are trying to reach out is our pockets, nothing else.

And Piratis, I don't know where you get your warped concept of "civilized" from. You sound like Hitler about to perform genocide on Turkey, you racist turd. And you're talking about civilized?

What hypocrites!! The ones that performed the Armenian genocide, ethnically cleansed 1/3rd of Cyprus from the people that lived there for 3500 years and who actually choose to remain neutral in the war against Hitler come here to accuse me that I sound like Hitler. What HYPOCRITES!!!!

How then, were GCs in favour of the NAI vote supposed to speak their mind, when simply saying that was their position or sticking a sticker on their car might end up with them being beaten up with stick and their cars stolen.

Bullshit. The "YES" supporters were on TV and radio all day and all night and they were very loud compared to their numbers because of the American support to them. (remember the Americans, the ones that threatened us that a thousand bricks will fall on us if we vote no?")

As long as ignorance like this plagues the minds.... there is no light in sight.

I agree. Too bad that ignorant people like you will always exist.

I'm sorry to the TC's to have to listen to some of this racism.

You know, listening to racism is SOOOO much better than the racist ACTIONS that you perform against us for 30 years and you want to continue with them indefinitely. Your hypocrisy is really limitless.

[Kifeas]

After the Annan plan, my view is completely reversed.... and especially after reading the GC view on this forum, it seems that it is indeed the TC's who have been trying to reach out to the GCs and the GCs telling them to go shove it, not the other way around...

Oh yeah? Really?!