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[insan]

Actually, in 1998 we had stronger and more reliable evidence of crimes committed by the Turkish army but somehow, nobody bothered at the time. A book by Sofia Iordanidou describes the experience of Yialtsin Kucuk, a university professor now and a young army officer during the second phase of Attila. He lived in self exile since 1993 in France where he wrote more than 40 books. He was prosecuted a number of times in Turkey because of his books and his articles that appeared in some Turkish newspapers. He eventually returned to Turkey where he was immediately arrested and imprisoned. It was the Demirel administration that was in power when Kucuk returned.

His book “dalga – dalga” (waves – waves) was presented to the Greek society in Athens in 1998 on August 26. This book constitutes the first testimony of war crimes committed in Cyprus by the Turkish army and it came more that 10 years after the confession of this Olgac actor, who sounds and looks more than a bit of a sensationalist attention-seeking individual. Kucuk is a serious person and what he wrote in his book was devastating. After he left Athens, he headed straight to Turkey where on the 29 of the same month he was arrested and imprisoned.

When asked why he was returning to Turkey he said that he was no hero and that he was scared of prison. Citing the famous verse of Nazim Hikmet, “if I don’t get burned, if you do not get burned, how will light shine through darkness” he said that living away from home is a prison too. Asking the GC’s not to think of him with pity he explained that all he was asking was for light, more light, and he concluded that without sacrifice the truth could not surface.

Bananiot, who is this Yialtsin Kucuk(yalcin kucuk/yalçın küçük). My google searches produce many results just for 1 Yalcin Kucuk and that is the one who arrested among the suspected Ergeneokon members, a few weeks ago.

[Bananiot]

That is him.

[insan]

That is him.

Hmm.. an ex-Stalinist, late Kemalist, "brother" of Abduallh Ocalan, Sabetaist(Donmeh- http://www.kheper.net/topics/Kabbalah/Donmeh-FAQs.htm), suspected of Ergenekon... Weird...

[samarkeolog]

He called them mukavement mucahit (iceman or halil, can you help here?).

I think mukavemet mucahit(ler) means resistance fighter(s). TMT was Turk Mukavemet Teskilati, the Turkish Resistance Organisation, and later, people called them simply mucahitler, (the) fighters.

[Nikitas]

muca HITLER! What a strange linguistic coincidence!

Bananiot, you ask yourself why we did not raise a fuss in 1998 when the original confessions of Kucuk were made.

Well. who was in the government back then? Who instituted and who continued the "good boy" policy under which we bend over backwards to prove we obey the edicts of the west and make no waves?

[Kikapu]

muca HITLER! What a strange linguistic coincidence!

Bananiot, you ask yourself why we did not raise a fuss in 1998 when the original confessions of Kucuk were made.

Well. who was in the government back then? Who instituted and who continued the "good boy" policy under which we bend over backwards to prove we obey the edicts of the west and make no waves?

What would have been the point to raise any fuss back then, Nikitas. Turkey would have ignored them as she has any and all other UN resolutions regarding Cyprus. The timing now is of course much more important, only because Turkey wants to be in the EU, and Cyprus is already in the EU. 2004 changed everything, and those who thinks Cyprus's veto vote is meaningless, are only crying in their milk in private, but are putting up a brave face in public.!

Here is what Erdogan said recently;

"The Greek Cypriot administration's EU entry in 2004 in the absence of a comprehensive resolution to the Cyprus issue was "inappropriate," Erdoğan said. "Shouldn't we recognize this reality? Should we swallow it?" he asked.
"It is not swallow-able at all."

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... c&start=40


"It is not swallow-able at all."

Say's it all, really.!

[doesntmatter]

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John Akritas January 29, 2009

Olgac now wants us to believe that his description of war crimes was a figment of his imagination and, indeed, a plethora of the actor´s associates have been put up to assert that Olgac is, among other things, unbalanced, a weakling and a fantasist.

Olgac´s original story may or may not be true;

By: John AKRITAS

Veeeeeeeeeeeeeery interesting!

[saravakos]

Barbarians

[RAFAELLA]

Actually, in 1998 we had stronger and more reliable evidence of crimes committed by the Turkish army but somehow, nobody bothered at the time. A book by Sofia Iordanidou describes the experience of Yialtsin Kucuk, a university professor now and a young army officer during the second phase of Attila. He lived in self exile since 1993 in France where he wrote more than 40 books. He was prosecuted a number of times in Turkey because of his books and his articles that appeared in some Turkish newspapers. He eventually returned to Turkey where he was immediately arrested and imprisoned. It was the Demirel administration that was in power when Kucuk returned.

His book “dalga – dalga” (waves – waves) was presented to the Greek society in Athens in 1998 on August 26. This book constitutes the first testimony of war crimes committed in Cyprus by the Turkish army and it came more that 10 years after the confession of this Olgac actor, who sounds and looks more than a bit of a sensationalist attention-seeking individual. Kucuk is a serious person and what he wrote in his book was devastating. After he left Athens, he headed straight to Turkey where on the 29 of the same month he was arrested and imprisoned.

When asked why he was returning to Turkey he said that he was no hero and that he was scared of prison. Citing the famous verse of Nazim Hikmet, “if I don’t get burned, if you do not get burned, how will light shine through darkness” he said that living away from home is a prison too. Asking the GC’s not to think of him with pity he explained that all he was asking was for light, more light, and he concluded that without sacrifice the truth could not surface.

Bananiot, as far as I know the CyR gov took into account the testimony of Kucuk and used it as an evidence/prove at the Cyprus v. Turkey, application no 25781/94, at the European Court of Human Rights.
As it was expected Turkey was found guilty:

The Court held that there had been the following 14 violations of the Convention (see Decision of the Court for details):

Greek-Cypriot missing persons and their relatives

- a continuing violation of Article 2 (right to life) of the Convention concerning the failure of the authorities of the respondent State to conduct an effective investigation into the whereabouts and fate of Greek-Cypriot missing persons who disappeared in life-threatening circumstances;

- a continuing violation of Article 5 (right to liberty and security) concerning the failure of the Turkish authorities to conduct an effective investigation into the whereabouts and fate of the Greek-Cypriot missing persons in respect of whom there was an arguable claim that they were in Turkish custody at the time of their disappearance;

- a continuing violation of Article 3 (prohibition of inhuman or degrading treatment) in that the silence of the Turkish authorities in the face of the real concerns of the relatives attained a level of severity which could only be categorised as inhuman treatment.
http://www.echr.coe.int/Eng/Press/2001/ ... epress.htm

[RAFAELLA]

VP, Zan and other supporters of The Turkish Piss Operation and its Annexation Plans, your comments please.

Dear Oracle, you do not need anybody's comment as the post of Doesntmatter has covered all of the VP, Zan & Co .

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John Akritas January 29, 2009

Olgac now wants us to believe that his description of war crimes was a figment of his imagination and, indeed, a plethora of the actor´s associates have been put up to assert that Olgac is, among other things, unbalanced, a weakling and a fantasist.

Olgac´s original story may or may not be true;

By: John AKRITAS

Veeeeeeeeeeeeeery interesting!