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[denizaksulu]

So many Turks killed by Turks in "friendly" fire! Yet with sophisticated communication to avoid such calamities, being priority, they still happened.

But with evidence for such big mistakes, being hard to hide and therefore now well known; can we really believe they did not "friendly fire" at Turkish Cypriots? A few dozen casualties here, a few scores there. Isolated villagers. Shot, shelled, bombed. Houses ruined. People buried. Walk away ....

Why are the TCs covering up for them? Does it really make things easier for you to believe only the GCs could have caused you casualties and some to be forever missing?

Even "Kyrenia" once he realised what his proud exclamation of ZERO casualties of TCs at the hands of Turks, really meant (a perfectly executed Genocide of GCs) ... has started retracting his statement (much in fashion amongst the Turks at the moment).

Until such things are proven, it is only fair, that the TCs acknowledge that at least some of their missing and dead from 1974 are a direct result of Turkish "friendly fire" (some deliberate as Deniz has kindly proffered) ...

(There were of course many "Turk on TC" casualties in earlier stages of our history).

Only statistics after all .....

Thank you Oracle. Another 'nail in my coffin' as I meekly put it. There are truths that will be hidden as it does not suit the 'extremeist' or partitionists ideals. The people who told me had no reason to lie to me. They felt ashamed that it had happened. The circunstances were not very 'heroic'. Even though it is 'hearsay' 'no fire, no smoke'. I cant believe that it is statistically significant.

Don't worry Deniz!

I will protect you..

Thank you 'Basil Brush'!!. I will haunt you for a long time to come.Grrrr


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[zan]

So many Turks killed by Turks in "friendly" fire! Yet with sophisticated communication to avoid such calamities, being priority, they still happened.

But with evidence for such big mistakes, being hard to hide and therefore now well known; can we really believe they did not "friendly fire" at Turkish Cypriots? A few dozen casualties here, a few scores there. Isolated villagers. Shot, shelled, bombed. Houses ruined. People buried. Walk away ....

Why are the TCs covering up for them? Does it really make things easier for you to believe only the GCs could have caused you casualties and some to be forever missing?

Even "Kyrenia" once he realised what his proud exclamation of ZERO casualties of TCs at the hands of Turks, really meant (a perfectly executed Genocide of GCs) ... has started retracting his statement (much in fashion amongst the Turks at the moment).

Until such things are proven, it is only fair, that the TCs acknowledge that at least some of their missing and dead from 1974 are a direct result of Turkish "friendly fire" (some deliberate as Deniz has kindly proffered) ...

(There were of course many "Turk on TC" casualties in earlier stages of our history).

Only statistics after all .....

Thank you Oracle. Another 'nail in my coffin' as I meekly put it. There are truths that will be hidden as it does not suit the 'extremeist' or partitionists ideals. The people who told me had no reason to lie to me. They felt ashamed that it had happened. The circunstances were not very 'heroic'. Even though it is 'hearsay' 'no fire, no smoke'. I cant believe that it is statistically significant.

Don't worry Deniz!

I will protect you..

Thank you 'Basil Brush'!!. I will haunt you for a long time to come.Grrrr

This woman is just unbelievable...Literally !!

What she is talking about is the year 1974.....She expects a clinical war when we have more Americans killed by their own and what happened with the Isrealis killed also...The year being 2009

[kentish]

some of you lot like to potray yourselves as downtrodden martyrs

" ethnically cleansed" my arse. this horrible little phrase applies to nazis and serbs who killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people and erradicated them from their country completely

the fact is gc living north had to go south and tc living south had to go north, who is in fear of their lives now.get over it.if you are a tc and you want to live south ,go and if you are a gc and want to live north,go

but you must not forget if you do you will be a foreigner as the north and south are now two seperate countries with their own laws and customs

Once you look up the official meaning of “ethnic cleansing” and compare that to Turkish acts carried out against the GCs, you’ll be able to put one and one together to get your answer, but until you do… DO NOT post stupid things you’ve invented like “applies to nazis and serbs” because you’re exposing your stupidity and trust me when I tell you that your community can’t afford any more of that.

so the nazis and serbs did nothing then,they were ethnic cleansers and if you think anything has happened to gc in cyprus that can be considered to be ethnic cleansing then you are a complete nutter or master of invention

[Get Real!]

some of you lot like to potray yourselves as downtrodden martyrs

" ethnically cleansed" my arse. this horrible little phrase applies to nazis and serbs who killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people and erradicated them from their country completely

the fact is gc living north had to go south and tc living south had to go north, who is in fear of their lives now.get over it.if you are a tc and you want to live south ,go and if you are a gc and want to live north,go

but you must not forget if you do you will be a foreigner as the north and south are now two seperate countries with their own laws and customs

Once you look up the official meaning of “ethnic cleansing” and compare that to Turkish acts carried out against the GCs, you’ll be able to put one and one together to get your answer, but until you do… DO NOT post stupid things you’ve invented like “applies to nazis and serbs” because you’re exposing your stupidity and trust me when I tell you that your community can’t afford any more of that.

so the nazis and serbs did nothing then,they were ethnic cleansers and if you think anything has happened to gc in cyprus that can be considered to be ethnic cleansing then you are a complete nutter or master of invention

Nazi and/or Serbian acts do not have exclusivity to "ethnic cleansing" as you initially implied with your poor English.

Ethnic Cleansing:

“The systematic elimination of an ethnic group or groups from a region or society, as by deportation, forced emigration, or genocide. “

http://education.yahoo.com/reference/di ... 0cleansing


In July 1974, 180,000 Greek Cypriots were forcefully removed from the northern section of Cyprus as a result of a Turkish military invasion. Thousands more were killed, wounded, or captured, and Turkey subsequently proceeded to build a barricade right around this territory to forcefully keep these people from returning to their homes, and all these acts constitute ETHNIC CLEANSING.

In future conduct your RESEARCH before you post and do not waste my time again over basic issues.

[insan]

some of you lot like to potray yourselves as downtrodden martyrs

" ethnically cleansed" my arse. this horrible little phrase applies to nazis and serbs who killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people and erradicated them from their country completely

the fact is gc living north had to go south and tc living south had to go north, who is in fear of their lives now.get over it.if you are a tc and you want to live south ,go and if you are a gc and want to live north,go

but you must not forget if you do you will be a foreigner as the north and south are now two seperate countries with their own laws and customs

Once you look up the official meaning of “ethnic cleansing” and compare that to Turkish acts carried out against the GCs, you’ll be able to put one and one together to get your answer, but until you do… DO NOT post stupid things you’ve invented like “applies to nazis and serbs” because you’re exposing your stupidity and trust me when I tell you that your community can’t afford any more of that.

so the nazis and serbs did nothing then,they were ethnic cleansers and if you think anything has happened to gc in cyprus that can be considered to be ethnic cleansing then you are a complete nutter or master of invention

Nazi and/or Serbian acts do not have exclusivity to "ethnic cleansing" as you implied with your poor English.

Ethnic Cleansing:

“The systematic elimination of an ethnic group or groups from a region or society, as by deportation, forced emigration, or genocide. “

http://education.yahoo.com/reference/di ... 0cleansing


In July 1974, 180,000 Greek Cypriots were forcefully removed from the northern section of Cyprus as a result of a Turkish military invasion. Thousands more were killed, wounded, or captured, and Turkey subsequently proceeded to build a barricade right around this territory to forcefully keep these people from returning to their homes, and all these acts constitute to ETHNIC CLEANSING.

In future conduct your RESEARCH before you post and do not waste my time again over basic issues.

Inevitable consequence of "political equality/majority rule" struggle of Hellenes and Turks. Let's assume no one "forced" or "forcefully removed" from one section to another. Turkey took full control of Cyprus in order to restore the constitutional order. Either 60s treaties or the mid 60s Turkish proposals would have been on the table to negotiate. Hellenes neither accepted the 60s treaties nor the mid 60s Turkish proposals. Hellenes' ruling elite always denied TC community as a politically equal state partner.

Now let's make some predictions, what would have happened if no one "forced" or "forcefully removed" from one section to another and talks initiated to restore the constitutional order after Turkey took whole Cyprus under its power...

[kentish]

some of you lot like to potray yourselves as downtrodden martyrs

" ethnically cleansed" my arse. this horrible little phrase applies to nazis and serbs who killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people and erradicated them from their country completely

the fact is gc living north had to go south and tc living south had to go north, who is in fear of their lives now.get over it.if you are a tc and you want to live south ,go and if you are a gc and want to live north,go

but you must not forget if you do you will be a foreigner as the north and south are now two seperate countries with their own laws and customs

Once you look up the official meaning of “ethnic cleansing” and compare that to Turkish acts carried out against the GCs, you’ll be able to put one and one together to get your answer, but until you do… DO NOT post stupid things you’ve invented like “applies to nazis and serbs” because you’re exposing your stupidity and trust me when I tell you that your community can’t afford any more of that.

so the nazis and serbs did nothing then,they were ethnic cleansers and if you think anything has happened to gc in cyprus that can be considered to be ethnic cleansing then you are a complete nutter or master of invention

Nazi and/or Serbian acts do not have exclusivity to "ethnic cleansing" as you initially implied with your poor English.

Ethnic Cleansing:

“The systematic elimination of an ethnic group or groups from a region or society, as by deportation, forced emigration, or genocide. “

http://education.yahoo.com/reference/di ... 0cleansing


In July 1974, 180,000 Greek Cypriots were forcefully removed from the northern section of Cyprus as a result of a Turkish military invasion. Thousands more were killed, wounded, or captured, and Turkey subsequently proceeded to build a barricade right around this territory to forcefully keep these people from returning to their homes, and all these acts constitute ETHNIC CLEANSING.

In future conduct your RESEARCH before you post and do not waste my time again over basic issues.

lol, stop it ,my sides are splitting

[Get Real!]

In future conduct your RESEARCH before you post and do not waste my time again over basic issues.

lol, stop it ,my sides are splitting

Back off the mirror and you'll be just fine...

[kentish]

thanks for the advice,much appreciated

[YFred]

Can someone tell me how many villages were mixed nationality in 1974 just before the said period. Particularly near the fighting( excluding Pile) please?
I was under the impression that it was virtually none? Am I wrong?
Can anyone also put a figure on how many Turkish soldiers, sailors and pilots war lost?

Morphou was mixed

How mixed were they DT. Did they live next door to each other like before 63 or was the town split into different areas.

[YFred]

TAF = Turkish Air Force. Not the Army. How, you will have to find out yourself. When I found out how, it was impressive. I say it again, thank god for the TAF.
When I said in another post the Turkish Pilots were better than Greek Pilots, I may have said in a light hearted way. You will find that the TAF has great respect from almost all other nato memebrs.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the TAF bombed their own military ships in a mix-up.?

One pilot is allowed one mistake surely. There is always exception to all the rules. However, there may be other explanation for the ship.

Absolutely right you are.!

I have now read a transcript of the conversation between the pilots and captain. If it is true, they actually made a mistake that a foot soldier should not make. But I guess split second decision and all that. Any one can make a mistake or two.
I thought forgiveness was the first pillar of christianity.