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[denizaksulu]

On the other hand there had been several times that TCs had great difficulties to make Turks realize that they were really TCs; bcz of different TC dialect...

I was told some were shot. Long time ago, but I remember well.

Hi Deniz,

Are you able to provide more details about TCs being shot by the Turkish Army?

Not really. Just hearsay. Is hearsay 'credible' evidence? One I did hear of was allegedly a 'looter'. I have no way of verifying this.

Are you being serious...Bafitis thrives on hearsay...

So when he asks for 'credible evidence' we are wasting his time.

We can come up with a lot of 'hearsay' if that is what he wants. , like tha parentage of certain people. If he thrives on it he is a 'fool'.

[denizaksulu]

Bafidis, do you thrive on 'hearsay'?

[zan]

On the other hand there had been several times that TCs had great difficulties to make Turks realize that they were really TCs; bcz of different TC dialect...

I was told some were shot. Long time ago, but I remember well.

Hi Deniz,

Are you able to provide more details about TCs being shot by the Turkish Army?

Not really. Just hearsay. Is hearsay 'credible' evidence? One I did hear of was allegedly a 'looter'. I have no way of verifying this.

Are you being serious...Bafitis thrives on hearsay...

So when he asks for 'credible evidence' we are wasting his time.

We can come up with a lot of 'hearsay' if that is what he wants. , like tha parentage of certain people. If he thrives on it he is a 'fool'.

If you give a man a fish.......and all that!

[Paphitis]

Bafidis, do you thrive on 'hearsay'?

A few people told me that Zan is a tosser, and I am inclined to agree with them, even though it is just "hearsay".....

[zan]

Bafidis, do you thrive on 'hearsay'?

A few people told me that Zan is a tosser, and I am inclined to agree with them, even though it is just "hearsay".....

Feed the man...He is starving

[Paphitis]

On the other hand there had been several times that TCs had great difficulties to make Turks realize that they were really TCs; bcz of different TC dialect...

I was told some were shot. Long time ago, but I remember well.

Hi Deniz,

Are you able to provide more details about TCs being shot by the Turkish Army?

Not really. Just hearsay. Is hearsay 'credible' evidence? One I did hear of was allegedly a 'looter'. I have no way of verifying this.

Thanks Deniz.

Hearsay is certainly not reliable. Having said that, there would be some TCs that would have some information, but refuse to come forward.

Halil did mention that one of his friends was hit by a Greek F-4E Phantom, but we know that Greek Phantoms were never involved in the 74 conflict.

This is what Halil said:

Only i know during the seconed operation 1 Greek Phantom bombed our village .There was no casualties . He bombed the chickens barracks ( may be he thought it was a military barrack ) . It was unbeliveable how those chickens were yelling and everywhere was burning ..... months and months there was a smelled of those chickens .
By the way now owner of the that chicken farm owner is very rich now .

KIRNI PİLİÇLERİ.

And this was my reply to Halil:

The above Air Strike could be one example of TCs being attacked by the TAF.

We know for a fact that there were no Phantom operations over Cyprus.

The TAF did however have F-4E Phantoms in its inventory.

http://www.scramble.nl/tr.htm

I have stated that the above attack could have been a case of TAF "collateral damage" against TCs. As far as I'm concerned, if the most advance air forces in the world, with pinpoint guidance systems, in this day and age are unable to avoid collateral damage against innocent civilians, then there is no way the TAF executed every mission without causing collateral damage against the TCs. The TAF had even engaged the Kocatepe and some other TN vessels, in a "friendly fire" incident.

I wouldn't mind some debate about this matter, as I find it extremely hard to believe that the Turkish Army did not at least accidentally kill some TCs. If they did not, then it is safe to say that the TAF would have to be the "best" in the world.

Just to get the thread back on topic after Zan's toss fest....

[zan]

Eat up little man...One day you will grow big and strong.....And misinformed

[Oracle]

So many Turks killed by Turks in "friendly" fire! Yet with sophisticated communication to avoid such calamities, being priority, they still happened.

But with evidence for such big mistakes, being hard to hide and therefore now well known; can we really believe they did not "friendly fire" at Turkish Cypriots? A few dozen casualties here, a few scores there. Isolated villagers. Shot, shelled, bombed. Houses ruined. People buried. Walk away ....

Why are the TCs covering up for them? Does it really make things easier for you to believe only the GCs could have caused you casualties and some to be forever missing?

Even "Kyrenia" once he realised what his proud exclamation of ZERO casualties of TCs at the hands of Turks, really meant (a perfectly executed Genocide of GCs) ... has started retracting his statement (much in fashion amongst the Turks at the moment).

Until such things are proven, it is only fair, that the TCs acknowledge that at least some of their missing and dead from 1974 are a direct result of Turkish "friendly fire" (some deliberate as Deniz has kindly proffered) ...

(There were of course many "Turk on TC" casualties in earlier stages of our history).

Only statistics after all .....

[denizaksulu]

So many Turks killed by Turks in "friendly" fire! Yet with sophisticated communication to avoid such calamities, being priority, they still happened.

But with evidence for such big mistakes, being hard to hide and therefore now well known; can we really believe they did not "friendly fire" at Turkish Cypriots? A few dozen casualties here, a few scores there. Isolated villagers. Shot, shelled, bombed. Houses ruined. People buried. Walk away ....

Why are the TCs covering up for them? Does it really make things easier for you to believe only the GCs could have caused you casualties and some to be forever missing?

Even "Kyrenia" once he realised what his proud exclamation of ZERO casualties of TCs at the hands of Turks, really meant (a perfectly executed Genocide of GCs) ... has started retracting his statement (much in fashion amongst the Turks at the moment).

Until such things are proven, it is only fair, that the TCs acknowledge that at least some of their missing and dead from 1974 are a direct result of Turkish "friendly fire" (some deliberate as Deniz has kindly proffered) ...

(There were of course many "Turk on TC" casualties in earlier stages of our history).

Only statistics after all .....

Thank you Oracle. Another 'nail in my coffin' as I meekly put it. There are truths that will be hidden as it does not suit the 'extremeist' or partitionists ideals. The people who told me had no reason to lie to me. They felt ashamed that it had happened. The circunstances were not very 'heroic'. Even though it is 'hearsay' 'no fire, no smoke'. I cant believe that it is statistically significant.

[Paphitis]

So many Turks killed by Turks in "friendly" fire! Yet with sophisticated communication to avoid such calamities, being priority, they still happened.

But with evidence for such big mistakes, being hard to hide and therefore now well known; can we really believe they did not "friendly fire" at Turkish Cypriots? A few dozen casualties here, a few scores there. Isolated villagers. Shot, shelled, bombed. Houses ruined. People buried. Walk away ....

Why are the TCs covering up for them? Does it really make things easier for you to believe only the GCs could have caused you casualties and some to be forever missing?

Even "Kyrenia" once he realised what his proud exclamation of ZERO casualties of TCs at the hands of Turks, really meant (a perfectly executed Genocide of GCs) ... has started retracting his statement (much in fashion amongst the Turks at the moment).

Until such things are proven, it is only fair, that the TCs acknowledge that at least some of their missing and dead from 1974 are a direct result of Turkish "friendly fire" (some deliberate as Deniz has kindly proffered) ...

(There were of course many "Turk on TC" casualties in earlier stages of our history).

Only statistics after all .....

Thank you Oracle. Another 'nail in my coffin' as I meekly put it. There are truths that will be hidden as it does not suit the 'extremeist' or partitionists ideals. The people who told me had no reason to lie to me. They felt ashamed that it had happened. The circunstances were not very 'heroic'. Even though it is 'hearsay' 'no fire, no smoke'. I cant believe that it is statistically significant.

Don't worry Deniz!

I will protect you..