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[Get Real!]

some of you lot like to potray yourselves as downtrodden martyrs

" ethnically cleansed" my arse. this horrible little phrase applies to nazis and serbs who killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people and erradicated them from their country completely

the fact is gc living north had to go south and tc living south had to go north, who is in fear of their lives now.get over it.if you are a tc and you want to live south ,go and if you are a gc and want to live north,go

but you must not forget if you do you will be a foreigner as the north and south are now two seperate countries with their own laws and customs

Once you look up the official meaning of “ethnic cleansing” and compare that to Turkish acts carried out against the GCs, you’ll be able to put one and one together to get your answer, but until you do… DO NOT post stupid things you’ve invented like “applies to nazis and serbs” because you’re exposing your stupidity and trust me when I tell you that your community can’t afford any more of that.

[humanist]

Get Real stop caring mate :) ...... I have am over the self perpetrating victimhood adapted by the TC's with exceptions of course

[denizaksulu]

Get Real stop caring mate :) ...... I have am over the self perpetrating victimhood adapted by the TC's with exceptions of course

Humanist, it was Ethnic Cleansing. Its just that some people have no idea what it means. Its a shameful act. Many people will say anything to deny that it ever happened. Your statement should read 'some TCs'.

Regards

[Paphitis]

On the other hand there had been several times that TCs had great difficulties to make Turks realize that they were really TCs; bcz of different TC dialect...

I was told some were shot. Long time ago, but I remember well.

Hi Deniz,

Are you able to provide more details about TCs being shot by the Turkish Army?

[denizaksulu]

On the other hand there had been several times that TCs had great difficulties to make Turks realize that they were really TCs; bcz of different TC dialect...

I was told some were shot. Long time ago, but I remember well.

Hi Deniz,

Are you able to provide more details about TCs being shot by the Turkish Army?

Not really. Just hearsay. Is hearsay 'credible' evidence? One I did hear of was allegedly a 'looter'. I have no way of verifying this.

[Paphitis]

On the other hand there had been several times that TCs had great difficulties to make Turks realize that they were really TCs; bcz of different TC dialect...

I was told some were shot. Long time ago, but I remember well.

Hi Deniz,

Are you able to provide more details about TCs being shot by the Turkish Army?

Not really. Just hearsay. Is hearsay 'credible' evidence? One I did hear of was allegedly a 'looter'. I have no way of verifying this.

Thanks Deniz.

Hearsay is certainly not reliable. Having said that, there would be some TCs that would have some information, but refuse to come forward.

Halil did mention that one of his friends was hit by a Greek F-4E Phantom, but we know that Greek Phantoms were never involved in the 74 conflict.

This is what Halil said:

Only i know during the seconed operation 1 Greek Phantom bombed our village .There was no casualties . He bombed the chickens barracks ( may be he thought it was a military barrack ) . It was unbeliveable how those chickens were yelling and everywhere was burning ..... months and months there was a smelled of those chickens .
By the way now owner of the that chicken farm owner is very rich now .

KIRNI PİLİÇLERİ.

And this was my reply to Halil:

The above Air Strike could be one example of TCs being attacked by the TAF.

We know for a fact that there were no Phantom operations over Cyprus.

The TAF did however have F-4E Phantoms in its inventory.

http://www.scramble.nl/tr.htm

I have stated that the above attack could have been a case of TAF "collateral damage" against TCs. As far as I'm concerned, if the most advance air forces in the world, with pinpoint guidance systems, in this day and age are unable to avoid collateral damage against innocent civilians, then there is no way the TAF executed every mission without causing collateral damage against the TCs. The TAF had even engaged the Kocatepe and some other TN vessels, in a "friendly fire" incident.

I wouldn't mind some debate about this matter, as I find it extremely hard to believe that the Turkish Army did not at least accidentally kill some TCs. If they did not, then it is safe to say that the TAF would have to be the "best" in the world.

[denizaksulu]

On the other hand there had been several times that TCs had great difficulties to make Turks realize that they were really TCs; bcz of different TC dialect...

I was told some were shot. Long time ago, but I remember well.

Hi Deniz,

Are you able to provide more details about TCs being shot by the Turkish Army?

Not really. Just hearsay. Is hearsay 'credible' evidence? One I did hear of was allegedly a 'looter'. I have no way of verifying this.

Thanks Deniz.

Hearsay is certainly not reliable. Having said that, there would be some TCs that would have some information, but refuse to come forward.

Halil did mention that one of his friends was hit by a Greek F-4E Phantom, but we know that Greek Phantoms were never involved in the 74 conflict.

This is what Halil said:

Only i know during the seconed operation 1 Greek Phantom bombed our village .There was no casualties . He bombed the chickens barracks ( may be he thought it was a military barrack ) . It was unbeliveable how those chickens were yelling and everywhere was burning ..... months and months there was a smelled of those chickens .
By the way now owner of the that chicken farm owner is very rich now .

KIRNI PİLİÇLERİ.

And this was my reply to Halil:

The above Air Strike could be one example of TCs being attacked by the TAF.

We know for a fact that there were no Phantom operations over Cyprus.

The TAF did however have F-4E Phantoms in its inventory.

http://www.scramble.nl/tr.htm

I have stated that the above attack could have been a case of TAF "collateral damage" against TCs. As far as I'm concerned, if the most advance air forces in the world, with pinpoint guidance systems, in this day and age are unable to avoid collateral damage against innocent civilians, then there is no way the TAF executed every mission without causing collateral damage against the TCs. The TAF had even engaged the Kocatepe and some other TN vessels, in a "friendly fire" incident.

I wouldn't mind some debate about this matter, as I find it extremely hard to believe that the Turkish Army did not at least accidentally kill some TCs. If they did not, then it is safe to say that the Turkish Army would have to be the "best" in the world.

I am in no way in a position to comment on the activities of the TAF in Cyprus.

Co-lateral damage is possible in any war zone as evidenced this weeks friendly fire on Brit troops in Afghanistan.

The Kocatepe incident is a bit different. That was a deliberate targetting of a 'silent' 'target'. I am sure you have read all the communications of the TAF regarding this tragic incident.

[zan]

On the other hand there had been several times that TCs had great difficulties to make Turks realize that they were really TCs; bcz of different TC dialect...

I was told some were shot. Long time ago, but I remember well.

Hi Deniz,

Are you able to provide more details about TCs being shot by the Turkish Army?

Not really. Just hearsay. Is hearsay 'credible' evidence? One I did hear of was allegedly a 'looter'. I have no way of verifying this.

Are you being serious...Bafitis thrives on hearsay...

[Paphitis]

On the other hand there had been several times that TCs had great difficulties to make Turks realize that they were really TCs; bcz of different TC dialect...

I was told some were shot. Long time ago, but I remember well.

Hi Deniz,

Are you able to provide more details about TCs being shot by the Turkish Army?

Not really. Just hearsay. Is hearsay 'credible' evidence? One I did hear of was allegedly a 'looter'. I have no way of verifying this.

Thanks Deniz.

Hearsay is certainly not reliable. Having said that, there would be some TCs that would have some information, but refuse to come forward.

Halil did mention that one of his friends was hit by a Greek F-4E Phantom, but we know that Greek Phantoms were never involved in the 74 conflict.

This is what Halil said:

Only i know during the seconed operation 1 Greek Phantom bombed our village .There was no casualties . He bombed the chickens barracks ( may be he thought it was a military barrack ) . It was unbeliveable how those chickens were yelling and everywhere was burning ..... months and months there was a smelled of those chickens .
By the way now owner of the that chicken farm owner is very rich now .

KIRNI PİLİÇLERİ.

And this was my reply to Halil:

The above Air Strike could be one example of TCs being attacked by the TAF.

We know for a fact that there were no Phantom operations over Cyprus.

The TAF did however have F-4E Phantoms in its inventory.

http://www.scramble.nl/tr.htm

I have stated that the above attack could have been a case of TAF "collateral damage" against TCs. As far as I'm concerned, if the most advance air forces in the world, with pinpoint guidance systems, in this day and age are unable to avoid collateral damage against innocent civilians, then there is no way the TAF executed every mission without causing collateral damage against the TCs. The TAF had even engaged the Kocatepe and some other TN vessels, in a "friendly fire" incident.

I wouldn't mind some debate about this matter, as I find it extremely hard to believe that the Turkish Army did not at least accidentally kill some TCs. If they did not, then it is safe to say that the Turkish Army would have to be the "best" in the world.

I am in no way in a position to comment on the activities of the TAF in Cyprus.

Co-lateral damage is possible in any war zone as evidenced this weeks friendly fire on Brit troops in Afghanistan.

The Kocatepe incident is a bit different. That was a deliberate targetting of a 'silent' 'target'. I am sure you have read all the communications of the TAF regarding this tragic incident.

All I know is that the TAF received some intelligence that the HN was in the area. HN Lesbos was in fact in the vicinity.

The TAF had a belief that any Greek Naval Ships would be flying the Turkish Flag, and their radio comms were fluent in Turkish. Apparently it was a clever piece of Hellenic Navy radio comms which led to the confusion. Even when the Turkish Captain was speaking to the Turkish Pilots, the TAF pilots did not believe that it was a Turkish Destroyer.

The Kocatepe may have also returned fire further reinforcing to the TAF pilots that the ship was a foe.

[CBBB]

KOCATEPE DESTROYER SHIP WRECK

Sinking of the ship:

When the Cyprus operations beginned at 20th of July 1974, Kocatepe destroyer was ready at the Mersin Harbour. It was heard that the Greek Ships would change their flags with Turkish flags and use radio operators who knew Turkish. That era's head minister Ecevit was interviewed with the American authorities but couldn't accomplish anything. While the operations going on, Turks got an intelligence that was saying that there was a Greek fleet around Baf at 21st of July 1974. Because of this S-2E class Tracker Sea Sentry planes belonging to the 301. fleet were sent to area for sentry. The radar was showing 4 destroyers and 7 cargo ships headed to the island. For confirmation, RF-84F planes belonging to the 184th fleet were sent to area. But no physical contact made. Kocatepe and two other destroyers were sent to area for investigation.

At the morning of 21st july everyone was waiting information. Because Greek support could reach the island. Also none of planes made contact, the Anamur radar was showing the ships. Turkish operation center was determined to block the fleet. At 1:00 pm an attack was planned on this fleet. At 2:00 pm F-100D planes from 111th fleet and F-104 planes from 141th fleet got on their way. For stopping a possible Greek landing, all the ships around the area would be bombed.

The report that camed shocked everyone, who was waiting good news that would say Greek ships found and sunked. Because in the area that Turkiye didn't supposed to have any ships , Turkiye confirmed not to have any ship, Turkiye had 3 destroyers. Which one of them was Kocatepe and which sunked by Turkish planes at 22nd of July 1974. The others Adatepe and Maresal Cakmak had reached to Mersin with survivors and wounded. With this tragical accident Turkiye lost 54 good marines. The best reasons of this accident were , the need to stop any Greek landing, tension of this possible landing, and the intelligence about the Greek ships with Turkish flags. After this, the possible leaks, needs and musts had been completed in the Turkish army. Also gossips were saying that there could be an interference with the radar systems of the Turkish navy.

It is thaught that the ship was sunked near Akrotiri.

Before the ship sunked, the crew abondoned the ship with the order of the Captain Colonel Guven Erkaya. The survivors had been rescued by different navies. A group including captain had been rescued by Israel navy, a group had been rescued by English and some rescued by Turkish navy.

Captain Ian Mckechnie who rescued 72 of the survivors had been awarded with the Turkish Distinguished Service Medal.

The captain of the Kocatepe destroyer had become the head of the Turkish Navy on the following years.

http://www.turkiye-wrecks.com/kocatepeeng.html