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[insan]

wow and i thought greece did not even lift a finger to help in fear of turkey going to greece next

http://hellas.org/cyprus/timeline.htm

from 18th of July till 22nd of July Turkish Intervention/"invasion"/mutual combat-retaliation between Turkish and Hellenic forces, observed and noted by Hellenic forces.


http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_298.shtml

Cyprus 1974: Greek Point of View
No other event from the long history of Greek-Turkish incidents is as heatedly discussed like the case of the engagement between EPA F-5As and Turkish F-102s on 21st or 22nd July 1974. The following verbatim was prepared by Nicholas Tselepids on the basis of an article written by Demetrius Stergiou - who interviewed both Ioannis Dinopoulos and Thomas Skampardonis - and published in the Greek magazine "Cockpit", in May 2001. It describes the "Greek Point of View" regarding this engagement and was provided to ACIG.org with permission from the author.

http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_297.shtml

Cyprus, 1974: Turkish Point of View
This story has been prepared on the basis of an account published in the Turkish Magazine "Savunma ve Havacilik", by retired Korgeneral Hulusi Kaymakli, who served as Commander of the Turkish 2nd Tactical Air Force from 1973-74, and as the Commander of the Air Force HQ Staff 1974-75. The Turkish Air Force’s historical office has provided many of the pictures. It must be stressed that this account has not been written for the purpose of any political aims but solely as a historical military event of some significance. The author has visited most of the places which are accounted for in order to investigate matters himself and has cross-checked all events as closely as possible.
Oct 28, 2003, 04:33

http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_296.shtml
3rd parties perspective
Cyprus, 1974

Detailed history of Greek and Turkish Clashes around and on Cyprus, in 1974
Oct 28, 2003, 04:30

[Kikapu]

TAF = Turkish Air Force. Not the Army. How, you will have to find out yourself. When I found out how, it was impressive. I say it again, thank god for the TAF.
When I said in another post the Turkish Pilots were better than Greek Pilots, I may have said in a light hearted way. You will find that the TAF has great respect from almost all other nato memebrs.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the TAF bombed their own military ships in a mix-up.?

One pilot is allowed one mistake surely. There is always exception to all the rules. However, there may be other explanation for the ship.

Absolutely right you are.!

[Kifeas]

Forgive my complete ignorance on this matter, but how many TCs were killed by Turkish soldiers during the 1974 invasion?

We have reliable figures of several thousands of GCs killed by bombs, bullets, Napalm, manually etc. by the invading Turkish Army.

Unless they took precise and effective measures to distinguish between GCs and TCs, and since approx. 8,000 GCs were killed during the invasion; the TCs being 18% of the population, should have suffered about 1,500 casualties.

What steps did the Turkish Army take to avoid killing TCs? Or did they treat all Cypriots as fair targets?

Unfortunately, Oracle, the problem is not just your ignorance! The biggest problem is your laziness and your complete inability to take time off your compulsive and senseless posting on the forum, and do some actual research and studying; when in fact almost everything is available out there, even on the internet.

For your information, only about 4,500 GCs were lost during 1974, including the missing people.

[Oracle]

Forgive my complete ignorance on this matter, but how many TCs were killed by Turkish soldiers during the 1974 invasion?

We have reliable figures of several thousands of GCs killed by bombs, bullets, Napalm, manually etc. by the invading Turkish Army.

Unless they took precise and effective measures to distinguish between GCs and TCs, and since approx. 8,000 GCs were killed during the invasion; the TCs being 18% of the population, should have suffered about 1,500 casualties.

What steps did the Turkish Army take to avoid killing TCs? Or did they treat all Cypriots as fair targets?

Unfortunately, Oracle, the problem is not just your ignorance! The biggest problem is your laziness and your complete inability to take time off your compulsive and senseless posting on the forum, and do some actual research and studying; when in fact almost everything is available out there, even on the internet.

For your information, only about 4,500 GCs were lost during 1974, including the missing people.

Thanks ... my laid back Internet searches spanned GC casualty figures from 5,000 to 10,000. Thank you for setting everybody right, at the new figure of 4,500. That will be our new default setting.

But my question was aimed at finding out why the TCs assume the Turkish army caused no TC casualties, and any deaths/missing amongst the TC population is only attributable to the hands of the GCs.

Is that possible? So much widespread (even at a mere 4,500 ) death of GCs, and ZERO TC casualties at the hands of the Turks. Could they have been so precise? And what were their superior attributes which allowed such precision?

Do you have any ideas on that ... or shall I just shut up and not tax the brains of the forum further?

[iceman]

Forgive my complete ignorance on this matter, but how many TCs were killed by Turkish soldiers during the 1974 invasion?

We have reliable figures of several thousands of GCs killed by bombs, bullets, Napalm, manually etc. by the invading Turkish Army.

Unless they took precise and effective measures to distinguish between GCs and TCs, and since approx. 8,000 GCs were killed during the invasion; the TCs being 18% of the population, should have suffered about 1,500 casualties.

What steps did the Turkish Army take to avoid killing TCs? Or did they treat all Cypriots as fair targets?

Unfortunately, Oracle, the problem is not just your ignorance! The biggest problem is your laziness and your complete inability to take time off your compulsive and senseless posting on the forum, and do some actual research and studying; when in fact almost everything is available out there, even on the internet.

For your information, only about 4,500 GCs were lost during 1974, including the missing people.

Thanks ... my laid back Internet searches spanned GC casualty figures from 5,000 to 10,000. Thank you for setting everybody right, at the new figure of 4,500. That will be our new default setting.

But my question was aimed at finding out why the TCs assume the Turkish army caused no TC casualties, and any deaths/missing amongst the TC population is only attributable to the hands of the GCs.

Is that possible? So much widespread (even at a mere 4,500 ) death of GCs, and ZERO TC casualties at the hands of the Turks. Could they have been so precise? And what were their superior attributes which allowed such precision?

Do you have any ideas on that ... or shall I just shut up and not tax the brains of the forum further?

I thought i was clear enough the first time but obviously i wasn't..

The main reason Turkish army did not cause any casualities to TC's is that TC's were not firing at the Turkish army, so not receiving any fire back from them.

[Oracle]

Forgive my complete ignorance on this matter, but how many TCs were killed by Turkish soldiers during the 1974 invasion?

We have reliable figures of several thousands of GCs killed by bombs, bullets, Napalm, manually etc. by the invading Turkish Army.

Unless they took precise and effective measures to distinguish between GCs and TCs, and since approx. 8,000 GCs were killed during the invasion; the TCs being 18% of the population, should have suffered about 1,500 casualties.

What steps did the Turkish Army take to avoid killing TCs? Or did they treat all Cypriots as fair targets?

Unfortunately, Oracle, the problem is not just your ignorance! The biggest problem is your laziness and your complete inability to take time off your compulsive and senseless posting on the forum, and do some actual research and studying; when in fact almost everything is available out there, even on the internet.

For your information, only about 4,500 GCs were lost during 1974, including the missing people.

Thanks ... my laid back Internet searches spanned GC casualty figures from 5,000 to 10,000. Thank you for setting everybody right, at the new figure of 4,500. That will be our new default setting.

But my question was aimed at finding out why the TCs assume the Turkish army caused no TC casualties, and any deaths/missing amongst the TC population is only attributable to the hands of the GCs.

Is that possible? So much widespread (even at a mere 4,500 ) death of GCs, and ZERO TC casualties at the hands of the Turks. Could they have been so precise? And what were their superior attributes which allowed such precision?

Do you have any ideas on that ... or shall I just shut up and not tax the brains of the forum further?

I thought i was clear enough the first time but obviously i wasn't..

The main reason Turkish army did not cause any casualities to TC's is that TC's were not firing at the Turkish army, so not receiving any fire back from them.

What about the civilian GC figures iceman? (I won't venture the precise number, as I would need clearance from Kifeas! )

Did the Turkish soldiers come across TCs and GCs; but then casually wave goodbye to TC women, young and old, saying; "Be on your way!", but discriminately and cold bloodedly choose to shoot and kill the GC women, old and young?

Clearly this is what they did in a number of cases, which means they did not come for Peace for Cyprus, as guarantors ... but on an ethnically-discriminating killing mission.

Besides, I find it hard to believe, they were so accurate, that ZERO TCs were harmed by these operations, such that all the dead/missing TCs of that time are blamed only on GCs.

You suggested as much by saying the TCs quickly banded together.

Nonsense, it doesn't seem plausible.

[Get Real!]

You see GR , u proved yourself like Stella nothing you know about 74 .

TC's killed in 1974 by attacks of GC national guards and Greek Troops from Greece in these places .

Göçeri (Pileri) ,Kyreania Boğaz , ST.Hilarion castle area and Gonyeli village between 21 st and 23rd july . While Turkish army was skirts of the Kyrenia . Prove is in the Bogaz cemetery (sehitiği) . It is my area .

Bogaz and St Hillarion? These are FIGHTING Turkish Cypriots you're talking about Halil... those that fought alongside the Turkish invader.

do some more search about the Pileri ,Boğaz and Gonyeli fightings or asked your own people who were involed around these places in 1974 .

How many times Pileri village is hand changed in 2 days .Only i know 17 Turkish Cypriots died in this village in one day fighting . This village was freed 24 th july by the Turkish paratroopes.

I'm glad you own up and admit that these are not murders of innocent civilians like the ones I mentioned but Turkish Cypriots who took part in the ethnic cleansing of Greek Cypriots alongside the Turkish invader!

May these "fighters" (read traitors) rest in HELL alongside the Turkish dogs.

[paliometoxo]

so the ship that turkey sunk that was actually turkish everyone was fine no one died? ws an accident but the turks still did it

[Nikitas]

About 150 sailors died in the sinking of the destroyer Kocatepe off the coast of Paphos. The Israelis picked up the radio traffic between the captain of the ship and the Turkish pilots. The pilot gave orders to attack the ship a second time saying to this fellow pilots "do not believe him, he is a Greek trying to fool us". In addition to the Kocatepe they also damaged two other ships.

In Kyrenia there were Turkish casualties from shells falling short. They were meant to hit the Greek artillery up the mountain and instead they hit the troops landing in 5 mile beach.

In the south of Nicosia airport, in broad daylight, Turkish soldiers engaged each other in the dry grass, it is not known how many casualties there were in that incident.

The Greek plane shot down in Nicosia airport was not a Phantom but a transport plane, and its pilot managed to land it and thus saving most of the soldiers on board. By a strange coincidence, one of the survivors is the contractor who built part of my house in Athens. He still has bullets from the anti aircraft fire lodeged in his leg.

[iceman]

About 150 sailors died in the sinking of the destroyer Kocatepe off the coast of Paphos. The Israelis picked up the radio traffic between the captain of the ship and the Turkish pilots. The pilot gave orders to attack the ship a second time saying to this fellow pilots "do not believe him, he is a Greek trying to fool us". In addition to the Kocatepe they also damaged two other ships.

In Kyrenia there were Turkish casualties from shells falling short. They were meant to hit the Greek artillery up the mountain and instead they hit the troops landing in 5 mile beach.

In the south of Nicosia airport, in broad daylight, Turkish soldiers engaged each other in the dry grass, it is not known how many casualties there were in that incident.

The Greek plane shot down in Nicosia airport was not a Phantom but a transport plane, and its pilot managed to land it and thus saving most of the soldiers on board. By a strange coincidence, one of the survivors is the contractor who built part of my house in Athens. He still has bullets from the anti aircraft fire lodeged in his leg.

Nikitas
The thread is about TC's allegedly killed by Turkish army not Turkish army killing their own with "friendly fire"