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Postby RAFAELLA » Wed Jan 28, 2009 1:26 pm

I'm glad to see the story making news in Germany, France, Serbia, China, UK etc.
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Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Jan 28, 2009 1:34 pm

RAFAELLA wrote:Erdogan was asked regarding the possible prosecution of Olgac and he said that since the guy stated that what he said in public is just a scenario then there is no charge against him!
...and this comes from the PM of a country that wants to enter EU! ...and this comes from the PM of a country that wants to be considered civilized!

...and it clearly shows the quilt of Tr regarding the fate of 1.619 missing Gcs. Tr doesn't even want to touch that chapter of the history but sooner or later he will have to deal with it.


Erdogan has executive, not judicial authority. His statements on the matter are simply personal opinions. The public prosecutor's office is authorised to initiate criminal proceedings and it is doing so.
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Postby Paphitis » Wed Jan 28, 2009 1:39 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
RAFAELLA wrote:Erdogan was asked regarding the possible prosecution of Olgac and he said that since the guy stated that what he said in public is just a scenario then there is no charge against him!
...and this comes from the PM of a country that wants to enter EU! ...and this comes from the PM of a country that wants to be considered civilized!

...and it clearly shows the quilt of Tr regarding the fate of 1.619 missing Gcs. Tr doesn't even want to touch that chapter of the history but sooner or later he will have to deal with it.


Erdogan has executive, not judicial authority. His statements on the matter are simply personal opinions. The public prosecutor's office is authorised to initiate criminal proceedings and it is doing so.


Do you honestly believe that the investigation will be fair? :? To me it just looks as though Turkey is scrambling to cover her bases.
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Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Jan 28, 2009 1:41 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
RAFAELLA wrote:Erdogan was asked regarding the possible prosecution of Olgac and he said that since the guy stated that what he said in public is just a scenario then there is no charge against him!
...and this comes from the PM of a country that wants to enter EU! ...and this comes from the PM of a country that wants to be considered civilized!

...and it clearly shows the quilt of Tr regarding the fate of 1.619 missing Gcs. Tr doesn't even want to touch that chapter of the history but sooner or later he will have to deal with it.


Erdogan has executive, not judicial authority. His statements on the matter are simply personal opinions. The public prosecutor's office is authorised to initiate criminal proceedings and it is doing so.


Do you honestly believe that the investigation will be fair? :? To me it just looks as though Turkey is scrambling to cover her bases.


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Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Jan 28, 2009 1:54 pm

There is one factual error in this article, though. There is no such thing as the 'Geneva War Crimes Court'. The competent court here would be the International Criminal Court in the Hague, wouldn't it?
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Postby Paphitis » Wed Jan 28, 2009 2:05 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:There is one factual error in this article, though. There is no such thing as the 'Geneva War Crimes Court'. The competent court here would be the International Criminal Court in the Hague, wouldn't it?


It is in fact the International Criminal Court in the Hague. You are absolutely correct.
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Postby Piratis » Wed Jan 28, 2009 2:16 pm

DT. wrote:
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denizaksulu wrote:If there was no Ergenekon, I would bet that he would be found innocent of charges brought against him. Now, I am not too sure. Lets all hope that Justice is done.


still...it could well be a manoeuvre to fulfill legal obligations.
I cannot see him being found guilty cos this will open a large can of worms.


Seems like they're in a hurry to pre-empt the Cypriot legal action. The fact that Oli Rehn a known friend of Turkey and enlargement commissioner of the EU came out so quickly with a strong statement must of been a shock for Turkey.


I agree. They will try to put all the blame on this individual and present it as a "special case of some crazy person", when in fact such atrocities were the norm and part of the ethnic cleansing and partition plan.

They order those soldiers to commit atrocities and then they act surprised by his confession. Personally I think there is a high possibility to convict him, to send the message to every other soldier that committed such atrocities that they should not dare to open their mouth.
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Postby Paphitis » Wed Jan 28, 2009 2:27 pm

Piratis wrote:
DT. wrote:
iceman wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:If there was no Ergenekon, I would bet that he would be found innocent of charges brought against him. Now, I am not too sure. Lets all hope that Justice is done.


still...it could well be a manoeuvre to fulfill legal obligations.
I cannot see him being found guilty cos this will open a large can of worms.


Seems like they're in a hurry to pre-empt the Cypriot legal action. The fact that Oli Rehn a known friend of Turkey and enlargement commissioner of the EU came out so quickly with a strong statement must of been a shock for Turkey.


I agree. They will try to put all the blame on this individual and present it as a "special case of some crazy person", when in fact such atrocities were the norm and part of the ethnic cleansing and partition plan.

They order those soldiers to commit atrocities and then they act surprised by his confession. Personally I think there is a high possibility to convict him, to send the message to every other soldier that committed such atrocities that they should not dare to open their mouth.


That sounds a bit too farfetched for me.

Firstly, if the Olgac case is submitted to the International Court of Crime, then this jurisdiction would also be required to find out the identity of the Commanding Officer who ordered Olgac to execute the 19yo POW, and arrest and prosecute him as well.

Also, this could very well lead to another chain reaction where even more soldiers and officers are charged with Geneva Convention crimes.
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Postby runaway » Wed Jan 28, 2009 2:29 pm

RAFAELLA wrote:

...and it clearly shows the quilt of Tr regarding the fate of 1.619 missing Gcs. Tr doesn't even want to touch that chapter of the history but sooner or later he will have to deal with it.


500+ missing TCs...(larger % in terms of population) Where have u buried them? Prosecute the murderers of these innocent people NOW!!!
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Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Jan 28, 2009 2:43 pm

runaway wrote:
RAFAELLA wrote:

...and it clearly shows the quilt of Tr regarding the fate of 1.619 missing Gcs. Tr doesn't even want to touch that chapter of the history but sooner or later he will have to deal with it.


500+ missing TCs...(larger % in terms of population) Where have u buried them? Prosecute the murderers of these innocent people NOW!!!


I agree.
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