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[MicAtCyp]

I think giving a halt to the sale of Greek properties, transfering of Varosha/Marash to its owners and allowing direct flights & trade from North could be good start.

Hey but that solves the No1 issue of the TCs without solving the No1 issue of the GCs.Varoshia is not ALL the property issue for the GCs.

In my opinion the first step (if we are going to go step by step) must also include substantial return of land to the GCs, plus their right to ALL their properties plus the right to ALL the TCs to their properties.So they will start exchanging/selling/renting even returning if they want. Although I doubt anyone would return until all the remaining steps are completed.

Good luck to your exams.

[Main_Source]

Mic, Garbitsch's idea wasnt a permenant resoloution but a realistic stepping stone to full reunification.

[garbitsch]

I think giving a halt to the sale of Greek properties, transfering of Varosha/Marash to its owners and allowing direct flights & trade from North could be good start.

Hey but that solves the No1 issue of the TCs without solving the No1 issue of the GCs.Varoshia is not ALL the property issue for the GCs.

In my opinion the first step (if we are going to go step by step) must also include substantial return of land to the GCs, plus their right to ALL their properties plus the right to ALL the TCs to their properties.So they will start exchanging/selling/renting even returning if they want. Although I doubt anyone would return until all the remaining steps are completed.

Good luck to your exams.

As Main source pointed out, this is just a step and I favour a gradual integration. The property issue will be a second step. Then comes the integration of institutions or settlers issue etc etc.... Just wait for a week and I will come up with more tangible and complete ideas.

Thank's for the good wish anyways....

[MicAtCyp]

As Main source pointed out, this is just a step and I favour a gradual integration. The property issue will be a second step.

Yes but each step must be a balanced step.The whole of property issue is only balanced with the whole of the economic release.
I don't think the return of Varoshia (part of property issue) is balanced Vs the full economic release.

Anyway I am waiting with interest your complete proposal. You will need to explain how each of your steps is balanced in that proposal though, otherwise it will lose it's value imo.

PS. The whole idea of Gul in this thread lucks this balance.He basically says give everything to TCs and we will give you some peanuts. The man must be out of his senses.

[Main_Source]

Gul's like one of the clowns in all this.

I cant take anything he says seriously and cant believe he is such a high standing politician.

[garbitsch]

I don't think the return of Varoshia (part of property issue) is balanced Vs the full economic release.

Now I understand what you mean.. But again I am repeating this will not be a plan. It will be a bargaining process, so there will be no certain outcomes. It will depend on the bilateral agreements.

I got one more boring exam on 3rd June. I just can't wait to have some holiday

[RAFAELLA]

"Kibris" comments on this proposal:
Columnists say that the new Turkish package of proposals on Cyprus have been prepared in Turkey and the Turkish Cypriot leadership knew nothing about it.
Basaran Duzgun writing in Turkish Cypriot daily KIBRIS newspaper (01.06.05) reports that the new Turkish package of proposals on Cyprus have been prepared in the Turkish Ministry of Foreign Affairs and that the Turkish Cypriot leadership knew nothing about it.

Referring to the package published in Turkish daily HURRIYET newspaper (30.05.05, see Turkish Mass Media Bulletin No:100/05), Mr Duzgun says, inter alia, the following:
“…According to this new package of proposals published in HURRIYET newspaper and quoted by our media as well, Turkey proposes the following:
1. To provide free movement of people, goods and services, between North and South.
2. All the restrictions, including direct flights, imposed on the ports and airports should be removed.
3. Restrictions imposed on citizens of third countries should be removed.
4. With a special arrangement, north Cyprus should be included in the EU Customs Union.
5. The obstacles erected before the Turkish Cypriots regarding sportive, cultural and similar international activities should be removed.

If the package of proposals includes these, there is a technical error. The proposals as a package should be named demands, because all five points include arrangements in favour of the Turkish Cypriot side. There is no arrangement that meets the demands of the Greek Cypriot side. However, in the diplomatic back scenes it is said that the information published in the media is incomplete. According to diplomatic sources, Turkey wants to open its air and sea ports to the ‘Republic of Cyprus’ in response to the above-mentioned five paragraphs. …

This package will be the main issue of the agenda of the Turkey – TRNC summit to take place in Ankara on Thursday. According to what I have found out, the package has been prepared in Turkey’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the TRNC officials knew nothing about it. In the summit on Thursday TRNC as well will be informed about the issue. The details will jointly be evaluated and the package will take its final form. The strategy of the Turkish side will be determined. Will the summit be limited only to this package? If it is confined to this package, then this will be regrettable. The issues of the property must definitely be discussed in the summit and be led to a conclusion. …”.


"Afrika" also refered to this proposal
Commenting on the same issue, Mrs Damla Ozhan, columnist in Turkish Cypriot daily AFRIKA newspaper (31.05.05), says that this “new plan” is nothing but a detailed description of Turkish Cypriot leader Talat’s demand for lifting the so-called isolation of the Turkish Cypriots.

Under the title “Whose Plan?” Mrs Ozhan expresses, inter alia, the following views:
“…Gul has announced a new plan! They (translator’s note: the Turkish Cypriot leaders) do not know its content as they did not know who gave the order to hit with truncheons the participants in the strikes. They will be flying all together to Ankara within the next few days, in order to find out about it. …

Gul announced Turkey’s ‘new Cyprus plan’ as if he was making a very important step. As if they were saying something new and shocking! However, this new plan was nothing else but a detailed description of the ‘lift the isolation’ demand that Talat has been rehashing for months! …
They are either making fun of us or they think that Tassos (translator’s note: President Papadopoulos) and the whole world is stupid! …Or they are trying to prepare the ground in order to be able to say ‘look how intransigent they are, how they are rejecting a fine proposal’. …”.

[gabaston]

does that mean u dont like it then?

[magikthrill]

4. With a special arrangement, north Cyprus should be included in the EU Customs Union.

Heres another proposal they forgot to include:

6. the RoC's right to veto as a full EU member become null and void until Turkey enters the EU

[Rahmi]

The idea behind the proposal is to treat the GC's the way EU treats TC's. Th equations read as, EU=TR, GC=TC.

Too ambitious? Well, if TR & TC stay up to it, why not?

4. With a special arrangement, north Cyprus should be included in the EU Customs Union.

Heres another proposal they forgot to include:

6. the RoC's right to veto as a full EU member become null and void until Turkey enters the EU

I don't think anybody gives a damn about the GC's right to veto. Blair, Berlusconi, Schroder, if it suits them right, they can corner Papadop, like they did the last time in 17 December.