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[Kifeas]

.........Some basic principles have been set by the United Nations. Of course not in the way they recurred to their mind. These parameters have been set as a result of negotiations lasting many years, international experiences, debates and evaluations. And these have been brought onto the agenda, evaluated and debated in many agreement plans, in many solution plans. Therefore, we have in front of us United Nations principles which we could take as basis, as ground. .

Does anybody from the TC "experts" in this forum know which are these "UN principles" (name a few for instance) based on which according to Talat the property issue is going to be resolved? Are they just like the "principles" of Kemal Ataturk that Turks so often talk about and also referred to in their constitution?

Talat thinks he is clever, but the truth is he is a smart ass idiot! There aren't UN principles on the property issue! When he talks about UN principles, he actually has in mind the parameters of the Annan plan on the property issue, and some vague reference in one of the UN SG reports in which he suggests that the two states must have a majority population and property ownership from each of the two communities respectively.

One needs to tell smart ass Talat that first, the Annan plan is just a Kofi Annan and Alvaro De Sotto proposal for a political solution, and does not constitute "UN principles" or laws (what a nonsense!) Secondly, the Annan plan, by default, upon its rejection by anyone of the two sides, is null and void and does not constitute any legal or political precedence (this is even mentioned in the first page /preface of the plan.)

Furthermore, the opinion of a UN SG about majority property ownership, as it was expressed in one of his reports (around 1992 if I remember,) does not constitute a UN principle either, for its has not been specifically endorsed by the UN Security Council in a form of a resolution. However, if you believe that this should be the guiding "principle," then there is only one way for this to be secured for your community, and this if you are ready to accept that the territory of the TC Constituent State will be reduced in size to reflect the amount of property and demographics your community lawfully possesses, i.e. down and close to 18% of the island.

Smart ass Talat, you should stop trying to full your community and confuse the international one with sophistries and nonsense. You should stop wanting "your cake a whole and eat it too," for such a thing does not exist, plus the fact that you are not the only clever around this country. The only principles that exist, vis-a-vie the property issue, are the principles of International law and of human rights protocols and court decisions, and in a sense these are the real UN principles, and not those you foolishly try to sell around as they were implied through the failed and nullified Annan plan!

[halil]

According to this newspaper article, these are done deals. The developers are contractually bound to complete the projects by the end of 2010. At least one of these developments is said to be a British-Israeli partnership, which tends to confirm Jerry's suspicions. There is an article in today's Turkish Cypriot Yeni Düzen newspaper about planned upgrades to Ercan/Tymbou airport scheduled to be completed by the end of 2010. I notice that both projects have the same deadline, and wonder if this is pure coincidence.

gumar turizimi , gumar .....gumar !!!!!!!

gambling tourism .......

you missed the transportation of the donkeys ..... money man ..... money .... there is no nationalities of money ...... who cares the Cyprus problem or Orams or others .... just fill the pockets and run away .... very simple .....

[Kifeas]

According to this newspaper article, these are done deals. The developers are contractually bound to complete the projects by the end of 2010. At least one of these developments is said to be a British-Israeli partnership, which tends to confirm Jerry's suspicions. There is an article in today's Turkish Cypriot Yeni Düzen newspaper about planned upgrades to Ercan/Tymbou airport scheduled to be completed by the end of 2010. I notice that both projects have the same deadline, and wonder if this is pure coincidence.

gumar turizimi , gumar .....gumar !!!!!!!

gambling tourism .......

you missed the transportation of the donkeys ..... money man ..... money .... there is no nationalities of money ...... who cares the Cyprus problem or Orams or others .... just fill the pockets and run away .... very simple .....

But Hali, this is good news for it indicates that they finally realized that they will eventually have to ...run away, one day! Inshallah! That is all we want from them, i.e. to get lost from Cyprus, for good, and never come back!

[halil]

According to this newspaper article, these are done deals. The developers are contractually bound to complete the projects by the end of 2010. At least one of these developments is said to be a British-Israeli partnership, which tends to confirm Jerry's suspicions. There is an article in today's Turkish Cypriot Yeni Düzen newspaper about planned upgrades to Ercan/Tymbou airport scheduled to be completed by the end of 2010. I notice that both projects have the same deadline, and wonder if this is pure coincidence.

gumar turizimi , gumar .....gumar !!!!!!!

gambling tourism .......

you missed the transportation of the donkeys ..... money man ..... money .... there is no nationalities of money ...... who cares the Cyprus problem or Orams or others .... just fill the pockets and run away .... very simple .....

But Hali, this is good news for it indicates that they finally realized that they will eventually have to ...run away, one day! Inshallah! That is all we want from them, i.e. to get lost from Cyprus, for good, and never come back!

my words are not whimsicality , as long as this game goes on ..... Talat says ..... where it is says ....etc....etc ..... not sitting sensible on the table and playing the games of majority , minority games .... lots of people will fill up their pockets and at the end we can have only ....... in our hands !!!!

i am not joking at all ......................

Even people are aspirant to donkeys ..... to take them away and sell them ..... time is running away ...... ıt will not easy to kick them away ....what for their going to spend so much money .... who are their guarantees ? dont tell me Turkey is behind them .... i don't think so .....

[Paphitis]

Halil Wrote:

you missed the transportation of the donkeys ..... money man ..... money .... there is no nationalities of money ...... who cares the Cyprus problem or Orams or others .... just fill the pockets and run away .... very simple .....

This sounds like an admission of guilt....

[halil]

Halil Wrote:

you missed the transportation of the donkeys ..... money man ..... money .... there is no nationalities of money ...... who cares the Cyprus problem or Orams or others .... just fill the pockets and run away .... very simple .....

This sounds like an admission of guilt....

your brain only works good for nothing re bafidi .

deaf Soultan from Egypt also heard ....... and knows it ...........

nothing for me to feel guilty re Bafidi ....... we have a saying ''Sikim daşağıma denk '' i don't know how to translate it '' my cock and balls are at same level'' like this .

[halil]

Kifeas ,

President Talat: “We Have a Serious Solution Process for the First Time Since 2004”


Talat added that it is of utmost importance for the Turkish side that the solution is bi-communal, bi-zonal and based on the political equality of the two peoples. Talat said that this principle was agreed on on the first day of negotiations, which began with the Governance and Power Sharing topic. “It was important to secure these,” said Talat.

Talat was speaking at a conference at the Cyprus Policy Center at the Eastern Mediterranean University.

President Talat stated that the timing of the decisions by the European Court of Human Rights on property cases was bad. He added that the decisions have caused serious concern and imbalance.

Talat underlined that the ECtHR and the international community would not be contributing to the process by handling and deciding on property cases at a time when leaders are scheduled to discuss property. The President stated that the Greek Cypriot media is reporting that the ECtHR has confirmed the Greek Cypriot principles on property by these decisions and added that this will make it difficult for the Greek Cypriot side to take any steps on property politically.

“The Cyprus problem stems from power sharing, not property,” said Talat. “The property problem is a result of the disagreement over power sharing. Naturally, its solution will follow the solution of the power sharing problem and complement it.”

“It is odd that some international institutions are making initiatives that would have a negative impact on the peace process at a time when the international community is striving for solution. There is need for common sense. Both the CJEC and ECtHR should act accordingly… Countries must also place more importance on this very important issue and should not take any initiatives or try to prevent initiatives that would harm the ongoing process. This is their duty if they truly want a solution…”

The President underlined that the cases in question had been filed long before the establishment of the Immovable Property Commission and added that it was impossible for the courts to direct them to the Commission at the time.

Talking about the Governance and Power Sharing topic, Talat said that the experts are continuing their discussions with the aim of overcoming a disagreements. He stated that the two side’s positions regarding executive are far apart. “The principles of political equality and bi-zonality should be reflected in every aspect of the solution. This is where the problems arise,” said Talat.

TAK/Translation: Press Office

[Paphitis]

Halil Wrote:

you missed the transportation of the donkeys ..... money man ..... money .... there is no nationalities of money ...... who cares the Cyprus problem or Orams or others .... just fill the pockets and run away .... very simple .....

This sounds like an admission of guilt....

your brain only works good for nothing re bafidi .

deaf Soultan from Egypt also heard ....... and knows it ...........

nothing for me to feel guilty re Bafidi ....... we have a saying ''Sikim daşağıma denk '' i don't know how to translate it '' my cock and balls are at same level'' like this .

So the "trnc" is not guilty of violating international law and issuing deeds for properties to other parties and entities which do not legally belong to them?

You are the worst low life thief...

[halil]

Meanwhile, the Head of the Working Group on Property Hasan Findik and member Serdar Hoca from Turkish Cypriot Side as well as Erato Markulli and Andreas Simeu from Greek Cypriot Side have attended today’s meeting for about properties.

[CBBB]

Kifeas ,

President Talat: “We Have a Serious Solution Process for the First Time Since 2004”


Talat added that it is of utmost importance for the Turkish side that the solution is bi-communal, bi-zonal and based on the political equality of the two peoples. Talat said that this principle was agreed on on the first day of negotiations, which began with the Governance and Power Sharing topic. “It was important to secure these,” said Talat.

Talat was speaking at a conference at the Cyprus Policy Center at the Eastern Mediterranean University.

President Talat stated that the timing of the decisions by the European Court of Human Rights on property cases was bad. He added that the decisions have caused serious concern and imbalance.

Talat underlined that the ECtHR and the international community would not be contributing to the process by handling and deciding on property cases at a time when leaders are scheduled to discuss property. The President stated that the Greek Cypriot media is reporting that the ECtHR has confirmed the Greek Cypriot principles on property by these decisions and added that this will make it difficult for the Greek Cypriot side to take any steps on property politically.

“The Cyprus problem stems from power sharing, not property,” said Talat. “The property problem is a result of the disagreement over power sharing. Naturally, its solution will follow the solution of the power sharing problem and complement it.”

“It is odd that some international institutions are making initiatives that would have a negative impact on the peace process at a time when the international community is striving for solution. There is need for common sense. Both the CJEC and ECtHR should act accordingly… Countries must also place more importance on this very important issue and should not take any initiatives or try to prevent initiatives that would harm the ongoing process. This is their duty if they truly want a solution…”

The President underlined that the cases in question had been filed long before the establishment of the Immovable Property Commission and added that it was impossible for the courts to direct them to the Commission at the time.

Talking about the Governance and Power Sharing topic, Talat said that the experts are continuing their discussions with the aim of overcoming a disagreements. He stated that the two side’s positions regarding executive are far apart. “The principles of political equality and bi-zonality should be reflected in every aspect of the solution. This is where the problems arise,” said Talat.

TAK/Translation: Press Office

International bodies such as the CJEC and ECtHR are there to ensure that international law is followed. They cannot stop the proceedings if international law is not changed. It would be pretty silly if they decided to have a postponement until a situation was sorted out which could take decades!