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[Oracle]

Look mate, this is a forum, not a funeral house.

We have people that died during the wars you started against us as well, a lot more than you, but we don't make a post every day about them, do we?

more sh*t from the turk hateing mashine.

If you don't have anything constructive to add, just shut up and get lost. I'm sick of seeing your inane responses every time I want to read other more sensible posts.

[halil]

For every GC'S who died for Enosis , a Turkish Cypriot died for preventing it until the Cyprus case which was based on the claim of Enosis was debated several times and United Nationes when finally in 1958 a resolution was passed to the effect that the interested parties should try and find a just solution by private negotions between themself.

THE ZURİCH and LONDON AGREEMENTS !

it is a result of that resolution that negotiotions stareted between Greek and Turkish foreign ministers after due notice of the fact was given to the leaders of the GC and TC communities and their approval taken .............

[Oracle]

I would be interested to hear precisely what these "martyrs" had done to gain freedom from colonial rule (so long as it is truthful, and not halil's usual lies).

Because if they fought alongside EOKA, then they died a wasted death for people like halil, who have now opened the door to another colonial ruler .... Turkey! .....

[YFred]

I would be interested to hear precisely what these "martyrs" had done to gain freedom from colonial rule (so long as it is truthful, and not halil's usual lies).

Because if they fought alongside EOKA, then they died a wasted death for people like halil, who have now opened the door to another colonial ruler .... Turkey! .....

No dear Cyclops. There is a difference between them. TC's died for Cyprus not Taksim, where the eoka members died for enosis even before 1960.
I now realise you problem. No stereo vision and all that. It’s amazing what you can see with two eyes.

[Get Real!]

For every GC'S who died for Enosis , a Turkish Cypriot died for preventing it until the Cyprus case which was based on the claim of Enosis was debated several times and United Nationes when finally in 1958 a resolution was passed to the effect that the interested parties should try and find a just solution by private negotions between themself.

THE ZURİCH and LONDON AGREEMENTS !

it is a result of that resolution that negotiotions stareted between Greek and Turkish foreign ministers after due notice of the fact was given to the leaders of the GC and TC communities and their approval taken .............

Can you point to this resolution from here?

http://www.un.int/cyprus/resolut.htm

In 1958 Cyprus was still under British rule so there was no need for the UN to pass any such resolutions.

[Get Real!]

The great resistance put up by the Turkish Cypriot people against the British Colonial Rule in Cyprus...

I must admit, this is most confusing for me because overall your community back then was AGAINST the EOKA anti-Colonialist struggle yet today...

[Piratis]

Seven Turkish Cypriots died during the resistance put up by the Turkish Cypriot people against the British Colonial Rule in Cyprus in 1958.

When did this resistance from TCs against the British Colonial Rule happened?

1958 was the year that TMT started their action and their target were Greek Cypriots not the British. Also the website that Halil gave is for sure not about any resistance to British Colonial rule. So did Halil mix up irrelevant things?

u too young to understand pirates.
too young to understand history of the Cyprus .
u too young to understand THE STRUGGLE FOR FREEDOM

in 1955 terrorist activity was commenced by the Greek Cypriotsagainst the British and Turkish Cypriots ,not with the a view to achieving independence but with unifing Cyprus with Greece.Here it would not be out of place to quote from a statement by EOKA issued during the emergency prior to independence ''We have two enemies before us.The first deal with the English and the seconed the Turks.We will first deal with the English and throw them out of the Island; than we shall annihilate the Turks.Our aim is ENOSİS.It is our duty to see that this aim is materialised whatever the coast may be '' The position of the Turkish Cypriots in a such a struggle was very difficult.They would not consent to the unification of Cyprus with Greece.......

Do you have anything to backup your lies? EOKA was formed in 1955 to fight against the Colonialists for the self-determination of Cyprus. There was absolutely nothing mentioned against the TCs when EOKA was formed. Any mention against TCs would happen only after the TCs joined the Colonialists to fight EOKA, started to demand that all Greek Cypriots should be annihilated from the north part of Cyprus so you can achieve partition, and attacked innocent Greek Cypriots.

As the 55-58 struggle more bitter and Greece started to support the ENOSIS campaign openly by taking the Cyprus case to the United Nations, the inter-communal strafe became deeper and deeper and it becomes obvious to all concern that the Cyprus issue could only be settled if the rights and interest of all parties were taken care of in a compromise settlement. In 1955 Britain called a tripartite conference in London between UK,Turkey and Greece.------------ but no settlement could be reached as Greece insisted on ENOSIS . Turkey refused to accept such a solution and Great Britain would not yield to such a demand.Turkey Inssisted on equal rights for both communities in any solution as she was full aware of the behaviour of the Greeks towards the Turks and Turkish anxieties.Later the solution of ''Partition=TAKSİM'' was advanced by Turkish Cypriots on the princible of of equal rights and self-determination for both communities. During this times Turkish Cypriots were making demonstration in Cyprus ''YA TAKSİM YA ÖLÜM'' (PARTİTİON or DIE ) British Troops were trying to stopped those demonstration and there was a also clashes between Turkish Cypriots and British Troops ..........(dates were 27-28 January 1958)

And you call that "resistance against the British Colonial Rule"

What you "resisted" was not the Colonial rule, you were perfectly fine with them. What you resisted was the right of the Cypriot people for freedom and self determination. Just like you had done in 1821:

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

Apparently for you it was fine for Cypriots to be subjects of a foreign empire imposed against their will, but it was not fine for Cypriots to be equal citizens in a free republic they democratically choose to be part of!!!

[Get Real!]

in 1955 terrorist activity was commenced by the Greek Cypriots against the British and Turkish Cypriots ,not with the a view to achieving independence but with unifing Cyprus with Greece.

Here's the oath taken by the members. Now tell us where you see any mention of enosis...


Oath of The Youth Organization of EOKA
________________________________________
I swear in the name of the Holy Trinity that:

• I shall work with all my power for the liberation of Cyprus from the British yoke, sacrificing for this even my life.

• I shall perform without question all the instructions of the organization which may be entrusted to me and I shall not bring any objection, however difficult and dangerous these may be.

• I shall not abandon the struggle unless I receive instructions from the leader of the organization and after our aim has been accomplished.

• I shall never reveal to anyone any secret of our organization neither the names of my chiefs nor those of the other members of the organization even if I am caught and tortured.

• I shall not reveal any of the instructions which may be given me even to my fellow combatants.
If I disobey my oath I shall be worthy of every punishment as a traitor and may eternal contempt cover me.

Signed

EOKA

[Piratis]

And one more important thing.

Those 7 people as you say were killed by the British during the demonstration.

And yet in the website that you gave (http://www.kktc-sehitaileleri.org/sehitler1.html) those seven people are listed along everybody else as "martyrs", without any mention by whom they were killed.

Very often you show us those lists and you blame us for every single person on that list, when it is obvious that people in that list are just people that died during that time, and they could have been killed by the British or your own TMT (who as we all know killed several TCs) or die for any other reason unrelated to Greek Cypriots.

It is obvious that not only you are trying to use your casualties during the inter-communal conflict for propaganda , but you are intentionally trying to inflate their numbers.

[Oracle]

This is what you would like us to believe ...

TC's died for Cyprus not Taksim

.... and this is what actually happened:

During this times Turkish Cypriots were making demonstration in Cyprus ''YA TAKSİM YA ÖLÜM'' (PARTİTİON or DIE ) British Troops were trying to stopped those demonstration and there was a also clashes between Turkish Cypriots and British Troops ..........(dates were 27-28 January 1958)

They are "martyrs" for TAKSIM, partition of Cyprus, to gift to the Turks, and have NOTHING whatsoever to do with honouring Cyprus but instead, its betrayal to foreign rulers.

If these are martyrs for you, then you have no right to call yourselves Cypriots .....