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[Paphitis]

Hey, just so we we're clear about something, joining the military is not the same as fighting for freedom!

Paphitis ... in case you did not notice!

.... This is one of those intelligent remarks!

I don't see it. Sorry.

Joining the military is to stand up for freedom and to serve your country.

That is exactly what every single EOKA fighter did. If Grivas and Afxentiou were alive, you could have asked them. You would get the same response.

[The Cypriot]

Joining the military is to stand up for freedom and to serve your country.

Can you see the banners? They say 'Not in my Name'... There were millions of them.

[Oracle]

Hey, just so we we're clear about something, joining the military is not the same as fighting for freedom!

Paphitis ... in case you did not notice!

.... This is one of those intelligent remarks!

I don't see it. Sorry.

Joining the military is to stand up for freedom and to serve your country.

That is exactly what every single EOKA fighter did. If Grivas and Afxentiou were alive, you could have asked them. You would get the same response.

Basically, you do not have to join the military to fight for freedom. It can be done in many different ways.

Conversely, joining the military may not be for fighting for freedom .... it may be for a job as purdey said, or for travel as others might say, or simply to impose your will.

[Paphitis]

Can you see the banners? They say 'Not in my Name'... There were millions of them.

Popularism....

Sheep mentality of the masses.

When will you ever learn Chip to have a mind of your own?

Does it make you feel good to spit on the face of returning troops, who have been to Hell and back, and then burning the nation's flag?

It really does hurt them you know.

Maybe one day you could find the decency to thank them for defending your right to desecrate your nation's flag.

They won't shoot you for it as you well know.

[Paphitis]

Hey, just so we we're clear about something, joining the military is not the same as fighting for freedom!

Paphitis ... in case you did not notice!

.... This is one of those intelligent remarks!

I don't see it. Sorry.

Joining the military is to stand up for freedom and to serve your country.

That is exactly what every single EOKA fighter did. If Grivas and Afxentiou were alive, you could have asked them. You would get the same response.

Basically, you do not have to join the military to fight for freedom. It can be done in many different ways.

Conversely, joining the military may not be for fighting for freedom .... it may be for a job as purdey said, or for travel as others might say, or simply to impose your will.

I did say:

Joining the military is to stand up for freedom and to serve your country.

Joining the military is about defending your country and its freedom. It also means defending the nation's interests. A soldier's duty is not to question but to serve the nation unconditionally. An unconditional love if you will between nation and service. But I agree that it is also just a job, or career, can offer so much opportunity, travel, health and pensions etc etc.

The troops in Afghanistan for example really do believe they are doing the world a great service by trying to rid Afghanistan of the Taliban and Al Qaeda. It is the real fight against terrorism.

Do you agree with this or do you think they are over there to oppress the Afghan people and impose their will?

[miltiades]

Hey, just so we we're clear about something, joining the military is not the same as fighting for freedom!

Paphitis ... in case you did not notice!

.... This is one of those intelligent remarks!

I don't see it. Sorry.

Joining the military is to stand up for freedom and to serve your country.

That is exactly what every single EOKA fighter did. If Grivas and Afxentiou were alive, you could have asked them. You would get the same response.

Basically, you do not have to join the military to fight for freedom. It can be done in many different ways.

Conversely, joining the military may not be for fighting for freedom .... it may be for a job as purdey said, or for travel as others might say, or simply to impose your will.

I did say:

Joining the military is to stand up for freedom and to serve your country.

Joining the military is about defending your country and its freedom. It also means defending the nation's interests. A soldier's duty is not to question but to serve the nation unconditionally. An unconditional love if you will between nation and service. But I agree that it is also just a job, or career, can offer so much opportunity, travel, health and pensions etc etc.

The troops in Afghanistan for example really do believe they are doing the world a great service by trying to rid Afghanistan of the Taliban and Al Qaeda. It is the real fight against terrorism.

Do you agree with this or do you think they are over there to oppress the Afghan people and impose their will?

I wish they were not over there but for as long as Afghanistan presents a threat to the civilized world the army will carry on defending their nations freedom and civilization. These sick bastards , Taliban , medieval barbarians who will kill a man for shaving his beard off , publicly execute a woman for talking to a stranger or for going to school for that matter , must be eliminated . Their , Taliban , growing influence in Pakistan , a nuclear power , is a major threat to the world's security and ought to be curtailed , unfortunately only military language is understood by these prehistoric people,

[DT.]

A few Ottomans such as yourself and Chip are cordially excluded of course, at your own request as we fully accept and respect your ignorant existence outside of the Cypriot Ethnos.....

We? Which we is this? The collaborators with Denktash and his British stooges? You're on your own on this... and way outside of the Cypriot Ethnos – whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean.

I don't expect you to understand Chip as I doubt you have ever worn the uniform.

I have never sided with the Brits but believe that after 50 years it is time to bury the hatchet.

Believe me when I say that the RoC has had ample opportunity to end this saga with satisfaction, but once again the horses have bolted from the stable.

I'm racking my brain trying to connect the 2 together and I can't. What has wearing the uniform got to do with understanding ethnicity? Help me out here re Paphiti...

[humanist]

lol not this debate again ..... we know the turks of Cyprus wanna wanna be turks because being themselves is offensive the cypriots wanna be cypriots when it suits then and greek when it also does and then there's all those who are cypriots regardless of the language religion or political ideologies ..... lets kiss and make up I say

[The Cypriot]

Can you see the banners? They say 'Not in my Name'... There were millions of them.

Popularism....

Sheep mentality of the masses.

Hey, the masses are the country. And they didn't want a war with Iraq. The vast majority didn't. It's called democracy.

But the no-brainers in the military donned their uniform and followed orders. 'Cos that's what they do. 'Cos that's what Blair told them to do. 'Cos that's what Bush told him to do.

The soldiers aren't paid to think, they're paid to kill. So don't tell me it was about fighting for freedom - 'cos if it was, their guns should have been pointing at Parliament.

When will you ever learn Chip to have a mind of your own?

I hope others can see the irony of this remark, coming from you. Unlike you, I've never blindly followed orders - I try only to follow my conscience.

Does it make you feel good to spit on the face of returning troops, who have been to Hell and back, and then burning the nation's flag?

I didn't tell them to go to hell. I, and many millions of others, pleaded with them not to go. What are you talking about, re the flag? It's a piece of material.

It really does hurt them you know.

They could have objected to going. Conscientiously.

Maybe one day you could find the decency to thank them for defending your right to desecrate your nation's flag.

Here's more from my hero Bill on flags.

They won't shoot you for it as you well know.

Unless someone orders them to.

[Paphitis]

A few Ottomans such as yourself and Chip are cordially excluded of course, at your own request as we fully accept and respect your ignorant existence outside of the Cypriot Ethnos.....

We? Which we is this? The collaborators with Denktash and his British stooges? You're on your own on this... and way outside of the Cypriot Ethnos – whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean.

I don't expect you to understand Chip as I doubt you have ever worn the uniform.

I have never sided with the Brits but believe that after 50 years it is time to bury the hatchet.

Believe me when I say that the RoC has had ample opportunity to end this saga with satisfaction, but once again the horses have bolted from the stable.

I'm racking my brain trying to connect the 2 together and I can't. What has wearing the uniform got to do with understanding ethnicity? Help me out here re Paphiti...

Well Chip went off topic with the below post on pg 8. So you should ask him that question.

The Chip Wrote:

We? Which we is this? The collaborators with Denktash and his British stooges? You're on your own on this... and way outside of the Cypriot Ethnos – whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean.