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There is a fundamental difference, which is conveniently ignored by Turks/TCs, between the murders in cold blood of civilians/POWs. The GCs were killed by the Turkish Army which represents the official RoT where the TCs were killed by illegal paramilitary organizations (Sampson, etc.) (The latter also killed many GCs as you know). Therefore don't blame the RoC and the vast majority of GCs for these murders.

Murderers are murderers whether in uniform or not. The people we are talking about have been illegally murdered, by one side or the other. They should all be brought to justice. Perhaps we know no one in Turkey has faced trial. Has anyone in Cyprus faced trial for illegal murders?

They sure are murderers Deniz. I agree with that. My point is different. They should be brought to justice but most of their leaders are dead (Yorkadjis, Sampson). I would be more than happy to see them rot in prison.

[denizaksulu]

There is a fundamental difference, which is conveniently ignored by Turks/TCs, between the murders in cold blood of civilians/POWs. The GCs were killed by the Turkish Army which represents the official RoT where the TCs were killed by illegal paramilitary organizations (Sampson, etc.) (The latter also killed many GCs as you know). Therefore don't blame the RoC and the vast majority of GCs for these murders.

Murderers are murderers whether in uniform or not. The people we are talking about have been illegally murdered, by one side or the other. They should all be brought to justice. Perhaps we know no one in Turkey has faced trial. Has anyone in Cyprus faced trial for illegal murders?

not yet Deniz !

Deniz bey take your time and pls read below file in this link .

see how both sides were talking before 1974.

http://www.glafkosclerides.com.cy/Cms/G ... 8-1975.PDF

I trıed readıng ıt when you fırst posted ıt. It ıs so dıffıcult to read. Enlargıng doesn't help eıther. I am sure ıt ıs ınterestıng. I have an ıdea of the talks of the perıod. It would be nıce to refresh ones memory and get details too.

I will print all of it and see.

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From the evıdence on the forum, NO.

Not just from evidence on the forum, there is no political will from anywhere to allow prosecution of anyone from their own side to be prosecuted and all sides would need to accept prosecutions for anything to happen. So it won't.

[denizaksulu]

You are rıght. I was surprısed at the RoC decısıon not to prosecute 'so as to encourage perpetrators to come forward, without fear of prosecution'. They must be having a laugh. My reaction of that is to protect their 'own'.

[Get Real!]

You are rıght. I was surprısed at the RoC decısıon not to prosecute 'so as to encourage perpetrators to come forward, without fear of prosecution'. They must be having a laugh. My reaction of that is to protect their 'own'.

Don't judge too soon. What you initially heard were the unofficial opinions from various people as a first reaction, but it has started to pick up momentum 4 days on and now I know that the RoC government is looking into ways to best approach this matter.

In Turkey it has caused enormous commotion in a variety of ways, ranging from people complaining about not being aware that their country conducted war crimes, to others fearing of widespread repercussions within the state, and all sorts of other reactions for or against.

[CBBB]

You are rıght. I was surprısed at the RoC decısıon not to prosecute 'so as to encourage perpetrators to come forward, without fear of prosecution'. They must be having a laugh. My reaction of that is to protect their 'own'.

Don't judge too soon. What you initially heard were the unofficial opinions from various people as a first reaction, but it has started to pick up momentum 4 days on and now I know that the RoC government is looking into ways to best approach this matter.

In Turkey it has caused enormous commotion in a variety of ways, ranging from people complaining about not being aware that their country conducted war crimes, to others fearing of widespread repercussions within the state, and all sorts of other reactions for or against.

That doesn't mean Turkey will give up anyone for prosecution.

The RoC Government doesn't even give up it's own citizens that are only wanted for economic crimes, like a prominent business man who is wanted for a major fraud and doesn't dare travel to any EU country or the States (he is even afraid to travel through the SBAs!).

[denizaksulu]

You are rıght. I was surprısed at the RoC decısıon not to prosecute 'so as to encourage perpetrators to come forward, without fear of prosecution'. They must be having a laugh. My reaction of that is to protect their 'own'.

Don't judge too soon. What you initially heard were the unofficial opinions from various people as a first reaction, but it has started to pick up momentum 4 days on and now I know that the RoC government is looking into ways to best approach this matter.

In Turkey it has caused enormous commotion in a variety of ways, ranging from people complaining about not being aware that their country conducted war crimes, to others fearing of widespread repercussions within the state, and all sorts of other reactions for or against.

We shall wait and see. I must admit that the Turkish media has surprised me. With the 'Ergenekon' process in hand, I hope they dont take too long to 'investigate' all claims. That goes for all sides.
Some on the forum say that G or GC forces are 'clean'. Is that synonymous with 'uncaught'?

Regarding the 32 killed from Famagusta, a survivor of the massacre, who was a bank employee, has stated that the Greek Army personnel were involved. Lets hope the truth will come out.

Where is that Grim Reaper? .

[CBBB]

You are rıght. I was surprısed at the RoC decısıon not to prosecute 'so as to encourage perpetrators to come forward, without fear of prosecution'. They must be having a laugh. My reaction of that is to protect their 'own'.

Don't judge too soon. What you initially heard were the unofficial opinions from various people as a first reaction, but it has started to pick up momentum 4 days on and now I know that the RoC government is looking into ways to best approach this matter.

In Turkey it has caused enormous commotion in a variety of ways, ranging from people complaining about not being aware that their country conducted war crimes, to others fearing of widespread repercussions within the state, and all sorts of other reactions for or against.

We shall wait and see. I must admit that the Turkish media has surprised me. With the 'Ergenekon' process in hand, I hope they dont take too long to 'investigate' all claims. That goes for all sides.
Some on the forum say that G or GC forces are 'clean'. Is that synonymous with 'uncaught'?

Regarding the 32 killed from Famagusta, a survivor of the massacre, who was a bank employee, has stated that the Greek Army personnel were involved. Lets hope the truth will come out.

Where is that Grim Reaper? .

He is resting after doing a bit of overtime for the Isrealis!

[Get Real!]

You are rıght. I was surprısed at the RoC decısıon not to prosecute 'so as to encourage perpetrators to come forward, without fear of prosecution'. They must be having a laugh. My reaction of that is to protect their 'own'.

Don't judge too soon. What you initially heard were the unofficial opinions from various people as a first reaction, but it has started to pick up momentum 4 days on and now I know that the RoC government is looking into ways to best approach this matter.

In Turkey it has caused enormous commotion in a variety of ways, ranging from people complaining about not being aware that their country conducted war crimes, to others fearing of widespread repercussions within the state, and all sorts of other reactions for or against.

We shall wait and see. I must admit that the Turkish media has surprised me. With the 'Ergenekon' process in hand, I hope they dont take too long to 'investigate' all claims. That goes for all sides.
Some on the forum say that G or GC forces are 'clean'. Is that synonymous with 'uncaught'?

Regarding the 32 killed from Famagusta, a survivor of the massacre, who was a bank employee, has stated that the Greek Army personnel were involved. Lets hope the truth will come out.

Where is that Grim Reaper? .

What the RoC SHOULD DO is grab the 4-5 GC protagonists who went round bothering, harming, killing TCs and offer them herself to kickstart a war crimes prosecuting process. The main issue is which court to take this to... ie:

Belgium's War Crimes Law invokes the concept of universal jurisdiction to allow anyone to bring war crime charges in Belgian courts, regardless of where the alleged crimes have taken place.

Note that this is a Belgian law and is different from the International Criminal Court, which is a treaty body to try war crimes, and also different from the International Court of Justice, which is a U.N. body to settle disputes between countries. Both of these bodies reside in nearby The Hague, Netherlands, although some have said that American Servicemen's Protection Act passed by the US was also directed against the War Crimes Law.

[Oracle]

There is a fundamental difference, which is conveniently ignored by Turks/TCs, between the murders in cold blood of civilians/POWs. The GCs were killed by the Turkish Army which represents the official RoT where the TCs were killed by illegal paramilitary organizations (Sampson, etc.) (The latter also killed many GCs as you know). Therefore don't blame the RoC and the vast majority of GCs for these murders.

Murderers are murderers whether in uniform or not. The people we are talking about have been illegally murdered, by one side or the other. They should all be brought to justice. Perhaps we know no one in Turkey has faced trial. Has anyone in Cyprus faced trial for illegal murders?

So you acknowledge the Turkish Army were not on a"peace"/saving mission but were murderers ....

If the claıms are true, then acts of murder dıd take place. That was not the orginal purpose of the Peace Operation.

Again you shock me!

Do you seriously think there was an original purpose, different to what actually took place?

These war crimes, presented by DT., took place on the FIRST day of the invasion .......

... changed course pretty fast wouldn't you say?