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[denizaksulu]

There is a fundamental difference, which is conveniently ignored by Turks/TCs, between the murders in cold blood of civilians/POWs. The GCs were killed by the Turkish Army which represents the official RoT where the TCs were killed by illegal paramilitary organizations (Sampson, etc.) (The latter also killed many GCs as you know). Therefore don't blame the RoC and the vast majority of GCs for these murders.

Murderers are murderers whether in uniform or not. The people we are talking about have been illegally murdered, by one side or the other. They should all be brought to justice. Perhaps we know no one in Turkey has faced trial. Has anyone in Cyprus faced trial for illegal murders?

[Oracle]

I don't think anybody would claim that during wars and conflicts crimes were committed only one way. This hardly happens in any war. The main question is: Who started the war and why, and whether the atrocities were planned.

The answer to this is that it is Turkey which started the war with the aim to ethnically cleanse 100s of thousands of Greek Cypriots from their homeland and in this way partition Cyprus as it was their plan since the 50s. All the atrocities committed against Cyprus were not the result of some soldiers going crazy, but a planned ethnic cleansing of 5 out of 6 Cypriots from north Cyprus.

Turkey tries to excuse their invasion claiming that it invaded Cyprus to "save the innocent TCs who were killed", but this is a big lie, because the truth is that in 1974 no TC was killed until after the invasion started.

Go and read the archives of Glafkos Cleridis how TC's got killed in 1968 while talks was going on also in 1970 , read how the people of the Gaziveran village people weren't go their gardens ,how the complaines were done to UN and also to ROC goverment .These all well documented in those reports .

What those things have to do with 1974? What you describe are the casualties of the inter-communal conflict, and we had 100s of casualties as well during that conflict.

Again, the important question (just like with the 1974 war) is who started the conflict and why. The answer is again the Turks. They started that conflict in 1958 when they collaborated with the British and attacked the Greek Cypriots.

So what is the point of showing to us only your casualties during the wars and conflicts? Do you deny your crimes against us and that we also had casualties?

The important thing here it is YOU who started those wars and conflicts that all those people died. How else did you imagine it? That you will start a war or conflict against us, and the only ones who would have casualties would be us? Didn't it pass your mind the time you decided to attack us, that in the wars you start against us you will have casualties as well?

Read your own papers how the newspaper man proved with the documents who started the problems and also follow the UN documents .
Not the documents with your teachers union claims .We can see from where you get your lessones.It is very clear .

TC's were put the Full stopped after the declaration of the ROC .

Again i recomend you to read Glafkos documents and see how well the talks were going well between Denktash and Glafkos .... take your time and read....how they were exchanging proposals between each other....

http://www.glafkosclerides.com.cy/Archives.aspx

Halil.

You are wasting your time with Piratis. He is a 'Robot'. He only reads what he is programmed to read and nothing else.

I'm shocked at you Deniz. I assumed it was some lowlife like "lovernomore" who wrote that silly comment .....

[halil]

There is a fundamental difference, which is conveniently ignored by Turks/TCs, between the murders in cold blood of civilians/POWs. The GCs were killed by the Turkish Army which represents the official RoT where the TCs were killed by illegal paramilitary organizations (Sampson, etc.) (The latter also killed many GCs as you know). Therefore don't blame the RoC and the vast majority of GCs for these murders.

Are you sure kurupetos that NG or ELDEK's were not army .....

Are you sure kurupetos who are killed the TC's in 1974 at ATLILAR ,SANDALLAR and MURATAĞA they were not member of the GC's army .... Civilians are killed them .....it is very strange !!!! those people were in those villages were surrendered to GC national army in 1974 ....They were all civilians ......They must all brought up to justice too.

[Oracle]

There is a fundamental difference, which is conveniently ignored by Turks/TCs, between the murders in cold blood of civilians/POWs. The GCs were killed by the Turkish Army which represents the official RoT where the TCs were killed by illegal paramilitary organizations (Sampson, etc.) (The latter also killed many GCs as you know). Therefore don't blame the RoC and the vast majority of GCs for these murders.

Murderers are murderers whether in uniform or not. The people we are talking about have been illegally murdered, by one side or the other. They should all be brought to justice. Perhaps we know no one in Turkey has faced trial. Has anyone in Cyprus faced trial for illegal murders?

So you acknowledge the Turkish Army were not on a"peace"/saving mission but were murderers ....

[denizaksulu]

Oracle says:


I'm shocked at you Deniz. I assumed it was some lowlife like "lovernomore" who wrote that silly comment .....


I am speechless. Nothing in Piratis stance on the Cyprus prob will endear me to him; alas. Its not the 'truths' he tells but what he conveniently omits that riles me. I am pleased you have come in to support him. He needs some TLC after all.

[halil]

There is a fundamental difference, which is conveniently ignored by Turks/TCs, between the murders in cold blood of civilians/POWs. The GCs were killed by the Turkish Army which represents the official RoT where the TCs were killed by illegal paramilitary organizations (Sampson, etc.) (The latter also killed many GCs as you know). Therefore don't blame the RoC and the vast majority of GCs for these murders.

Murderers are murderers whether in uniform or not. The people we are talking about have been illegally murdered, by one side or the other. They should all be brought to justice. Perhaps we know no one in Turkey has faced trial. Has anyone in Cyprus faced trial for illegal murders?

not yet Deniz !

[denizaksulu]

There is a fundamental difference, which is conveniently ignored by Turks/TCs, between the murders in cold blood of civilians/POWs. The GCs were killed by the Turkish Army which represents the official RoT where the TCs were killed by illegal paramilitary organizations (Sampson, etc.) (The latter also killed many GCs as you know). Therefore don't blame the RoC and the vast majority of GCs for these murders.

Murderers are murderers whether in uniform or not. The people we are talking about have been illegally murdered, by one side or the other. They should all be brought to justice. Perhaps we know no one in Turkey has faced trial. Has anyone in Cyprus faced trial for illegal murders?

So you acknowledge the Turkish Army were not on a"peace"/saving mission but were murderers ....

If the claıms are true, then acts of murder dıd take place. That was not the orginal purpose of the Peace Operation.

[CBBB]

Does anyone believe that someone on any side (not saying how many sides we have) will ever go to trial for their war crimes/atrocities?

[halil]

There is a fundamental difference, which is conveniently ignored by Turks/TCs, between the murders in cold blood of civilians/POWs. The GCs were killed by the Turkish Army which represents the official RoT where the TCs were killed by illegal paramilitary organizations (Sampson, etc.) (The latter also killed many GCs as you know). Therefore don't blame the RoC and the vast majority of GCs for these murders.

Murderers are murderers whether in uniform or not. The people we are talking about have been illegally murdered, by one side or the other. They should all be brought to justice. Perhaps we know no one in Turkey has faced trial. Has anyone in Cyprus faced trial for illegal murders?

not yet Deniz !

Deniz bey take your time and pls read below file in this link .

see how both sides were talking before 1974.

http://www.glafkosclerides.com.cy/Cms/G ... 8-1975.PDF

[denizaksulu]

From the evıdence on the forum, NO.