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[Get Real!]

There are still militant groups active
on both sides. Secondly, because not many people are content with the situation;most Cypriots accept it, but that is not the same as being happy or content with it.The situation might seem stable, but it only appears that way. So for a peaceful and constructive future, the conflict will have to be resolved at one time or another, so that the past can be the basis for a different future. A joint institution can only work and keep on working if it has the mandate of the majority of the Cypriots. If, by having equalrepresentation and giving both sides a strong voice in the cooperation, the Cypriots feel treated respectfully and can have a sense of influence, willingness to cooperate can grow from that. In its turn, this will
possibly make sure that a joint government can keep working: as long as it has the support of the Cypriots all might turn out quite well. But it has to start somewhere by listening to each other and devising a plan together, beginning small, and growing together from that.

An interesting story: In the 1979 UNSC meeting, Turkey, as always, addresses to the Greek Cypriots as the ‘Greek Administration of Southern Cyprus’. The Greek Cypriot representative, Mavromatis, blows up following this statement and says:
‘’150 UN members have recognized us as the Republic Cyprus. Thus, it is not significant whether or not you do so.’’ Then the Turkish Ambassador, Orhan Eralp, responds to him: ‘’The Cyprus issue is not an arithmetic calculation of addition. This is an algebraic equation, and the ‘x’ of this equation is Turkey. Even if the whole world recognizes you, this equation cannot be solved as long as Turkey doeworld recognizes you, this equation cannot be solved as long as Turkey does not recognize you. Now, if you want, you can even call yourself ‘’The Greek Empire of
Cyprus .‘’ (Laughs in the room...)

http://www.conflictstudies.nl/access/wi ... lution.pdf


Let's see where my "nonsense" and ur ignorant arrogancy will lead us.

More to come... Brb.[/i]

What has the above IRRELEVANT RUBBISH, you either haven’t even read or understood, have to do with your “political equality of major communities at community basis” nonsensical manufactured garbage of this dumb thread?

On yet another junk thread of yours you boast…

“Knowledge is power! Get it!”

…and proceed to post a bunch of irrelevant mumbo-jumbo God knows what from the Internet!

Were you by any chance implying that YOU have acquired “knowledge” and these stupid nonsensical threads are the product of it?


GET OFF the CyProb you incompetent time wasting fool!

If an embryonic "ape" like u don't have the ability to comprehend the essence of a message, it's not my fault and my obligation to educate u to understand the essence of the problem which the starting point and truth lay there. U deserve to be treated like an embryonic "ape" instead of a kind human being. First u need to learn that the current sitution in Cyprus is completely related with our 400+ years of historical background. , so that any solution plan should be based and shaped according to the facts of our historical background not how he or she describes democracy. However embryonic "ape"s like u r not capable to understand and digest this. So, we need to wait u and ur alikes to evolve in this age of globalization.

The situation in Cyprus for example cannot properly be understood unless it is viewed in the broader context of Greek-Turkish relations, and it is hard to see how the problems of that divided island can be resolved without addressing these larger questions.

http://www.cald.org/website/10th%20Anni ... speech.htm

Which authority is this that taught you GARBAGE such as...

“political equality of major communities at community basis”

…and what are these junk sites you’re quoting from you incompetent and uneducated little clown... Ha?

GET OFF the CyProb you incompetent time wasting fool!

[zan]

Equal representation in upper senate is a must to give the equal opportunity to the numerically small community in order to make it able to use it's political power effectively.

I agree with you Insan. Lets give every indigenous Cypriot community equal representation in the Upper House. The GC's, the TC's, the Armenians, and the Maronites all having equal power, therefore the Upper House's 100% power is divided 4 ways each holding 25% power each. It also means setting up 2 more states to accommodate the other two communities along with the GC's and the TC's.

This is what you meant by having equal Community Rights, did you not.?

I said political equality of major communities my blind dear Kikapu.

I saw it and deliberately did not entertain you with your little self indulging clause to implement your Racist ideas. So tell me Insan, just who decides what the size of a community has to be, in order for it to be considered being a MAJOR community or a MINOR. Can the GC's then not tell every other Cypriot communities that they are the MAJOR community over everyone else, therefore telling all of us to take our place as a minority.!

Anymore bright ideas you want to give the GC's, Insan, or is it that you can only count to TWO, therefore there can be only two MAJOR communities in Cyprus, as long as one of them is a TC, even though they are at best, at 4:1 ratio to the GC's, and then you want 50% power..! Is there no limit to your arrogance. ?:roll:

You seem to be eating your own tail here Kikapu...The USa has how many people in it and is trying to tell the world how to live.....

[Kikapu]

Equal representation in upper senate is a must to give the equal opportunity to the numerically small community in order to make it able to use it's political power effectively.

I agree with you Insan. Lets give every indigenous Cypriot community equal representation in the Upper House. The GC's, the TC's, the Armenians, and the Maronites all having equal power, therefore the Upper House's 100% power is divided 4 ways each holding 25% power each. It also means setting up 2 more states to accommodate the other two communities along with the GC's and the TC's.

This is what you meant by having equal Community Rights, did you not.?

I said political equality of major communities my blind dear Kikapu.

I saw it and deliberately did not entertain you with your little self indulging clause to implement your Racist ideas. So tell me Insan, just who decides what the size of a community has to be, in order for it to be considered being a MAJOR community or a MINOR. Can the GC's then not tell every other Cypriot communities that they are the MAJOR community over everyone else, therefore telling all of us to take our place as a minority.!

Anymore bright ideas you want to give the GC's, Insan, or is it that you can only count to TWO, therefore there can be only two MAJOR communities in Cyprus, as long as one of them is a TC, even though they are at best, at 4:1 ratio to the GC's, and then you want 50% power..! Is there no limit to your arrogance. ?:roll:

You seem to be eating your own tail here Kikapu...The USa has how many people in it and is trying to tell the world how to live.....

Zan my friend, what the hell are you talking about.?.

[Oracle]

I said political equality of major communities my blind dear Kikapu.

Insan, I am not a mathematician (and hope you do not entertain ideas of being one yourself), but even I can tell, that looking at the numbers 80% compared to 18% ... I see only ONE major number, with the other being MINOR.

Two major numbers would be, say 51% and 49% ....

Now please find an alternative reason as to why you are special as a "community", because the numbers game doesn't help you, dear!

[zan]

Equal representation in upper senate is a must to give the equal opportunity to the numerically small community in order to make it able to use it's political power effectively.

I agree with you Insan. Lets give every indigenous Cypriot community equal representation in the Upper House. The GC's, the TC's, the Armenians, and the Maronites all having equal power, therefore the Upper House's 100% power is divided 4 ways each holding 25% power each. It also means setting up 2 more states to accommodate the other two communities along with the GC's and the TC's.

This is what you meant by having equal Community Rights, did you not.?

I said political equality of major communities my blind dear Kikapu.

I saw it and deliberately did not entertain you with your little self indulging clause to implement your Racist ideas. So tell me Insan, just who decides what the size of a community has to be, in order for it to be considered being a MAJOR community or a MINOR. Can the GC's then not tell every other Cypriot communities that they are the MAJOR community over everyone else, therefore telling all of us to take our place as a minority.!

Anymore bright ideas you want to give the GC's, Insan, or is it that you can only count to TWO, therefore there can be only two MAJOR communities in Cyprus, as long as one of them is a TC, even though they are at best, at 4:1 ratio to the GC's, and then you want 50% power..! Is there no limit to your arrogance. ?:roll:

You seem to be eating your own tail here Kikapu...The USa has how many people in it and is trying to tell the world how to live.....

Zan my friend, what the hell are you talking about.?.

Never mind Kikapu...Its too practical for you....Not your bag!!



Anyway.........We are demanding nothing more than what is available for member states in the EU......You are just trying to find excuses for why the GCs saw fit to take away our rights..Now thats what I call arrogance..Trying to tell the judge that the door was open so you thought it meant you could rob the place...I know you like these little metaphors to help you understand!!!

[insan]

Equal representation in upper senate is a must to give the equal opportunity to the numerically small community in order to make it able to use it's political power effectively.

I agree with you Insan. Lets give every indigenous Cypriot community equal representation in the Upper House. The GC's, the TC's, the Armenians, and the Maronites all having equal power, therefore the Upper House's 100% power is divided 4 ways each holding 25% power each. It also means setting up 2 more states to accommodate the other two communities along with the GC's and the TC's.

This is what you meant by having equal Community Rights, did you not.?

I said political equality of major communities my blind dear Kikapu.

I saw it and deliberately did not entertain you with your little self indulging clause to implement your Racist ideas. So tell me Insan, just who decides what the size of a community has to be, in order for it to be considered being a MAJOR community or a MINOR. Can the GC's then not tell every other Cypriot communities that they are the MAJOR community over everyone else, therefore telling all of us to take our place as a minority.!

Anymore bright ideas you want to give the GC's, Insan, or is it that you can only count to TWO, therefore there can be only two MAJOR communities in Cyprus, as long as one of them is a TC, even though they are at best, at 4:1 ratio to the GC's, and then you want 50% power..! Is there no limit to your arrogance. ?:roll:

Racist?
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

I don't remember if i ever made any statements or actions that puts me the into the above definition of racist, dear Kifeas ooppps sorry Kikapu. To the contrary i always defended the idea that we r all human beings of the same God or if u like say "apes" of the same planet.

There could be 3 or more major communities in Cyprus with having almost the same historical background that TCs and GCs have. My opinions regarding the political equality of 3 major communities would have been the same. In our situation, the common historical backgroun determines the content of political equality not being TC, GC or Martian. It is too obvious to me that u r not evolved enough and thus not adequately humanized to be able to digest and comprehend the necessity of a retrospective look is a must in the case of Cyprus in order to arrive to a solution that will satisfy the majority of 2 major communities. However guilty is UN here again as in so many other cases that recognized the GC leadership as the only legitimate government of Cyprus. UN did the same mistake on Israel-Palestine issue. Noe UN needs to fix its mistakes one way or another. If making mistakes is easy for UN, fixing it should be easy too. Sooner or later it will be fixed, one way or other. Watch out the Uncle Sam, globalization does not wait for anyone and care abt the tears.

[Kikapu]

Equal representation in upper senate is a must to give the equal opportunity to the numerically small community in order to make it able to use it's political power effectively.

I agree with you Insan. Lets give every indigenous Cypriot community equal representation in the Upper House. The GC's, the TC's, the Armenians, and the Maronites all having equal power, therefore the Upper House's 100% power is divided 4 ways each holding 25% power each. It also means setting up 2 more states to accommodate the other two communities along with the GC's and the TC's.

This is what you meant by having equal Community Rights, did you not.?

I said political equality of major communities my blind dear Kikapu.

I saw it and deliberately did not entertain you with your little self indulging clause to implement your Racist ideas. So tell me Insan, just who decides what the size of a community has to be, in order for it to be considered being a MAJOR community or a MINOR. Can the GC's then not tell every other Cypriot communities that they are the MAJOR community over everyone else, therefore telling all of us to take our place as a minority.!

Anymore bright ideas you want to give the GC's, Insan, or is it that you can only count to TWO, therefore there can be only two MAJOR communities in Cyprus, as long as one of them is a TC, even though they are at best, at 4:1 ratio to the GC's, and then you want 50% power..! Is there no limit to your arrogance. ?:roll:

You seem to be eating your own tail here Kikapu...The USa has how many people in it and is trying to tell the world how to live.....

Zan my friend, what the hell are you talking about.?.

Never mind Kikapu...Its too practical for you....Not your bag!!

Anyway.........We are demanding nothing more than what is available for member states in the EU......

Which is what exactly, Zan.?

You are just trying to find excuses for why the GCs saw fit to take away our rights..Now thats what I call arrogance..Trying to tell the judge that the door was open so you thought it meant you could rob the place...I know you like these little metaphors to help you understand!!!

What the hell are you talking about, Zan.?

[Kikapu]

Equal representation in upper senate is a must to give the equal opportunity to the numerically small community in order to make it able to use it's political power effectively.

I agree with you Insan. Lets give every indigenous Cypriot community equal representation in the Upper House. The GC's, the TC's, the Armenians, and the Maronites all having equal power, therefore the Upper House's 100% power is divided 4 ways each holding 25% power each. It also means setting up 2 more states to accommodate the other two communities along with the GC's and the TC's.

This is what you meant by having equal Community Rights, did you not.?

I said political equality of major communities my blind dear Kikapu.

I saw it and deliberately did not entertain you with your little self indulging clause to implement your Racist ideas. So tell me Insan, just who decides what the size of a community has to be, in order for it to be considered being a MAJOR community or a MINOR. Can the GC's then not tell every other Cypriot communities that they are the MAJOR community over everyone else, therefore telling all of us to take our place as a minority.!

Anymore bright ideas you want to give the GC's, Insan, or is it that you can only count to TWO, therefore there can be only two MAJOR communities in Cyprus, as long as one of them is a TC, even though they are at best, at 4:1 ratio to the GC's, and then you want 50% power..! Is there no limit to your arrogance. ?:roll:

Racist?
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

I don't remember if i ever made any statements or actions that puts me the into the above definition of racist, dear Kifeas ooppps sorry Kikapu. To the contrary i always defended the idea that we r all human beings of the same God or if u like say "apes" of the same planet.

Perhaps your English is as bad as you think it is, because your own information on being a Racist implicates you as being one, as this one that you have provided.

2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

You are discriminating and being prejudice against the Armenian and the Maronite's because you do not consider them as being indigenous communities of Cyprus, but only see the GC's and the TC's, so thank you for setting yourself straight with your own words. You just did not see it, but I was happy to show it to you.

There could be 3 or more major communities in Cyprus with having almost the same historical background that TCs and GCs have. My opinions regarding the political equality of 3 major communities would have been the same. In our situation, the common historical backgroun determines the content of political equality not being TC, GC or Martian. It is too obvious to me that u r not evolved enough and thus not adequately humanized to be able to digest and comprehend the necessity of a retrospective look is a must in the case of Cyprus in order to arrive to a solution that will satisfy the majority of 2 major communities. However guilty is UN here again as in so many other cases that recognized the GC leadership as the only legitimate government of Cyprus. UN did the same mistake on Israel-Palestine issue. Noe UN needs to fix its mistakes one way or another. If making mistakes is easy for UN, fixing it should be easy too. Sooner or later it will be fixed, one way or other. Watch out the Uncle Sam, globalization does not wait for anyone and care abt the tears.

Totally unrelated to what we are talking about. You were talking about communities having equal rights, except you do not consider the Armenians and the Maronites as communities, just because their numbers are less than the TC's, but TC's numbers being less than the GC's, does not seem to matter to you. If that is not discrimination (Racist) of the highest order, then I don't know what is.!

[insan]

Though i don't accept ur funny assertions abt myself; if i am, Talat and all other TCs r racists why u still keep talking and discussing Cyprus issue with any of them? Senseless... I one more time well understood that the majority of GC community is against political equality of 2 communities at community basis. Good luck to u on ur struggle journey to get an ethno-majoritarian Hellenic nation state. Why not? Turks have many.

Mission completed. Waiting for the Uncle Sam.


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[repulsewarrior]

Equal representation in upper senate is a must to give the equal opportunity to the numerically small community in order to make it able to use it's political power effectively.

I agree with you Insan. Lets give every indigenous Cypriot community equal representation in the Upper House. The GC's, the TC's, the Armenians, and the Maronites all having equal power, therefore the Upper House's 100% power is divided 4 ways each holding 25% power each. It also means setting up 2 more states to accommodate the other two communities along with the GC's and the TC's.

This is what you meant by having equal Community Rights, did you not.?

yes Kikapu, very good observation; and what about the British and the Jews, what about the Romes and in a couple of generations the Russians, or Arabs... are they to be ignored or assimilated because they are not "Greek" or "Turk"? (our demographics will change and no force can stop that)

sorry guys (animals, and gals, too) to repeat myself; but please read my manifesto because we need to elevate ourselves and demonstrate a desire to better the Human condition. Without this courage and this vision we will remain as Persons simple bigots, and as Individuals subject to the manipulations of interlocutors in their proxy wars. "Race" can be used as a countervailing power which secures our ability to persue the happiness we seek as people, beyond the intolerance that has left us at this impasse.