Cyprus-Forum.com

[Paphitis]

Insane Wrote:

Don't worry abt partition we can prohibit it with a fundamental law in our common constitution. Even we can put some basic tenets into our constitution such as improving our country's national identity towards a Cypriot nation state.

Turkey was suppose to Guarantee the Sovereignty and Territorial Integrity of the Republic of Cyprus. This was also enshrined within our constitution, but alas it invaded and continues to occupy 37% of the RoC, thus violating the treaty and the tenets of the constitution. The fact of the matter is, Turkey cannot be trusted to follow basic fundamental law and the TCs have a long history in aiding and abetting Turkey unlawful actions.

[Paphitis]

Equal representation in upper senate is a must to give the equal opportunity to the numerically small community in order to make it able to use it's political power effectively.

I agree with you Insan. Lets give every indigenous Cypriot community equal representation in the Upper House. The GC's, the TC's, the Armenians, and the Maronites all having equal power, therefore the Upper House's 100% power is divided 4 ways each holding 25% power each. It also means setting up 2 more states to accommodate the other two communities along with the GC's and the TC's.

This is what you meant by having equal Community Rights, did you not.?

The above is the fairest of all possible scenarios if we are going to have a community based agreement.

The TC community does not deserve special status over the Maronite and Armenian communities.

Nothing can ever replace real democracy, where each citizen is equal in all respects. An anathema to most TCs.

[insan]

There are still militant groups active
on both sides. Secondly, because not many people are content with the situation;most Cypriots accept it, but that is not the same as being happy or content with it.The situation might seem stable, but it only appears that way. So for a peaceful and constructive future, the conflict will have to be resolved at one time or another, so that the past can be the basis for a different future. A joint institution can only work and keep on working if it has the mandate of the majority of the Cypriots. If, by having equalrepresentation and giving both sides a strong voice in the cooperation, the Cypriots feel treated respectfully and can have a sense of influence, willingness to cooperate can grow from that. In its turn, this will
possibly make sure that a joint government can keep working: as long as it has the support of the Cypriots all might turn out quite well. But it has to start somewhere by listening to each other and devising a plan together, beginning small, and growing together from that.

An interesting story: In the 1979 UNSC meeting, Turkey, as always, addresses to the Greek Cypriots as the ‘Greek Administration of Southern Cyprus’. The Greek Cypriot representative, Mavromatis, blows up following this statement and says:
‘’150 UN members have recognized us as the Republic Cyprus. Thus, it is not significant whether or not you do so.’’ Then the Turkish Ambassador, Orhan Eralp, responds to him: ‘’The Cyprus issue is not an arithmetic calculation of addition. This is an algebraic equation, and the ‘x’ of this equation is Turkey. Even if the whole world recognizes you, this equation cannot be solved as long as Turkey doeworld recognizes you, this equation cannot be solved as long as Turkey does not recognize you. Now, if you want, you can even call yourself ‘’The Greek Empire of
Cyprus .‘’ (Laughs in the room...)

http://www.conflictstudies.nl/access/wi ... lution.pdf


Let's see where my "nonsense" and ur ignorant arrogancy will lead us.


More to come... Brb.[/i][/quote]

[Get Real!]

There are still militant groups active
on both sides. Secondly, because not many people are content with the situation;most Cypriots accept it, but that is not the same as being happy or content with it.The situation might seem stable, but it only appears that way. So for a peaceful and constructive future, the conflict will have to be resolved at one time or another, so that the past can be the basis for a different future. A joint institution can only work and keep on working if it has the mandate of the majority of the Cypriots. If, by having equalrepresentation and giving both sides a strong voice in the cooperation, the Cypriots feel treated respectfully and can have a sense of influence, willingness to cooperate can grow from that. In its turn, this will
possibly make sure that a joint government can keep working: as long as it has the support of the Cypriots all might turn out quite well. But it has to start somewhere by listening to each other and devising a plan together, beginning small, and growing together from that.

An interesting story: In the 1979 UNSC meeting, Turkey, as always, addresses to the Greek Cypriots as the ‘Greek Administration of Southern Cyprus’. The Greek Cypriot representative, Mavromatis, blows up following this statement and says:
‘’150 UN members have recognized us as the Republic Cyprus. Thus, it is not significant whether or not you do so.’’ Then the Turkish Ambassador, Orhan Eralp, responds to him: ‘’The Cyprus issue is not an arithmetic calculation of addition. This is an algebraic equation, and the ‘x’ of this equation is Turkey. Even if the whole world recognizes you, this equation cannot be solved as long as Turkey doeworld recognizes you, this equation cannot be solved as long as Turkey does not recognize you. Now, if you want, you can even call yourself ‘’The Greek Empire of
Cyprus .‘’ (Laughs in the room...)

http://www.conflictstudies.nl/access/wi ... lution.pdf


Let's see where my "nonsense" and ur ignorant arrogancy will lead us.

More to come... Brb.[/i]

What has the above IRRELEVANT RUBBISH, you either haven’t even read or understood, have to do with your “political equality of major communities at community basis” nonsensical manufactured garbage of this dumb thread?

On yet another junk thread of yours you boast…

“Knowledge is power! Get it!”

…and proceed to post a bunch of irrelevant mumbo-jumbo God knows what from the Internet!

Were you by any chance implying that YOU have acquired “knowledge” and these stupid nonsensical threads are the product of it?


GET OFF the CyProb you incompetent time wasting fool!

[Nikitas]

Kikapu said:

"I agree with you Insan. Lets give every indigenous Cypriot community equal representation in the Upper House. The GC's, the TC's, the Armenians, and the Maronites all having equal power, therefore the Upper House's 100% power is divided 4 ways each holding 25% power each. It also means setting up 2 more states to accommodate the other two communities along with the GC's and the TC's. "

I understand Kikapu's irony, but I am seriously in favor of granting the other communities equal rights as he describes. It is one way to dispel any suspicion that the insisence on political equality by the TCs is a ploy.

[zan]

There are still militant groups active
on both sides. Secondly, because not many people are content with the situation;most Cypriots accept it, but that is not the same as being happy or content with it.The situation might seem stable, but it only appears that way. So for a peaceful and constructive future, the conflict will have to be resolved at one time or another, so that the past can be the basis for a different future. A joint institution can only work and keep on working if it has the mandate of the majority of the Cypriots. If, by having equalrepresentation and giving both sides a strong voice in the cooperation, the Cypriots feel treated respectfully and can have a sense of influence, willingness to cooperate can grow from that. In its turn, this will
possibly make sure that a joint government can keep working: as long as it has the support of the Cypriots all might turn out quite well. But it has to start somewhere by listening to each other and devising a plan together, beginning small, and growing together from that.

An interesting story: In the 1979 UNSC meeting, Turkey, as always, addresses to the Greek Cypriots as the ‘Greek Administration of Southern Cyprus’. The Greek Cypriot representative, Mavromatis, blows up following this statement and says:
‘’150 UN members have recognized us as the Republic Cyprus. Thus, it is not significant whether or not you do so.’’ Then the Turkish Ambassador, Orhan Eralp, responds to him: ‘’The Cyprus issue is not an arithmetic calculation of addition. This is an algebraic equation, and the ‘x’ of this equation is Turkey. Even if the whole world recognizes you, this equation cannot be solved as long as Turkey doeworld recognizes you, this equation cannot be solved as long as Turkey does not recognize you. Now, if you want, you can even call yourself ‘’The Greek Empire of
Cyprus .‘’ (Laughs in the room...)

http://www.conflictstudies.nl/access/wi ... lution.pdf


Let's see where my "nonsense" and ur ignorant arrogancy will lead us.

More to come... Brb.[/i]

What has the above IRRELEVANT RUBBISH, you either haven’t even read or understood, have to do with your “political equality of major communities at community basis” nonsensical manufactured garbage of this dumb thread?

On yet another junk thread of yours you boast…

“Knowledge is power! Get it!”

…and proceed to post a bunch of irrelevant mumbo-jumbo God knows what from the Internet!

Were you by any chance implying that YOU have acquired “knowledge” and these stupid nonsensical threads are the product of it?


GET OFF the CyProb you incompetent time wasting fool!

Which of course means that GR has not read it....

[Kikapu]

Equal representation in upper senate is a must to give the equal opportunity to the numerically small community in order to make it able to use it's political power effectively.

I agree with you Insan. Lets give every indigenous Cypriot community equal representation in the Upper House. The GC's, the TC's, the Armenians, and the Maronites all having equal power, therefore the Upper House's 100% power is divided 4 ways each holding 25% power each. It also means setting up 2 more states to accommodate the other two communities along with the GC's and the TC's.

This is what you meant by having equal Community Rights, did you not.?

Hello Insan, where are you.? Do I not deserve an answer from you.?

[insan]

There are still militant groups active
on both sides. Secondly, because not many people are content with the situation;most Cypriots accept it, but that is not the same as being happy or content with it.The situation might seem stable, but it only appears that way. So for a peaceful and constructive future, the conflict will have to be resolved at one time or another, so that the past can be the basis for a different future. A joint institution can only work and keep on working if it has the mandate of the majority of the Cypriots. If, by having equalrepresentation and giving both sides a strong voice in the cooperation, the Cypriots feel treated respectfully and can have a sense of influence, willingness to cooperate can grow from that. In its turn, this will
possibly make sure that a joint government can keep working: as long as it has the support of the Cypriots all might turn out quite well. But it has to start somewhere by listening to each other and devising a plan together, beginning small, and growing together from that.

An interesting story: In the 1979 UNSC meeting, Turkey, as always, addresses to the Greek Cypriots as the ‘Greek Administration of Southern Cyprus’. The Greek Cypriot representative, Mavromatis, blows up following this statement and says:
‘’150 UN members have recognized us as the Republic Cyprus. Thus, it is not significant whether or not you do so.’’ Then the Turkish Ambassador, Orhan Eralp, responds to him: ‘’The Cyprus issue is not an arithmetic calculation of addition. This is an algebraic equation, and the ‘x’ of this equation is Turkey. Even if the whole world recognizes you, this equation cannot be solved as long as Turkey doeworld recognizes you, this equation cannot be solved as long as Turkey does not recognize you. Now, if you want, you can even call yourself ‘’The Greek Empire of
Cyprus .‘’ (Laughs in the room...)

http://www.conflictstudies.nl/access/wi ... lution.pdf


Let's see where my "nonsense" and ur ignorant arrogancy will lead us.

More to come... Brb.[/i]

What has the above IRRELEVANT RUBBISH, you either haven’t even read or understood, have to do with your “political equality of major communities at community basis” nonsensical manufactured garbage of this dumb thread?

On yet another junk thread of yours you boast…

“Knowledge is power! Get it!”

…and proceed to post a bunch of irrelevant mumbo-jumbo God knows what from the Internet!

Were you by any chance implying that YOU have acquired “knowledge” and these stupid nonsensical threads are the product of it?


GET OFF the CyProb you incompetent time wasting fool!

If an embryonic "ape" like u don't have the ability to comprehend the essence of a message, it's not my fault and my obligation to educate u to understand the essence of the problem which the starting point and truth lay there. U deserve to be treated like an embryonic "ape" instead of a kind human being. First u need to learn that the current sitution in Cyprus is completely related with our 400+ years of historical background. , so that any solution plan should be based and shaped according to the facts of our historical background not how he or she describes democracy. However embryonic "ape"s like u r not capable to understand and digest this. So, we need to wait u and ur alikes to evolve in this age of globalization.

The situation in Cyprus for example cannot properly be understood unless it is viewed in the broader context of Greek-Turkish relations, and it is hard to see how the problems of that divided island can be resolved without addressing these larger questions.

http://www.cald.org/website/10th%20Anni ... speech.htm

[insan]

Equal representation in upper senate is a must to give the equal opportunity to the numerically small community in order to make it able to use it's political power effectively.

I agree with you Insan. Lets give every indigenous Cypriot community equal representation in the Upper House. The GC's, the TC's, the Armenians, and the Maronites all having equal power, therefore the Upper House's 100% power is divided 4 ways each holding 25% power each. It also means setting up 2 more states to accommodate the other two communities along with the GC's and the TC's.

This is what you meant by having equal Community Rights, did you not.?

I said political equality of major communities my blind dear Kikapu.

[Kikapu]

Equal representation in upper senate is a must to give the equal opportunity to the numerically small community in order to make it able to use it's political power effectively.

I agree with you Insan. Lets give every indigenous Cypriot community equal representation in the Upper House. The GC's, the TC's, the Armenians, and the Maronites all having equal power, therefore the Upper House's 100% power is divided 4 ways each holding 25% power each. It also means setting up 2 more states to accommodate the other two communities along with the GC's and the TC's.

This is what you meant by having equal Community Rights, did you not.?

I said political equality of major communities my blind dear Kikapu.

I saw it and deliberately did not entertain you with your little self indulging clause to implement your Racist ideas. So tell me Insan, just who decides what the size of a community has to be, in order for it to be considered being a MAJOR community or a MINOR. Can the GC's then not tell every other Cypriot communities that they are the MAJOR community over everyone else, therefore telling all of us to take our place as a minority.!

Anymore bright ideas you want to give the GC's, Insan, or is it that you can only count to TWO, therefore there can be only two MAJOR communities in Cyprus, as long as one of them is a TC, even though they are at best, at 4:1 ratio to the GC's, and then you want 50% power..! Is there no limit to your arrogance. ?:roll: