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[Paphitis]

Do you think it is fair that we are being asked to twist so many facets of democracy to suit the over-greedy Turks amongst us?

Well, that is the question, Oracle. FYI there are examples in other countires where there has been some over-representation of minorities, but generally speaking, these are of native population groups.

So you accept the GCs are the natives, and we should be expecting over and above the normal rights, based on what other natives receive ... yet here we are, being forced to give more rights instead, to invaders ...

And the Turks themselves refuse to give any additional rights to the native Kurds who were in Anatolia well before the arrival of the Mongolian nomads.

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Do you think it is fair that we are being asked to twist so many facets of democracy to suit the over-greedy Turks amongst us?

Well, that is the question, Oracle. FYI there are examples in other countires where there has been some over-representation of minorities, but generally speaking, these are of native population groups.

So you accept the GCs are the natives, and we should be expecting over and above the normal rights, based on what other natives receive ... yet here we are, being forced to give more rights instead, to invaders ...

And the Turks themselves refuse to give any additional rights to the native Kurds who were in Anatolia well before the arrival of the Mongolian nomads.

So how the majority of Turkish parliament conists of Kurdish origin Turkish citizens. How did one of the Kurdish origin Turkish citizen, namely Turgut Ozal became Prime Minister and President of Turkey. How did some of the Kurdish origin Turkish citizens have high ranks in Turkish army? How did many Kurdish origin horde leaders became huge and wealthy tribe owners in Anatolia?

[Get Real!]

Sounds like some folk here subscribe to the statement in George Orwell's "Animal Farm", in that it was said that "some people are more equal than others"...
The fact remains that "political equality" has two different definitions either side of the Green Line. Unless and until a common definition is agreed upon, the argument and accusations (not to mention the snide comments and abuse) are going to continue.

What the hell are you talking about? Political definitions such as these are the same and well known worldwide.

I'm surprised that you of all people would ask a question like that, GR. For the Turkish Cypriots, "political equality", means that their community is on an equal par with the Greek Cypriot community, regardless of numbers. For the Greek Cypriots, "political equality" is on a person-to-person basis, which - as the TC's point out - means that the numberican majority of the GC's over the TC's means that they could be swamped. For you to overlook this is rather surprising...

I know very well what they're asking for but if I'm to have any respect for their request they'll have to start using the right terminology FIRST so which of the fine Turkish Cypriots on this forum is prepared to post a more apt phrase (not explanation) of what they’re asking?

[Viewpoint]

Sounds like some folk here subscribe to the statement in George Orwell's "Animal Farm", in that it was said that "some people are more equal than others"...
The fact remains that "political equality" has two different definitions either side of the Green Line. Unless and until a common definition is agreed upon, the argument and accusations (not to mention the snide comments and abuse) are going to continue.

What the hell are you talking about? Political definitions such as these are the same and well known worldwide.

I'm surprised that you of all people would ask a question like that, GR. For the Turkish Cypriots, "political equality", means that their community is on an equal par with the Greek Cypriot community, regardless of numbers. For the Greek Cypriots, "political equality" is on a person-to-person basis, which - as the TC's point out - means that the numberican majority of the GC's over the TC's means that they could be swamped. For you to overlook this is rather surprising...

I know very well what they're asking for but if I'm to have any respect for their request they'll have to start using the right terminology FIRST so which of the fine Turkish Cypriots on this forum is prepared to post a more apt phrase (not explanation) of what they’re asking?

Partnership.

[Paphitis]

Do you think it is fair that we are being asked to twist so many facets of democracy to suit the over-greedy Turks amongst us?

Well, that is the question, Oracle. FYI there are examples in other countires where there has been some over-representation of minorities, but generally speaking, these are of native population groups.

So you accept the GCs are the natives, and we should be expecting over and above the normal rights, based on what other natives receive ... yet here we are, being forced to give more rights instead, to invaders ...

And the Turks themselves refuse to give any additional rights to the native Kurds who were in Anatolia well before the arrival of the Mongolian nomads.

So how the majority of Turkish parliament conists of Kurdish origin Turkish citizens. How did one of the Kurdish origin Turkish citizen, namely Turgut Ozal became Prime Minister and President of Turkey. How did some of the Kurdish origin Turkish citizens have high ranks in Turkish army? How did many Kurdish origin horde leaders became huge and wealthy tribe owners in Anatolia?

The Kurds in Turkey do not have any additional rights or political representation, but are represented as an EQUAL (mostly) Turkish citizen when they are not being killed by the Turkish Army......

[Viewpoint]

Do you think it is fair that we are being asked to twist so many facets of democracy to suit the over-greedy Turks amongst us?

Well, that is the question, Oracle. FYI there are examples in other countires where there has been some over-representation of minorities, but generally speaking, these are of native population groups.

So you accept the GCs are the natives, and we should be expecting over and above the normal rights, based on what other natives receive ... yet here we are, being forced to give more rights instead, to invaders ...

And the Turks themselves refuse to give any additional rights to the native Kurds who were in Anatolia well before the arrival of the Mongolian nomads.

So how the majority of Turkish parliament conists of Kurdish origin Turkish citizens. How did one of the Kurdish origin Turkish citizen, namely Turgut Ozal became Prime Minister and President of Turkey. How did some of the Kurdish origin Turkish citizens have high ranks in Turkish army? How did many Kurdish origin horde leaders became huge and wealthy tribe owners in Anatolia?

The Kurds in Turkey do not have any additional rights or political representation, but are represented as an EQUAL (mostly) Turkish citizen when they are not being killed by the Turkish Army.

Do they have any community rights as set out in an international agreement signed by the GCs like the TCs? with Turkey???

[Paphitis]

Do you think it is fair that we are being asked to twist so many facets of democracy to suit the over-greedy Turks amongst us?

Well, that is the question, Oracle. FYI there are examples in other countires where there has been some over-representation of minorities, but generally speaking, these are of native population groups.

So you accept the GCs are the natives, and we should be expecting over and above the normal rights, based on what other natives receive ... yet here we are, being forced to give more rights instead, to invaders ...

And the Turks themselves refuse to give any additional rights to the native Kurds who were in Anatolia well before the arrival of the Mongolian nomads.

So how the majority of Turkish parliament conists of Kurdish origin Turkish citizens. How did one of the Kurdish origin Turkish citizen, namely Turgut Ozal became Prime Minister and President of Turkey. How did some of the Kurdish origin Turkish citizens have high ranks in Turkish army? How did many Kurdish origin horde leaders became huge and wealthy tribe owners in Anatolia?

The Kurds in Turkey do not have any additional rights or political representation, but are represented as an EQUAL (mostly) Turkish citizen when they are not being killed by the Turkish Army.

Do they have any community rights as set out in an international agreement signed by the GCs like the TCs? with Turkey???

This community agreement was imposed and inflicted upon Cypriots by a foreign power as punishment for the 55-59 revolution. It was not accepted democratically by the people and the results of the Zurich Agreements have caused many GCs and TCs to be killed, and that is exactly what will happen again if the rights of each individual are not respected as EQUAL citizens.

[Viewpoint]

Do you think it is fair that we are being asked to twist so many facets of democracy to suit the over-greedy Turks amongst us?

Well, that is the question, Oracle. FYI there are examples in other countires where there has been some over-representation of minorities, but generally speaking, these are of native population groups.

So you accept the GCs are the natives, and we should be expecting over and above the normal rights, based on what other natives receive ... yet here we are, being forced to give more rights instead, to invaders ...

And the Turks themselves refuse to give any additional rights to the native Kurds who were in Anatolia well before the arrival of the Mongolian nomads.

So how the majority of Turkish parliament conists of Kurdish origin Turkish citizens. How did one of the Kurdish origin Turkish citizen, namely Turgut Ozal became Prime Minister and President of Turkey. How did some of the Kurdish origin Turkish citizens have high ranks in Turkish army? How did many Kurdish origin horde leaders became huge and wealthy tribe owners in Anatolia?

The Kurds in Turkey do not have any additional rights or political representation, but are represented as an EQUAL (mostly) Turkish citizen when they are not being killed by the Turkish Army.

Do they have any community rights as set out in an international agreement signed by the GCs like the TCs? with Turkey???

This community agreement was imposed and inflicted upon Cypriots by a foreign power as punishment for the 55-59 revolution. It was not accepted democratically by the people and the results of the Zurich Agreements have caused many GCs and TCs to be killed, and that is exactly what will happen again if the rights of each individual are not respected as EQUAL citizens.

Forget all that crap, you can cry all you want ...is it binding?

[Get Real!]

Sounds like some folk here subscribe to the statement in George Orwell's "Animal Farm", in that it was said that "some people are more equal than others"...
The fact remains that "political equality" has two different definitions either side of the Green Line. Unless and until a common definition is agreed upon, the argument and accusations (not to mention the snide comments and abuse) are going to continue.

What the hell are you talking about? Political definitions such as these are the same and well known worldwide.

I'm surprised that you of all people would ask a question like that, GR. For the Turkish Cypriots, "political equality", means that their community is on an equal par with the Greek Cypriot community, regardless of numbers. For the Greek Cypriots, "political equality" is on a person-to-person basis, which - as the TC's point out - means that the numberican majority of the GC's over the TC's means that they could be swamped. For you to overlook this is rather surprising...

I know very well what they're asking for but if I'm to have any respect for their request they'll have to start using the right terminology FIRST so which of the fine Turkish Cypriots on this forum is prepared to post a more apt phrase (not explanation) of what they’re asking?

Partnership.

That can only be used in a business venture so how much capital you got?

Seriously, give me something if you can, that encapsulates this political request because it’s all in the delivery VP, and when we start using the CORRECT terminologies I’m sure we’ll start to feel a little embarrassed don’t you think?

[Viewpoint]

Sounds like some folk here subscribe to the statement in George Orwell's "Animal Farm", in that it was said that "some people are more equal than others"...
The fact remains that "political equality" has two different definitions either side of the Green Line. Unless and until a common definition is agreed upon, the argument and accusations (not to mention the snide comments and abuse) are going to continue.

What the hell are you talking about? Political definitions such as these are the same and well known worldwide.

I'm surprised that you of all people would ask a question like that, GR. For the Turkish Cypriots, "political equality", means that their community is on an equal par with the Greek Cypriot community, regardless of numbers. For the Greek Cypriots, "political equality" is on a person-to-person basis, which - as the TC's point out - means that the numberican majority of the GC's over the TC's means that they could be swamped. For you to overlook this is rather surprising...

I know very well what they're asking for but if I'm to have any respect for their request they'll have to start using the right terminology FIRST so which of the fine Turkish Cypriots on this forum is prepared to post a more apt phrase (not explanation) of what they’re asking?

Partnership.

That can only be used in a business venture so how much capital you got?

Seriously, give me something if you can, that encapsulates this political request because it’s all in the delivery VP, and when we start using the CORRECT terminologies I’m sure we’ll start to feel a little embarrassed don’t you think?

Equality of the 2 major communities,
Equality of the 2 states,
50% 50% power sharing,
2 equal partners,