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Postby utu » Mon Jan 26, 2009 7:45 pm

Sounds like some folk here subscribe to the statement in George Orwell's "Animal Farm", in that it was said that "some people are more equal than others"...
The fact remains that "political equality" has two different definitions either side of the Green Line. Unless and until a common definition is agreed upon, the argument and accusations (not to mention the snide comments and abuse) are going to continue.
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Postby Get Real! » Mon Jan 26, 2009 8:00 pm

utu wrote:Sounds like some folk here subscribe to the statement in George Orwell's "Animal Farm", in that it was said that "some people are more equal than others"...
The fact remains that "political equality" has two different definitions either side of the Green Line. Unless and until a common definition is agreed upon, the argument and accusations (not to mention the snide comments and abuse) are going to continue.

What the hell are you talking about? Political definitions such as these are the same and well known worldwide.
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Postby Piratis » Mon Jan 26, 2009 8:13 pm

utu wrote:Sounds like some folk here subscribe to the statement in George Orwell's "Animal Farm", in that it was said that "some people are more equal than others"...
The fact remains that "political equality" has two different definitions either side of the Green Line. Unless and until a common definition is agreed upon, the argument and accusations (not to mention the snide comments and abuse) are going to continue.


If that is how the Turks defined "political equality" then why we don't see the Kurdish and the Greek communities in Turkey having such political equality?

The fact is that there is one definition that is the same in the whole world, including Turkey, and then there is another definition that exists nowhere and the Turks are trying to impose it for the first time ever in Cyprus (and not on their own country of course)
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Postby utu » Mon Jan 26, 2009 10:06 pm

Get Real! wrote:
utu wrote:Sounds like some folk here subscribe to the statement in George Orwell's "Animal Farm", in that it was said that "some people are more equal than others"...
The fact remains that "political equality" has two different definitions either side of the Green Line. Unless and until a common definition is agreed upon, the argument and accusations (not to mention the snide comments and abuse) are going to continue.

What the hell are you talking about? Political definitions such as these are the same and well known worldwide.


I'm surprised that you of all people would ask a question like that, GR. For the Turkish Cypriots, "political equality", means that their community is on an equal par with the Greek Cypriot community, regardless of numbers. For the Greek Cypriots, "political equality" is on a person-to-person basis, which - as the TC's point out - means that the numberican majority of the GC's over the TC's means that they could be swamped. For you to overlook this is rather surprising...
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Postby Viewpoint » Mon Jan 26, 2009 10:10 pm

utu wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
utu wrote:Sounds like some folk here subscribe to the statement in George Orwell's "Animal Farm", in that it was said that "some people are more equal than others"...
The fact remains that "political equality" has two different definitions either side of the Green Line. Unless and until a common definition is agreed upon, the argument and accusations (not to mention the snide comments and abuse) are going to continue.

What the hell are you talking about? Political definitions such as these are the same and well known worldwide.


I'm surprised that you of all people would ask a question like that, GR. For the Turkish Cypriots, "political equality", means that their community is on an equal par with the Greek Cypriot community, regardless of numbers. For the Greek Cypriots, "political equality" is on a person-to-person basis, which - as the TC's point out - means that the numberican majority of the GC's over the TC's means that they could be swamped. For you to overlook this is rather surprising...


Thats exactly what the GCs want.
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Postby Oracle » Mon Jan 26, 2009 10:47 pm

utu wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
utu wrote:Sounds like some folk here subscribe to the statement in George Orwell's "Animal Farm", in that it was said that "some people are more equal than others"...
The fact remains that "political equality" has two different definitions either side of the Green Line. Unless and until a common definition is agreed upon, the argument and accusations (not to mention the snide comments and abuse) are going to continue.

What the hell are you talking about? Political definitions such as these are the same and well known worldwide.


I'm surprised that you of all people would ask a question like that, GR. For the Turkish Cypriots, "political equality", means that their community is on an equal par with the Greek Cypriot community, regardless of numbers. For the Greek Cypriots, "political equality" is on a person-to-person basis, which - as the TC's point out - means that the numberican majority of the GC's over the TC's means that they could be swamped. For you to overlook this is rather surprising...


Do you think it is fair that we are being asked to twist so many facets of democracy to suit the over-greedy Turks amongst us?
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Postby utu » Mon Jan 26, 2009 11:25 pm

Oracle wrote:Do you think it is fair that we are being asked to twist so many facets of democracy to suit the over-greedy Turks amongst us?


Well, that is the question, Oracle. FYI there are examples in other countires where there has been some over-representation of minorities, but generally speaking, these are of native population groups.
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Postby Paphitis » Tue Jan 27, 2009 12:14 am

YFred wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
YFred wrote:
Oracle wrote:Many things have changed since 1960; not least of all that we are now in the EU, the TCs proved how unfair extras above democratic equalisers can pervert, and Turkey has unequivocally demonstrated the guarantor mistakes in the Constitution.

So if we are still looking for the right solution, we need to address the term political equality in the contemporary, unhindered context.


You really are something special. They threw the mould away when you were created.

Now who carries more guilt? Greece for organising a coup and overthrowing of a democratically elected governement or Turkey who attempted to restore the government and decided it was not working and did not restore it. This is all tit for tat. Long gone. Move on.
Going back to the past only agrevates and clouds the issues.
Please look forward.


:? :? When did Turkey try to restore the Government and when did it respect the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Cyprus, you IDIOT?

Ame mavro yirevge
Gatse ge mayirevge
Gutcha ge gologuthga
Na fan da gobelluthga.

In anticipation of an imminent apology for your indiscretion first.


I replied to your request for an apology in the "Answer with facts" thread. :lol:

However, I do warn you that my reply is probably what you wouldn't expect, but if you had half a brain you would come to realise to expect the unexpected when it comes to Paphitis.

Enjoy...... :lol:
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Postby Oracle » Tue Jan 27, 2009 12:28 am

utu wrote:
Oracle wrote:Do you think it is fair that we are being asked to twist so many facets of democracy to suit the over-greedy Turks amongst us?


Well, that is the question, Oracle. FYI there are examples in other countires where there has been some over-representation of minorities, but generally speaking, these are of native population groups.


So you accept the GCs are the natives, and we should be expecting over and above the normal rights, based on what other natives receive ... yet here we are, being forced to give more rights instead, to invaders ... :?
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