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[DT.]

Utu talks about other people's inconsistencies, whilst doing as many backflips as Talat and making as much sense as Y-Front and Doesn'tPhuckenHaveanIdea....

Actually, Paphitis.... I think I've been quite consistant. You folk have a consistant stance, yet an inconsistant manner of debating those who differ with you. Either they are to be taken seriously, or they're not.

I do admire your focus though utu. you've been taking s**t from both sides, have no real connection to Cyprus (as far as I know) and yet turn up day in day out to argue your point. Whats the deal?

[utu]

Utu talks about other people's inconsistencies, whilst doing as many backflips as Talat and making as much sense as Y-Front and Doesn'tPhuckenHaveanIdea....

Actually, Paphitis.... I think I've been quite consistant. You folk have a consistant stance, yet an inconsistant manner of debating those who differ with you. Either they are to be taken seriously, or they're not.

I do admire your focus though utu. you've been taking s**t from both sides, have no real connection to Cyprus (as far as I know) and yet turn up day in day out to argue your point. Whats the deal?

As I said: it's part curiosity, but mainly to do with my tertiary education. The Cyprus problem seen through the eyes of forum contributors has been a great help to what I'm working on - both with my major of Political Science - Foreign Relations, and my minor of psychology. It's been a treasure trove.

[Get Real!]

Utu talks about other people's inconsistencies, whilst doing as many backflips as Talat and making as much sense as Y-Front and Doesn'tPhuckenHaveanIdea....

Actually, Paphitis.... I think I've been quite consistant. You folk have a consistant stance, yet an inconsistant manner of debating those who differ with you. Either they are to be taken seriously, or they're not.

I do admire your focus though utu. you've been taking s**t from both sides, have no real connection to Cyprus (as far as I know) and yet turn up day in day out to argue your point. Whats the deal?

As I said: it's part curiosity, but mainly to do with my tertiary education. The Cyprus problem seen through the eyes of forum contributors has been a great help to what I'm working on - both with my major of Political Science - Foreign Relations, and my minor of psychology. It's been a treasure trove.

Which reminds me… I’ve got a few invoices I’ve been meaning to get out to your parents…

[utu]

Which reminds me… I’ve got a few invoices I’ve been meaning to get out to your parents…

GR, you've been a prime example of whom I speak in regards to attitudes on Cyprus. Your political stance is solid, but the way you debate it is anything but. Humor and disdain in equal - yet at times unpredictable - proportions, directed against your forum opponents, and also your supporters from time to time.

[DT.]

Which reminds me… I’ve got a few invoices I’ve been meaning to get out to your parents…

GR, you've been a prime example of whom I speak in regards to attitudes on Cyprus. Your political stance is solid, but the way you debate it is anything but. Humor and disdain in equal - yet at times unpredictable - proportions, directed against your forum opponents, and also your supporters from time to time.

what supporters?

[Oracle]

Which reminds me… I’ve got a few invoices I’ve been meaning to get out to your parents…

GR, you've been a prime example of whom I speak in regards to attitudes on Cyprus. Your political stance is solid, but the way you debate it is anything but. Humor and disdain in equal - yet at times unpredictable - proportions, directed against your forum opponents, and also your supporters from time to time.

Don't you see that as his strength?

Contrast with VP, where you only need to read the first three words to know how it's going to end.

[denizaksulu]

You will find that after Cyprus was rented to the Brittish empire, most of the Turkish Cypriots moved to Adana region which is why they became a minority.

Totally baseless lies. The Muslims in Cyprus have always been a minority. ("always" in this case meaning since 1571, because before that they were practically 0%).

And I say Muslims, because when the British took over there was not even such thing as "Turkish Cypriots". Many of those Muslims didn't even speak Turkish.

Wasn't it his excellency Hristofias who said "Fuck Off Your Beautitude" to your B... which even became a thread topic in this CF ?

That was what Bananiot said, not Hristofias.

The Ottomans used the church as their tax collectors and made them the leaders of the Greek Cypriots on the island (who the Ottomans called just "Christians"). So for 400+ years the church had power over the Greek Cypriots. (But not any power over Cyprus, since they had to obey the Ottomans, otherwise they would be executed). The Cypriots were not allowed to elect any other leaders.

Under the British the church was again the leader of Greek Cypriots since we didn't have much else. You have to remember that at those times (especially under Ottomans, but also under British) the priests were among the very few educated people. Cypriots were mostly uneducated peasants.

So you have to give Cypriot society some time. The influence of the church is getting less and less.

In the case of TCs, Allah was replaced with another God called Attaturk, when Attaturk (practically) became the official God of Turkey.

Piratis, may I call you friend now. Why did it take you so long to come up with a statement like this: ' [color=red]The Ottomans used the church as their tax collectors and made them the leaders of the Greek Cypriots on the island (who the Ottomans called just "Christians"). So for 400+ years the church had power over the Greek Cypriots. (But not any power over Cyprus, since they had to obey the Ottomans, otherwise they would be executed). The Cypriots were not allowed to elect any other leaders.[/color].

There is still hope for you yet. I know the above is a qualified statement, but its one step forward for you accepting what we have been saying for years. Had your Bishops not betrayed the legal gov and turned to treachery, non would have been executed.

[SoSolidCrew]

And this is what happens when you call people to think calm

[Tim Drayton]

Just to pick up on the point of the azan (as it is correctly spelt in English) - and I for one, having live in Anatolia for a long time, certainly know what it is - which the author of this thread perceives to be a major obstacle to settling the Cyprus problem, I came across the following interesting post on the following thread (4th post):

http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:E_ ... clnk&cd=17

The title of the thread is "What is life like in the TRNC?". It is to be found on a website of the youth section of a large neo-fascist party in Turkey (MHP). The author of this post is clearly a devotee of the Turkish-Islamic synthesis, an ideology especially dear to the hearts of most MHP supporters. It sheds some interesting light on the way conservative mainland Turks view Turkish Cypriot society.

Those wishing to read the original Turkish text can click the above link; here is my English translation:

I have been in Cyprus for one week, and believe me I had this place worked out on the first day I spent here. I am studying at the Kyrenia American University. It is really a different environment. When I learned that I had been accepted here I was really delighted because this is a Turkish-Islamic land. But, believe me, it is no such thing. Humanity has vanished. Quite a lot of students have cars and and mixed sex groups sit in them and smoke cigarettes. Smoking is not shameful but is the done thing. There is no Turkish-Islamic youth or life here. Believe me, I can hardly hear the sound of the azan. The morning azan is not read because the Cypriot people have complained that it makes a noise in the morning and they cannot sleep so it is not read. Is there anything as wonderful as to live under the sound of the azan. I don’t think so. Young people have lost their way. Believe me, I feel like I am not in a Turkish state but somewhere else. The Cypriot people here have abandoned their own culture and traditions and have entirely adopted a foreign culture. And this of course is very bad. Cyprus should definitely be brought back into the fold. I am looking for Nationalist friends and cannot find any. There is a hearth [the term used by this party to describe its meeting places] only in Nicosia. This is also bad. I hope there is one at my university. May the Lord be your companion and protector.

The author here in saying, "The Cypriot people here have abandoned their own culture and traditions" totally fails to appreciate that over the four centuries plus in which Turkish-speakers have lived on the island they have developed their own unique culture. Turkish Cypriots are just a entitled to define their identity in their own terms as anybody else.

I think SoSolidCrew falls into a similar trap. Looking from Turkey, he imagines that the azan must be a serious issue in the Cyprus problem. Actually, in Cyprus this is a non-issue.

Quite right ! my TC fellows practice a much watered-down version of Islam which elevate them further in my esteem. Whereas in the south, the influence of the medieval greek orthodoxy is still lying at the root of their troubles.

BTW, whether from MHP or BBP or AKP, all islamofascists are landmarks of low I.Q.

As for Kyrenia American university both the level of education and the quality of their student intake speaks volumes as can be understood by this poor Chrysi Avgi's Turkish equivalent.

I couldn't help coming back and adding a note here about the azan in the north of Cyprus. I happened to be in the Arasta Street area of Nicosia yesterday at early evening prayer time. I was aware of the sound of the azan floating from a single mosque, the big one next to the closed market. It was not over-amplified and the person reading it had a pleasant melodic voice. It had a mystic, enchanting character to it.

How different from any town or city in Anatolia where the call to prayer is broadcast simultanously from a large number of mosques, each one seemingly vying with the other to amplify it from four loud speakers set at a deafening volume. The result, since each mosque's azan is slightly out of synch with the others, is that the tinny amplified sounds of human voices bawling out the call to prayer in a language whose sounds and cadence most of the readers have not really mastered fuses into a hideous, deafening cacophany.

The Turkish Cypriot approach to reading and broadcasting the azan wins hand down for me.

[Cem]

Just to pick up on the point of the azan (as it is correctly spelt in English) - and I for one, having live in Anatolia for a long time, certainly know what it is - which the author of this thread perceives to be a major obstacle to settling the Cyprus problem, I came across the following interesting post on the following thread (4th post):

http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:E_ ... clnk&cd=17

The title of the thread is "What is life like in the TRNC?". It is to be found on a website of the youth section of a large neo-fascist party in Turkey (MHP). The author of this post is clearly a devotee of the Turkish-Islamic synthesis, an ideology especially dear to the hearts of most MHP supporters. It sheds some interesting light on the way conservative mainland Turks view Turkish Cypriot society.

Those wishing to read the original Turkish text can click the above link; here is my English translation:

I have been in Cyprus for one week, and believe me I had this place worked out on the first day I spent here. I am studying at the Kyrenia American University. It is really a different environment. When I learned that I had been accepted here I was really delighted because this is a Turkish-Islamic land. But, believe me, it is no such thing. Humanity has vanished. Quite a lot of students have cars and and mixed sex groups sit in them and smoke cigarettes. Smoking is not shameful but is the done thing. There is no Turkish-Islamic youth or life here. Believe me, I can hardly hear the sound of the azan. The morning azan is not read because the Cypriot people have complained that it makes a noise in the morning and they cannot sleep so it is not read. Is there anything as wonderful as to live under the sound of the azan. I don’t think so. Young people have lost their way. Believe me, I feel like I am not in a Turkish state but somewhere else. The Cypriot people here have abandoned their own culture and traditions and have entirely adopted a foreign culture. And this of course is very bad. Cyprus should definitely be brought back into the fold. I am looking for Nationalist friends and cannot find any. There is a hearth [the term used by this party to describe its meeting places] only in Nicosia. This is also bad. I hope there is one at my university. May the Lord be your companion and protector.

The author here in saying, "The Cypriot people here have abandoned their own culture and traditions" totally fails to appreciate that over the four centuries plus in which Turkish-speakers have lived on the island they have developed their own unique culture. Turkish Cypriots are just a entitled to define their identity in their own terms as anybody else.

I think SoSolidCrew falls into a similar trap. Looking from Turkey, he imagines that the azan must be a serious issue in the Cyprus problem. Actually, in Cyprus this is a non-issue.

Quite right ! my TC fellows practice a much watered-down version of Islam which elevate them further in my esteem. Whereas in the south, the influence of the medieval greek orthodoxy is still lying at the root of their troubles.

BTW, whether from MHP or BBP or AKP, all islamofascists are landmarks of low I.Q.

As for Kyrenia American university both the level of education and the quality of their student intake speaks volumes as can be understood by this poor Chrysi Avgi's Turkish equivalent.

I couldn't help coming back and adding a note here about the azan in the north of Cyprus. I happened to be in the Arasta Street area of Nicosia yesterday at early evening prayer time. I was aware of the sound of the azan floating from a single mosque, the big one next to the closed market. It was not over-amplified and the person reading it had a pleasant melodic voice. It had a mystic, enchanting character to it.

How different from any town or city in Anatolia where the call to prayer is broadcast simultanously from a large number of mosques, each one seemingly vying with the other to amplify it from four loud speakers set at a deafening volume. The result, since each mosque's azan is slightly out of synch with the others, is that the tinny amplified sounds of human voices bawling out the call to prayer in a language whose sounds and cadence most of the readers have not really mastered fuses into a hideous, deafening cacophany.

The Turkish Cypriot approach to reading and broadcasting the azan wins hand down for me.

You are quite correct in your observations, Tim ! My compliments !

Unfortunately, North of Cyprus is on its way to become fast an Anatolian town unless AKP government is disposed of at once. On the other hand, the irony of having loudspeakers set to the full volume, as you have noted, not only distorts the prayer itself, but is also a big handicap for the small children, elderly and particularly the ill people. I used to have a flat in some plush quarter in Istanbul that I put up for sale after a mosque was built right across.