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[Cem]

Just to pick up on the point of the azan (as it is correctly spelt in English) - and I for one, having live in Anatolia for a long time, certainly know what it is - which the author of this thread perceives to be a major obstacle to settling the Cyprus problem, I came across the following interesting post on the following thread (4th post):

http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:E_ ... clnk&cd=17

The title of the thread is "What is life like in the TRNC?". It is to be found on a website of the youth section of a large neo-fascist party in Turkey (MHP). The author of this post is clearly a devotee of the Turkish-Islamic synthesis, an ideology especially dear to the hearts of most MHP supporters. It sheds some interesting light on the way conservative mainland Turks view Turkish Cypriot society.

Those wishing to read the original Turkish text can click the above link; here is my English translation:

I have been in Cyprus for one week, and believe me I had this place worked out on the first day I spent here. I am studying at the Kyrenia American University. It is really a different environment. When I learned that I had been accepted here I was really delighted because this is a Turkish-Islamic land. But, believe me, it is no such thing. Humanity has vanished. Quite a lot of students have cars and and mixed sex groups sit in them and smoke cigarettes. Smoking is not shameful but is the done thing. There is no Turkish-Islamic youth or life here. Believe me, I can hardly hear the sound of the azan. The morning azan is not read because the Cypriot people have complained that it makes a noise in the morning and they cannot sleep so it is not read. Is there anything as wonderful as to live under the sound of the azan. I don’t think so. Young people have lost their way. Believe me, I feel like I am not in a Turkish state but somewhere else. The Cypriot people here have abandoned their own culture and traditions and have entirely adopted a foreign culture. And this of course is very bad. Cyprus should definitely be brought back into the fold. I am looking for Nationalist friends and cannot find any. There is a hearth [the term used by this party to describe its meeting places] only in Nicosia. This is also bad. I hope there is one at my university. May the Lord be your companion and protector.

The author here in saying, "The Cypriot people here have abandoned their own culture and traditions" totally fails to appreciate that over the four centuries plus in which Turkish-speakers have lived on the island they have developed their own unique culture. Turkish Cypriots are just a entitled to define their identity in their own terms as anybody else.

I think SoSolidCrew falls into a similar trap. Looking from Turkey, he imagines that the azan must be a serious issue in the Cyprus problem. Actually, in Cyprus this is a non-issue.

Quite right ! my TC fellows practice a much watered-down version of Islam which elevate them further in my esteem. Whereas in the south, the influence of the medieval greek orthodoxy is still lying at the root of their troubles.

BTW, whether from MHP or BBP or AKP, all islamofascists are landmarks of low I.Q.

As for Kyrenia American university both the level of education and the quality of their student intake speaks volumes as can be understood by this poor Chrysi Avgi's Turkish equivalent.

[zan]

Just to pick up on the point of the azan (as it is correctly spelt in English) - and I for one, having live in Anatolia for a long time, certainly know what it is - which the author of this thread perceives to be a major obstacle to settling the Cyprus problem, I came across the following interesting post on the following thread (4th post):

http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:E_ ... clnk&cd=17

The title of the thread is "What is life like in the TRNC?". It is to be found on a website of the youth section of a large neo-fascist party in Turkey (MHP). The author of this post is clearly a devotee of the Turkish-Islamic synthesis, an ideology especially dear to the hearts of most MHP supporters. It sheds some interesting light on the way conservative mainland Turks view Turkish Cypriot society.

Those wishing to read the original Turkish text can click the above link; here is my English translation:

I have been in Cyprus for one week, and believe me I had this place worked out on the first day I spent here. I am studying at the Kyrenia American University. It is really a different environment. When I learned that I had been accepted here I was really delighted because this is a Turkish-Islamic land. But, believe me, it is no such thing. Humanity has vanished. Quite a lot of students have cars and and mixed sex groups sit in them and smoke cigarettes. Smoking is not shameful but is the done thing. There is no Turkish-Islamic youth or life here. Believe me, I can hardly hear the sound of the azan. The morning azan is not read because the Cypriot people have complained that it makes a noise in the morning and they cannot sleep so it is not read. Is there anything as wonderful as to live under the sound of the azan. I don’t think so. Young people have lost their way. Believe me, I feel like I am not in a Turkish state but somewhere else. The Cypriot people here have abandoned their own culture and traditions and have entirely adopted a foreign culture. And this of course is very bad. Cyprus should definitely be brought back into the fold. I am looking for Nationalist friends and cannot find any. There is a hearth [the term used by this party to describe its meeting places] only in Nicosia. This is also bad. I hope there is one at my university. May the Lord be your companion and protector.

The author here in saying, "The Cypriot people here have abandoned their own culture and traditions" totally fails to appreciate that over the four centuries plus in which Turkish-speakers have lived on the island they have developed their own unique culture. Turkish Cypriots are just a entitled to define their identity in their own terms as anybody else.

I think SoSolidCrew falls into a similar trap. Looking from Turkey, he imagines that the azan must be a serious issue in the Cyprus problem. Actually, in Cyprus this is a non-issue.

Quite right ! my TC fellows practice a much watered-down version of Islam which elevate them further in my esteem. Whereas in the south, the influence of the medieval greek orthodoxy is still lying at the root of their troubles.

BTW, whether from MHP or BBP or AKP, all islamofascists are landmarks of low I.Q.

As for Kyrenia American university both the level of education and the quality of their student intake speaks volumes as can be understood by this poor Chrysi Avgi's Turkish equivalent.

A clash of cultures.......I wonder what this same person would have thought about life with both Cypriots in the UK in the 60/70s.......The hoards of adults worked in sweat shops and their children.....Well if you wanted a stolen car stereo, you went to TC youth and if you wanted drugs o the GCs. The Cypriot cafes were full of drunk gambling men. I never went to wedding hat did not have at least two giant fights in it and that was the old Cypriots....Of course I am generalising here!!!

[YFred]

Just to pick up on the point of the azan (as it is correctly spelt in English) - and I for one, having live in Anatolia for a long time, certainly know what it is - which the author of this thread perceives to be a major obstacle to settling the Cyprus problem, I came across the following interesting post on the following thread (4th post):

http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:E_ ... clnk&cd=17

The title of the thread is "What is life like in the TRNC?". It is to be found on a website of the youth section of a large neo-fascist party in Turkey (MHP). The author of this post is clearly a devotee of the Turkish-Islamic synthesis, an ideology especially dear to the hearts of most MHP supporters. It sheds some interesting light on the way conservative mainland Turks view Turkish Cypriot society.

Those wishing to read the original Turkish text can click the above link; here is my English translation:

I have been in Cyprus for one week, and believe me I had this place worked out on the first day I spent here. I am studying at the Kyrenia American University. It is really a different environment. When I learned that I had been accepted here I was really delighted because this is a Turkish-Islamic land. But, believe me, it is no such thing. Humanity has vanished. Quite a lot of students have cars and and mixed sex groups sit in them and smoke cigarettes. Smoking is not shameful but is the done thing. There is no Turkish-Islamic youth or life here. Believe me, I can hardly hear the sound of the azan. The morning azan is not read because the Cypriot people have complained that it makes a noise in the morning and they cannot sleep so it is not read. Is there anything as wonderful as to live under the sound of the azan. I don’t think so. Young people have lost their way. Believe me, I feel like I am not in a Turkish state but somewhere else. The Cypriot people here have abandoned their own culture and traditions and have entirely adopted a foreign culture. And this of course is very bad. Cyprus should definitely be brought back into the fold. I am looking for Nationalist friends and cannot find any. There is a hearth [the term used by this party to describe its meeting places] only in Nicosia. This is also bad. I hope there is one at my university. May the Lord be your companion and protector.

The author here in saying, "The Cypriot people here have abandoned their own culture and traditions" totally fails to appreciate that over the four centuries plus in which Turkish-speakers have lived on the island they have developed their own unique culture. Turkish Cypriots are just a entitled to define their identity in their own terms as anybody else.

I think SoSolidCrew falls into a similar trap. Looking from Turkey, he imagines that the azan must be a serious issue in the Cyprus problem. Actually, in Cyprus this is a non-issue.

Quite right ! my TC fellows practice a much watered-down version of Islam which elevate them further in my esteem. Whereas in the south, the influence of the medieval greek orthodoxy is still lying at the root of their troubles.

BTW, whether from MHP or BBP or AKP, all islamofascists are landmarks of low I.Q.

As for Kyrenia American university both the level of education and the quality of their student intake speaks volumes as can be understood by this poor Chrysi Avgi's Turkish equivalent.

A clash of cultures.......I wonder what this same person would have thought about life with both Cypriots in the UK in the 60/70s.......The hoards of adults worked in sweat shops and their children.....Well if you wanted a stolen car stereo, you went to TC youth and if you wanted drugs o the GCs. The Cypriot cafes were full of drunk gambling men. I never went to wedding hat did not have at least two giant fights in it and that was the old Cypriots....Of course I am generalising here!!!

Zan, not forgetting being held in boiling hot busses just outside Turkish sector of Lefkosa, up to 4 hours in the heat with the policemen enjoying the torture they inflicted on the Turkish Cypriots.

Even at that time you also witnessed decent GC’s coming out of their flats and houses and offering water to the TCs. No records to prove this one I am afraid. This personal eye witness and all that.

[zan]

Just to pick up on the point of the azan (as it is correctly spelt in English) - and I for one, having live in Anatolia for a long time, certainly know what it is - which the author of this thread perceives to be a major obstacle to settling the Cyprus problem, I came across the following interesting post on the following thread (4th post):

http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:E_ ... clnk&cd=17

The title of the thread is "What is life like in the TRNC?". It is to be found on a website of the youth section of a large neo-fascist party in Turkey (MHP). The author of this post is clearly a devotee of the Turkish-Islamic synthesis, an ideology especially dear to the hearts of most MHP supporters. It sheds some interesting light on the way conservative mainland Turks view Turkish Cypriot society.

Those wishing to read the original Turkish text can click the above link; here is my English translation:

I have been in Cyprus for one week, and believe me I had this place worked out on the first day I spent here. I am studying at the Kyrenia American University. It is really a different environment. When I learned that I had been accepted here I was really delighted because this is a Turkish-Islamic land. But, believe me, it is no such thing. Humanity has vanished. Quite a lot of students have cars and and mixed sex groups sit in them and smoke cigarettes. Smoking is not shameful but is the done thing. There is no Turkish-Islamic youth or life here. Believe me, I can hardly hear the sound of the azan. The morning azan is not read because the Cypriot people have complained that it makes a noise in the morning and they cannot sleep so it is not read. Is there anything as wonderful as to live under the sound of the azan. I don’t think so. Young people have lost their way. Believe me, I feel like I am not in a Turkish state but somewhere else. The Cypriot people here have abandoned their own culture and traditions and have entirely adopted a foreign culture. And this of course is very bad. Cyprus should definitely be brought back into the fold. I am looking for Nationalist friends and cannot find any. There is a hearth [the term used by this party to describe its meeting places] only in Nicosia. This is also bad. I hope there is one at my university. May the Lord be your companion and protector.

The author here in saying, "The Cypriot people here have abandoned their own culture and traditions" totally fails to appreciate that over the four centuries plus in which Turkish-speakers have lived on the island they have developed their own unique culture. Turkish Cypriots are just a entitled to define their identity in their own terms as anybody else.

I think SoSolidCrew falls into a similar trap. Looking from Turkey, he imagines that the azan must be a serious issue in the Cyprus problem. Actually, in Cyprus this is a non-issue.

Quite right ! my TC fellows practice a much watered-down version of Islam which elevate them further in my esteem. Whereas in the south, the influence of the medieval greek orthodoxy is still lying at the root of their troubles.

BTW, whether from MHP or BBP or AKP, all islamofascists are landmarks of low I.Q.

As for Kyrenia American university both the level of education and the quality of their student intake speaks volumes as can be understood by this poor Chrysi Avgi's Turkish equivalent.

A clash of cultures.......I wonder what this same person would have thought about life with both Cypriots in the UK in the 60/70s.......The hoards of adults worked in sweat shops and their children.....Well if you wanted a stolen car stereo, you went to TC youth and if you wanted drugs o the GCs. The Cypriot cafes were full of drunk gambling men. I never went to wedding hat did not have at least two giant fights in it and that was the old Cypriots....Of course I am generalising here!!!

Zan, not forgetting being held in boiling hot busses just outside Turkish sector of Lefkosa, up to 4 hours in the heat with the policemen enjoying the torture they inflicted on the Turkish Cypriots.

Even at that time you also witnessed decent GC’s coming out of their flats and houses and offering water to the TCs. No records to prove this one I am afraid. This personal eye witness and all that.

My own mother was strip searched by a perverted GC policeman mate..

[Get Real!]

Whereas in the south, the influence of the medieval greek orthodoxy is still lying at the root of their troubles.

Why don't you tell us all about that...

As for Kyrenia American university both the level of education and the quality of their student intake speaks volumes...

Again, why don't you tell us all about that LEVEL, and QUALITY of intake...

How did you arrive at all these conclusions?

[Nikitas]

Have you asked TCs what they think of Anatolian Turks? I read some interesting comments by TC journalists in the daily press translations. They say things about the settlers that are a lot harder than anything GCs say.

In any case, those married to GCs stay. The rest can go back to their home towns in Turkey, they do not need to steal someone else's land and property.

[Cem]

Whereas in the south, the influence of the medieval greek orthodoxy is still lying at the root of their troubles.

Why don't you tell us all about that...1) .

Into nit-picking as usual....

Religion and politics mixing together have been historically proven to be hazardous to.....the health of nations. Ex: Makarios. He signed those 1960 agreements that most of you complain about later. Had he been a wiser politician and not a church amateur, he would have declined to sign it and predicted its dreary consequences beforehand. So next time, take a good care to elect politicians with a bit of foresight.
Another issue, every president is responsible to defend the republic as well as its people. Had he been a wiser politician, he would have predicted what was brewing in July 1974, would have taken necessary measures to block the EOKA-B coupists instead of fleeing.

As for Kyrenia American university both the level of education and the quality of their student intake speaks volumes...

Again, why don't you tell us all about that LEVEL, and QUALITY of intake...

How did you arrive at all these conclusions?

Too much curiosity kills the cat...
Though I know you can handle the assessment of a university with a bit of Internet help, however for a more accurate start, send your kids or a friend of yours over there and see for yourself.
What else can I say ? You don't expect me to disclose my personal experiences on a public forum, don't you ? Remember Seeing is Believing.

[Get Real!]

Whereas in the south, the influence of the medieval greek orthodoxy is still lying at the root of their troubles.

Why don't you tell us all about that...1) .

Into nit-picking as usual....

Religion and politics mixing together have been historically proven to be hazardous to.....the health of nations. Ex: Makarios. He signed those 1960 agreements that most of you complain about later. Had he been a wiser politician and not a church amateur, he would have declined to sign it and predicted its dreary consequences beforehand. So next time, take a good care to elect politicians with a bit of foresight.
Another issue, every president is responsible to defend the republic as well as its people. Had he been a wiser politician, he would have predicted what was brewing in July 1974, would have taken necessary measures to block the EOKA-B coupists instead of fleeing.

None of the above is relevant to what you initially said... take good note of your key words is still lying!

As for Kyrenia American university both the level of education and the quality of their student intake speaks volumes...

Again, why don't you tell us all about that LEVEL, and QUALITY of intake...

How did you arrive at all these conclusions?

Too much curiosity kills the cat...
Though I know you can handle the assessment of a university with a bit of Internet help, however for a more accurate start, send your kids or a friend of yours over there and see for yourself.
What else can I say ? You don't expect me to disclose my personal experiences on a public forum, don't you ? Remember Seeing is Believing.

You made sweeping statements in a political forum but are unable to back them with a credible source just as I expected, because like so many Turkish Cypriots you always ASSUME!

For your info the institution you're referring to doesn't even rank in the top 1,000 in Europe, in fact it doesn't even rank ANYWHERE, and your alleged "quality intake" is nothing but a bunch of 3rd world goofballs from Turkey, Pakistan, Azerbaijan and similar 3rd world students, who are CONNED into believing that the TC institutions are recognized and high ranking via BOGUS advertising campaigns!

I'll be doing a dedicated article on that soon and you’ll see for yourself what I’m talking about.

[YFred]

Just to pick up on the point of the azan (as it is correctly spelt in English) - and I for one, having live in Anatolia for a long time, certainly know what it is - which the author of this thread perceives to be a major obstacle to settling the Cyprus problem, I came across the following interesting post on the following thread (4th post):

http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:E_ ... clnk&cd=17

The title of the thread is "What is life like in the TRNC?". It is to be found on a website of the youth section of a large neo-fascist party in Turkey (MHP). The author of this post is clearly a devotee of the Turkish-Islamic synthesis, an ideology especially dear to the hearts of most MHP supporters. It sheds some interesting light on the way conservative mainland Turks view Turkish Cypriot society.

Those wishing to read the original Turkish text can click the above link; here is my English translation:

I have been in Cyprus for one week, and believe me I had this place worked out on the first day I spent here. I am studying at the Kyrenia American University. It is really a different environment. When I learned that I had been accepted here I was really delighted because this is a Turkish-Islamic land. But, believe me, it is no such thing. Humanity has vanished. Quite a lot of students have cars and and mixed sex groups sit in them and smoke cigarettes. Smoking is not shameful but is the done thing. There is no Turkish-Islamic youth or life here. Believe me, I can hardly hear the sound of the azan. The morning azan is not read because the Cypriot people have complained that it makes a noise in the morning and they cannot sleep so it is not read. Is there anything as wonderful as to live under the sound of the azan. I don’t think so. Young people have lost their way. Believe me, I feel like I am not in a Turkish state but somewhere else. The Cypriot people here have abandoned their own culture and traditions and have entirely adopted a foreign culture. And this of course is very bad. Cyprus should definitely be brought back into the fold. I am looking for Nationalist friends and cannot find any. There is a hearth [the term used by this party to describe its meeting places] only in Nicosia. This is also bad. I hope there is one at my university. May the Lord be your companion and protector.

The author here in saying, "The Cypriot people here have abandoned their own culture and traditions" totally fails to appreciate that over the four centuries plus in which Turkish-speakers have lived on the island they have developed their own unique culture. Turkish Cypriots are just a entitled to define their identity in their own terms as anybody else.

I think SoSolidCrew falls into a similar trap. Looking from Turkey, he imagines that the azan must be a serious issue in the Cyprus problem. Actually, in Cyprus this is a non-issue.

Quite right ! my TC fellows practice a much watered-down version of Islam which elevate them further in my esteem. Whereas in the south, the influence of the medieval greek orthodoxy is still lying at the root of their troubles.

BTW, whether from MHP or BBP or AKP, all islamofascists are landmarks of low I.Q.

As for Kyrenia American university both the level of education and the quality of their student intake speaks volumes as can be understood by this poor Chrysi Avgi's Turkish equivalent.

A clash of cultures.......I wonder what this same person would have thought about life with both Cypriots in the UK in the 60/70s.......The hoards of adults worked in sweat shops and their children.....Well if you wanted a stolen car stereo, you went to TC youth and if you wanted drugs o the GCs. The Cypriot cafes were full of drunk gambling men. I never went to wedding hat did not have at least two giant fights in it and that was the old Cypriots....Of course I am generalising here!!!

Zan, not forgetting being held in boiling hot busses just outside Turkish sector of Lefkosa, up to 4 hours in the heat with the policemen enjoying the torture they inflicted on the Turkish Cypriots.

Even at that time you also witnessed decent GC’s coming out of their flats and houses and offering water to the TCs. No records to prove this one I am afraid. This personal eye witness and all that.

My own mother was strip searched by a perverted GC policeman mate..

Sorry to hear that. But there were some decent GC's too. The trouble was that the bad ones were allowed to run riot, legally.

[zan]

I know mate....I see only one face when I imagine what my mother went through.