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Postby RAFAELLA » Fri Jan 23, 2009 4:03 pm

I had to open a new topic since its been a long time that I am waiting for an answer WITH FACTS to the claim of Doesntmatter that Greek troops invated CyR. Also, since the following comments where brought up in a different thread I decided to creat a new topic about it.

RAFAELLA
You claim that GREEK troops invaded CyR - HOW, WHY and FOR WHAT OCCASION DID WE INVITE GR TROOPS TO "INVADE" IN 1963/64?
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=21539


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If the Greek army was not there to invade and help you GCs and Greeks get your enosis then what the heck was it doing there then?
Oh yeah, go on tell me that it was "protecting" Cyprus from an "invation" by Turkey. :lol:


Dear Doesntmatter, your above answer doesntsayanything.
It's very general and I have the impression that you are just another victim of the brainwashing turkish machine.
Please let us all know
HOW, WHY and FOR WHAT OCCASION GREEK TROOPS "INVADED" CyR IN 1963/64?
I would appreciate an answer WITH FACTS.
Thank you.
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Postby zan » Fri Jan 23, 2009 4:12 pm

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Cyprus returns remains of Greek soldiers killed decades ago
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09:27, February 06, 2008


Cyprus on Tuesday repatriated the remains of 10 Greek soldiers killed during hostilities and Turkish military intervention three decades ago.

The remains, exhumed and identified through DNA tests as part of a process initiated by the Cyprus government since the late 1990s, were returned to their families at a solemn ceremony in Nicosia.

Cypriot President Tassos Papadopoulos said the 10 officers and soldiers finally could "return home as heroes, to the land they belong to."

Greek Deputy Defense Minister Constantinos Tasoulas, along with the Greek families concerned, were present at the ceremony and laid wreaths.

Cyprus has been divided since 1974 when Turkey militarily intervened and occupied the north of the island following a coup by a group of Greek officers who pushed for union with Greece.

In 1983, the Turkish Cypriot authorities declared the island's division and set up "the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus," which is recognized only by Turkey.

Ankara maintains a military presence in northern Cyprus with up to 40,000 troops.

The Cyprus National Guard has about 10,000 Greek Cypriot soldiers but many of its senior officers are from Greece, apart from 1,250 Greek troops stationed in the south.

Referring to the Cyprus problem, Papadopoulos said "we fight for true reunification of the people and the land and not for a fragile association of parts of our island, which are divided by force."

"We fight for a functional and viable solution, for a secure future, not for an insecure tomorrow," he added, noting that Greece has always stood by the side of the Greek Cypriots.

Source: Xinhua


http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001 ... 51795.html

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Postby RAFAELLA » Fri Jan 23, 2009 4:19 pm

The question is very clear Zan.
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Postby zan » Fri Jan 23, 2009 4:20 pm

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Cemetery for Greek soldiers in southern Cyprus

The local Greek newspaper Simerini published a comment on Aug. 14, 2007 about the interment of Lt. Panikos Sotiris Danezis of the Greek Hellenic Army in the Makedonitissa Tomb in the Greek Cypriot sector of Nicosia.


The remains of his body were found in Ozanköy (Kazafani) near Girne (Kyrenia) during the excavations being done by the Autonomous Missing Persons Committee. He was a sub-lieutenant in the troops sent by the government of Greece illegally to the island and was shot during combat with Turkish Peace Mission forces on July 22, 1974, at Bellapais.
According to Simerini, the excavated remains were identified by a DNA test and were inhumed with a military memorial.

His name is not in the list of the Greek mainland contingent deployed in Cyprus according to the 1960 Cyprus Treaty of Alliance. This means he was sent by the government of Greece and entered Cyprus illegally before 1974, unlawfully breaking international laws and United Nations rules and regulations.

Another local Greek newspaper published a comment on Sept. 9, 2007, about the enlargement of the Greek military cemetery.

The cemetery is now completely full and remains of soldiers sent by the Greek mainland government, now identified by the Autonomous Missing Persons Committee, can not be inhumed due to the shortage of ground.

On instructions given by Papadopoulos, the Greek Cypriot administration announced that the cemetery will be enlarged and the Ministry of Defense will handle the enlargement process.

The total number of graves already existing is not numerically in balance with the losses of the officially deployed Greek contingent in Cyprus during the 1974 Turkish intervention.

When the total number of missing Greek soldiers, buried Greek soldiers and Greek soldiers in Nicosia and Greece who managed to survive the intervention are added up, it is obvious that the amount of Greek soldiers was far more than the official number of those allowed to be deployed in Cyprus according to the 1960 Cyprus Treaty of Alliance.

Now it is time to ask what these additional Greek mainland soldiers, sent by the government of Greece, were doing on the island of Cyprus. Were they sent for a sunny holiday on the beaches of Cyprus or to massacre Turkish Cypriots in an effort to fulfill the great dream named the “Megalo Idea” by Alexander Ypsilanti in 1796?

It is officially recorded that some 20,000 Greek soldiers were sent to the island of Cyprus by the government of Greece in 1964, unofficially sneaking in with their armor, arsenal, ammunitions and vehicles.

In 1968, after four years of their tyranny and numerous massacres of Turkish Cypriots, these illegal Greek troops were forced to go back to Greece by an ultimatum from Turkey.

Paragraph 25 of the UN Secretary-General’s Report S/83446 of March 1968 to the UN Security Council, Appendix 18, titled “Withdrawal of Greek mainland troops from Cyprus,” reads as follows:

“25. The repatriation of the Greek national troops took place between 8 December 1967 and 16 January 1968, in pursuance of an agreement between Greece and Turkey arrived at in response to the Secretary-General’s appeals of 22 November, 24 November and 3 December 1967 (S/8248/Adds. 3,5 and 6). Since the responsibility for the repatriation operation was assumed at the time by the parties themselves and did not, strictly speaking, come within the UNFICYP mandate, UNFICYP undertook no independent observation in this connection. It was evident however that several thousand Greek National troops had left the island, taking with them a considerable amount of equipment and vehicles, including tanks. It is believed that most of the troops who were embarked came from formed units that were serving as part of the [Greek] Cyprus Government’s armed forces. It is known however that Greek national army officers and men are still serving individually in the National Guard and on the headquarters staff, but UNFICYP has not been in a position to estimate their number.”

It is quite obvious that the withdrawal of Greek mainland troops from Cyprus was just a display or a comedy staged by the Greek Cypriot administration and the government of Greece.

They existed on the island of Cyprus illegally and unlawfully from 1963 to 1974 and have numbered around 7,000 since 1974.

Whose existence is illegal on the island?

Is it the Turkish troops, who intervened according to the 1960 Cyprus Treaty of Guarantee on July 20, 1974 to prevent inter-communal clashes, or the Greek mainland troops, who are on the island with no official reason or treaty and killed thousands of innocent Turkish Cypriots during the dark years from 1963 to 1974?

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/yazar ... rno=122781
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Postby zan » Fri Jan 23, 2009 4:27 pm

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Grivas and the National Guard reacted to Turkish pressure by initiating patrols into the Turkish Cypriot enclaves. Patrols surrounded two villages, Ayios Theodhoros and Kophinou, about twenty-five kilometers southwest of Larnaca, and began sending in heavily armed patrols. Fighting broke out, and by the time the Guard withdrew, twenty-six Turkish Cypriots had been killed. Turkey issued an ultimatum and threatened to intervene in force to protect Turkish Cypriots. To back up their demands, the Turks massed troops on the Thracian border separating Greece and Turkey and began assembling an amphibious invasion force. The ultimatum's conditions included the expulsion of Grivas from Cyprus, removal of Greek troops from Cyprus, payment of indemnity for the casualties at Ayios Theodhoros and Kophinou, cessation of pressure on the Turkish Cypriot community, and the disbanding of the National Guard.

Grivas resigned as commander of the Greek Cypriot forces on November 20, 1967, and left the island, but the Turks did not reduce their readiness posture, and the dangerous situation of two NATO nations on the threshold of war with each other continued. President Johnson dispatched Cyrus R. Vance as his special envoy to Turkey, Greece, and Cyprus. Vance arrived in Ankara in late November and began ten days of negotiations that defused the situation. Greece agreed to withdraw its forces on Cyprus except for the contingent allowed by the 1960 treaties, provided that Turkey did the same and also dismounted its invasion force. Turkey agreed, and the crisis passed. During December 1967 and early January 1968, about 10,000 Greek troops were withdrawn. Makarios did not disband the National Guard, however, something he came to regret when it rebelled against him in 1974.

Seizing the opportune moment after the crisis had ended, in late December 1967 Turkish Cypriot leaders announced the establishment of a "transitional administration" to govern their community's affairs "until such time as the provisions of the Constitution of 1960 have been fully implemented." The body's president was Fazil Küçük, vice-president of the republic; the body's vice-president was Rauf Denktas, president of the Turkish Cypriot Communal Chamber. Nineteen governing articles, called the Basic Principles, were announced, and the provisional administration organized itself along lines that were similar to a cabinet. The provisional administration also formed a legislative assembly composed of the Turkish Cypriot members-in-absentia of the republic's House of Representatives and the members of the Turkish Cypriot Communal Chamber. The provisional administration did not state that the Communal Chamber was being abolished. Nor did it seek recognition as a government. Such actions would have been contrary to the provisions of the constitution and the Zurich-London agreements, and the Turkish Cypriots as well as the Turks scrupulously avoided any such abrogation. The Greek Cypriots immediately concluded that the formation of governing bodies was in preparation for partition. U Thant was also critical of the new organizations.


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Postby runaway » Fri Jan 23, 2009 4:28 pm

and the answer as clean as Mediterranean Sea.
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Re: Answer with facts please

Postby doesntmatter » Fri Jan 23, 2009 4:30 pm

RAFAELLA wrote:I had to open a new topic since its been a long time that I am waiting for an answer WITH FACTS to the claim of Doesntmatter that Greek troops invated CyR. Also, since the following comments where brought up in a different thread I decided to creat a new topic about it.

RAFAELLA
You claim that GREEK troops invaded CyR - HOW, WHY and FOR WHAT OCCASION DID WE INVITE GR TROOPS TO "INVADE" IN 1963/64?
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=21539


Doesntmatter
If the Greek army was not there to invade and help you GCs and Greeks get your enosis then what the heck was it doing there then?
Oh yeah, go on tell me that it was "protecting" Cyprus from an "invation" by Turkey. :lol:


Dear Doesntmatter, your above answer doesntsayanything.
It's very general and I have the impression that you are just another victim of the brainwashing turkish machine.
Please let us all know
HOW, WHY and FOR WHAT OCCASION GREEK TROOPS "INVADED" CyR IN 1963/64?
I would appreciate an answer WITH FACTS.
Thank you.


The simple and correct answer to your silly "HOW, WHY and FOR WHAT OCCASION GREEK TROOPS INVADED CyR IN 1963/64?" question is ENOSIS.....and that is a FACT, the whole FACT and nothing but the FACT.

And Rafaella, I do in fact believe it's not really your fault that you are just another victim of the brainwashing Greek/GC machine.

And now all you have to do is to tell us that Greece and the GCs did not want ENOSIS in 63/64 to prove what a brainwashed Greek you are. :wink:

But maybe you'll just claim that Greece and the GCs did in fact want enosis but that was not the real reason why the Greek soldiers were in Cyprus. :lol:

I eagerly await your comments. :wink:
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Postby doesntmatter » Fri Jan 23, 2009 5:11 pm

Hmmm...looks like we are going to have to wait another week or so for Rafaella to study the the enosis wish of the Greeks and GCs and maybe ask her peers to find a "reasonable excuse" for the Greek army's presence in Cyprus.

In other words, more brainwashing for Rafaella before she is allowed to reply. :wink:
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Postby Nikitas » Fri Jan 23, 2009 5:25 pm

The only Enosis we have experience in Cyprus is that of the north with Turkey. So piss off about this Enosis excuse, it is very stale. The GCs fought against it, the TCs embraced it.
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Postby zan » Fri Jan 23, 2009 5:34 pm

Nikitas wrote:The only Enosis we have experience in Cyprus is that of the north with Turkey. So piss off about this Enosis excuse, it is very stale. The GCs fought against it, the TCs embraced it.


All there was was a power struggle with the Greek people......ENOSIS was and is still there.....Part achieved.
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