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[DT.]

The problem started in 1960

The actual wording

Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot
THE RIGHT TO SELF DETERMINATION
ie. Create your own governments in one Country

Regards
Michael

The problem did not start in 1960. It started in 1 April of 1955. Establishment of terror organization EOKA.

Of course! When Cyprus was ruled by the Turks and Cypriots were massacred by the 10s of thousands, made to pay double the taxes, and treated like shit, there was "no problem".

When the Cypriots were subjects of the British empire against their will, there was "no problem".

We never had a problem until 1955 - everything was great until then. And then the "ungrateful slaves" of Cyprus decided to revolt against their oppressors. Now that was the problem!

Here is an example of how the Turks solve the "problems":

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

Quit being funny. We are talking about 280 years before. Bishop Kyprianos was a supporter of rebellion againist Ottoman Empire and was supporting Greek Rebels with money, food etc. 280 years before, not only Ottoman Empire, any of other countries were solving problems like this.

You say that all your troubles began on 01 Apr 55. But we were always somebody else's subject, never free.

1955 was our uprising for self determination and the TCs began to fight against us from 1958 and onwards. Things were going well for the TCs up until then, because we were subjects and slaves. You never wanted us to gain our independence and you wanted us to be forever subjugated.

Your so-called battle's aim againist British was establishing a fully Greek Cyprus, which means ignoring Turkish Cypriot's on the island. First you rebelled British, and then turn to TC's because TC's were a big threat againist a Greek ruled Cyprus. That is why EOKA burned so many Turkish Cypriot villages, murdered thousands.

Your independence means nothing for TC's as TC's would be a minority and have no rights on the island. This is what you don't get.

Could you tell us which villages EOKA burnt from the many you quote and when these "thousands of TC's were killed by EOKA?

He made a statement, let him back it up. Answer the question when you get back matey.

[Paphitis]

The problem started in 1960

The actual wording

Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot
THE RIGHT TO SELF DETERMINATION
ie. Create your own governments in one Country

Regards
Michael

The problem did not start in 1960. It started in 1 April of 1955. Establishment of terror organization EOKA.

Of course! When Cyprus was ruled by the Turks and Cypriots were massacred by the 10s of thousands, made to pay double the taxes, and treated like shit, there was "no problem".

When the Cypriots were subjects of the British empire against their will, there was "no problem".

We never had a problem until 1955 - everything was great until then. And then the "ungrateful slaves" of Cyprus decided to revolt against their oppressors. Now that was the problem!

Here is an example of how the Turks solve the "problems":

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

Quit being funny. We are talking about 280 years before. Bishop Kyprianos was a supporter of rebellion againist Ottoman Empire and was supporting Greek Rebels with money, food etc. 280 years before, not only Ottoman Empire, any of other countries were solving problems like this.

You say that all your troubles began on 01 Apr 55. But we were always somebody else's subject, never free.

1955 was our uprising for self determination and the TCs began to fight against us from 1958 and onwards. Things were going well for the TCs up until then, because we were subjects and slaves. You never wanted us to gain our independence and you wanted us to be forever subjugated.

Your so-called battle's aim againist British was establishing a fully Greek Cyprus, which means ignoring Turkish Cypriot's on the island. First you rebelled British, and then turn to TC's because TC's were a big threat againist a Greek ruled Cyprus. That is why EOKA burned so many Turkish Cypriot villages, murdered thousands.

Your independence means nothing for TC's as TC's would be a minority and have no rights on the island. This is what you don't get.

What a load of rubbish.

The TCs had an opportunity to join the self determination struggle when Grivas pleaded with the Turkish Community to take arms against the British yoke. The TCs instead chose to take arms against the GCs in 1958, and hence it is the TCs that missed a great opportunity in joining their GC brothers against the British.

EOKA only sought assistance from Greece as they were the only nation to actually assist us with our struggle. If you had joined our struggle, then we would have had no other choice but to include you in all arrangements which may have included an independent Cyprus and not Enosis.

But in any case, what gives you the idea that a minority has any right to prevent what the majority democratically desire?

Things you write are contradictory with what you have done. We had a common republic in 1960, we gained our independence from British. Then why attack Turkish Cypriots again in 1963 if we had the goal, I mean gaining independence from the British? The answer is simply, your goal was not only gaining independence, also making dream of ENOSIS come true, which means uniting with Greece.

p.s. off to school, I have exam so I can't answer your next post.

Because the 1959 Zurich Agreement was imposed on us as punishment for the 55-59 campaign. It discriminated against one community in order to give another community disproportionate powers instead of building a nation of just Cypriot citizens which are EQUAL on an individual basis. This led to some resentment and Makarios was forced to introduce a 13 point amendment plan which the TCs would only naturally oppose. The TCs then withdraw from Governance, and withdraw into enclaves under the guidance of TMT.

So now you understand the importance f having a settlement based on EQUALITY as Cypriot Citizens and not as a GC and TC community...

Good luck with your exam.

And when you get back, please address this issue as requested by DT:

Could you tell us which villages EOKA burnt from the many you quote and when these "thousands of TC's were killed by EOKA?

We need to know how many TC villages were burned by EOKA and what were their names?

Also, your claim about thousands of TCs being killed by EOKA is a MASSIVE exaggeration. How did you arrive at this figure?

[Oracle]

... That is why EOKA burned so many Turkish Cypriot villages, murdered thousands.

Another one from the Adolf Hitler finishing school ..

“Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it”

[Get Real!]

That is why EOKA burned so many Turkish Cypriot villages, murdered thousands.

Yet another Turkish Cypriot with all these fantasy stories coming out his rear end. Prunes must be the staple diet in the “TRNC”…

A can of prunes a day makes reality go away…

[denizaksulu]

Paphitis said/quoted,

' Furthermore, the Greek troops were immediately withdrawn when the UN stationed a peacekeeping force (UNFICYP) to protect GCs from TMT seperatists. '.

Did I read this right? I know you have a sense of humour, but that is a ridiculous statement. Are you sure it is not the other way round? or you could have said 'to keep the two parties apart'.

Now I will ask you for some credible evidence for this. Please.

[Paphitis]

Paphitis said/quoted,

' Furthermore, the Greek troops were immediately withdrawn when the UN stationed a peacekeeping force (UNFICYP) to protect GCs from TMT seperatists. '.

Did I read this right? I know you have a sense of humour, but that is a ridiculous statement. Are you sure it is not the other way round? or you could have said 'to keep the two parties apart'.

Now I will ask you for some credible evidence for this. Please.

I posted the evidence in the TMT and Enclaves thread.

[Get Real!]

Paphitis said/quoted,

' Furthermore, the Greek troops were immediately withdrawn when the UN stationed a peacekeeping force (UNFICYP) to protect GCs from TMT seperatists. '.

Did I read this right? I know you have a sense of humour, but that is a ridiculous statement. Are you sure it is not the other way round? or you could have said 'to keep the two parties apart'.

Now I will ask you for some credible evidence for this. Please.

Deniz is correct…

RESOLUTION 186 (1964)
http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr186.htm

One other little detail is that the name “UNFICYP” came much later and initially it was called “UNPKF” (United Nations Peace-Keeping Force in Cyprus).

[Paphitis]

Paphitis said/quoted,

' Furthermore, the Greek troops were immediately withdrawn when the UN stationed a peacekeeping force (UNFICYP) to protect GCs from TMT seperatists. '.

Did I read this right? I know you have a sense of humour, but that is a ridiculous statement. Are you sure it is not the other way round? or you could have said 'to keep the two parties apart'.

Now I will ask you for some credible evidence for this. Please.

Deniz is correct…

RESOLUTION 186 (1964)
http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr186.htm

One other little detail is that the name “UNFICYP” came much later and initially it was called “UNPKF” (United Nations Peace-Keeping Force in Cyprus).

Correct about what exactly?

I only stated that the Greek Army withdrew from Cyprus shortly after the deployment of a UN Peacekeeping Force which I incorrectly referred to as UNFICYP.

The bit about the peacekeeping force being deployed to protect GCs from TMT attack, may have been over zealous, but that was not the direction I wish to take in making my point.

The direction I was taking was to prove that the Greek Troops stationed in Cyprus were there to prevent a possible Turkish Invasion as well as offer security in Cyprus due to the Kophinou Blockade, and TMT arms smuggling in Kokkina.

The Greek troops were not in Cyprus to facilitate ENOSIS as is claimed by Turkish propagandists.

[denizaksulu]

Thanks for your responses boys.

Bafidis; What I am guilty of is that I do not read every thread posted. With the limitations of available time it would be an impossiblity. Perhaps a big mistake. As you know, I like a bit of recreation, otherwise you would all drive me mad.

Thaks GR. A mine of relevant data (not all of them credible - this one suits me fine)..

Now I dont want you two fighting over who was right and who was wrong.

Efkharisto

[Paphitis]

Thanks for your responses boys.

Bafidis; What I am guilty of is that I do not read every thread posted. With the limitations of available time it would be an impossiblity. Perhaps a big mistake. As you know, I like a bit of recreation, otherwise you would all drive me mad.

Thaks GR. A mine of relevant data (not all of them credible - this one suits me fine)..

Now I dont want you two fighting over who was right and who was wrong.

Efkharisto

Not a problem Deniz.

There is a full explanation above which will hopefully satisfy you.