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Postby doesntmatter » Mon Jan 26, 2009 4:12 pm

Get Real! wrote:
doesntmatter wrote:There isn't enough material in the whole planet to get the amount of slime you body is covered in dear but you still can't wiggle yourself out of the crap pit you got yourself in to.

This thread and yhour questions are for 1963/64 period and the role of the Greek Army and their help in helping the GCs get enosis.

Stay on topic or get the hell out and promise not to start another` thread unless you know what the hell you are talking about.

All in all, it wasn't a waste of time though, at least we now all know what a brainwashed slimy moron you are. :lol:

Thanks for the entertainment dear. :lol:

You're dumb, not funny, and a bloody bore so just get off of the CyProb section.


Your stupidity and that of your comrades is THE joke GR and it's bloody funny as hell.

You were born to tell tales and make people laugh and from what we see in this forum and outside, you take your "job" very seriously and keep us entertained 24/7/365.

I for one really do appriciate your efforts and thank you from the bottom of my heart, you are the best GR, the best clown that ever lived on this planet. May you live long to keep us entertained for ever:lol::lol:
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Postby CBBB » Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:23 pm

doesntmatter wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
doesntmatter wrote:There isn't enough material in the whole planet to get the amount of slime you body is covered in dear but you still can't wiggle yourself out of the crap pit you got yourself in to.

This thread and yhour questions are for 1963/64 period and the role of the Greek Army and their help in helping the GCs get enosis.

Stay on topic or get the hell out and promise not to start another` thread unless you know what the hell you are talking about.

All in all, it wasn't a waste of time though, at least we now all know what a brainwashed slimy moron you are. :lol:

Thanks for the entertainment dear. :lol:

You're dumb, not funny, and a bloody bore so just get off of the CyProb section.


Your stupidity and that of your comrades is THE joke GR and it's bloody funny as hell.

You were born to tell tales and make people laugh and from what we see in this forum and outside, you take your "job" very seriously and keep us entertained 24/7/365.

I for one really do appriciate your efforts and thank you from the bottom of my heart, you are the best GR, the best clown that ever lived on this planet. May you live long to keep us entertained for ever:lol::lol:


You make me laugh more than GR, doesntknowitsnotbutter!
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Re: The problem started in 1960

Postby Kyrenia » Tue Jan 27, 2009 12:22 pm

lyso wrote:The problem started in 1960

The actual wording

Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot
THE RIGHT TO SELF DETERMINATION
ie. Create your own governments in one Country

Regards
Michael


The problem did not start in 1960. It started in 1 April of 1955. Establishment of terror organization EOKA.
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Re: The problem started in 1960

Postby Piratis » Tue Jan 27, 2009 12:47 pm

Kyrenia wrote:
lyso wrote:The problem started in 1960

The actual wording

Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot
THE RIGHT TO SELF DETERMINATION
ie. Create your own governments in one Country

Regards
Michael


The problem did not start in 1960. It started in 1 April of 1955. Establishment of terror organization EOKA.


Of course! When Cyprus was ruled by the Turks and Cypriots were massacred by the 10s of thousands, made to pay double the taxes, and treated like shit, there was "no problem".

When the Cypriots were subjects of the British empire against their will, there was "no problem".

We never had a problem until 1955 - everything was great until then. And then the "ungrateful slaves" of Cyprus decided to revolt against their oppressors. Now that was the problem! :roll:

Here is an example of how the Turks solve the "problems":

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.
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Re: The problem started in 1960

Postby Kyrenia » Tue Jan 27, 2009 1:40 pm

Piratis wrote:
Kyrenia wrote:
lyso wrote:The problem started in 1960

The actual wording

Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot
THE RIGHT TO SELF DETERMINATION
ie. Create your own governments in one Country

Regards
Michael


The problem did not start in 1960. It started in 1 April of 1955. Establishment of terror organization EOKA.


Of course! When Cyprus was ruled by the Turks and Cypriots were massacred by the 10s of thousands, made to pay double the taxes, and treated like shit, there was "no problem".

When the Cypriots were subjects of the British empire against their will, there was "no problem".

We never had a problem until 1955 - everything was great until then. And then the "ungrateful slaves" of Cyprus decided to revolt against their oppressors. Now that was the problem! :roll:

Here is an example of how the Turks solve the "problems":

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.




Quit being funny. We are talking about 280 years before. Bishop Kyprianos was a supporter of rebellion againist Ottoman Empire (danger to soverignity) and was supporting Greek Rebels with money, food etc. 280 years before, not only Ottoman Empire, any of other countries were solving problems like this.
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Re: The problem started in 1960

Postby Paphitis » Tue Jan 27, 2009 1:48 pm

Kyrenia wrote:
Piratis wrote:
Kyrenia wrote:
lyso wrote:The problem started in 1960

The actual wording

Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot
THE RIGHT TO SELF DETERMINATION
ie. Create your own governments in one Country

Regards
Michael


The problem did not start in 1960. It started in 1 April of 1955. Establishment of terror organization EOKA.


Of course! When Cyprus was ruled by the Turks and Cypriots were massacred by the 10s of thousands, made to pay double the taxes, and treated like shit, there was "no problem".

When the Cypriots were subjects of the British empire against their will, there was "no problem".

We never had a problem until 1955 - everything was great until then. And then the "ungrateful slaves" of Cyprus decided to revolt against their oppressors. Now that was the problem! :roll:

Here is an example of how the Turks solve the "problems":

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.




Quit being funny. We are talking about 280 years before. Bishop Kyprianos was a supporter of rebellion againist Ottoman Empire and was supporting Greek Rebels with money, food etc. 280 years before, not only Ottoman Empire, any of other countries were solving problems like this.


You say that all your troubles began on 01 Apr 55. But we were always somebody else's subject, never free.

1955 was our uprising for self determination and the TCs began to fight against us from 1958 and onwards. Things were going well for the TCs up until then, because we were subjects and slaves. You never wanted us to gain our independence and you wanted us to be forever subjugated.
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Re: The problem started in 1960

Postby Kyrenia » Tue Jan 27, 2009 1:55 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Kyrenia wrote:
Piratis wrote:
Kyrenia wrote:
lyso wrote:The problem started in 1960

The actual wording

Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot
THE RIGHT TO SELF DETERMINATION
ie. Create your own governments in one Country

Regards
Michael


The problem did not start in 1960. It started in 1 April of 1955. Establishment of terror organization EOKA.


Of course! When Cyprus was ruled by the Turks and Cypriots were massacred by the 10s of thousands, made to pay double the taxes, and treated like shit, there was "no problem".

When the Cypriots were subjects of the British empire against their will, there was "no problem".

We never had a problem until 1955 - everything was great until then. And then the "ungrateful slaves" of Cyprus decided to revolt against their oppressors. Now that was the problem! :roll:

Here is an example of how the Turks solve the "problems":

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.




Quit being funny. We are talking about 280 years before. Bishop Kyprianos was a supporter of rebellion againist Ottoman Empire and was supporting Greek Rebels with money, food etc. 280 years before, not only Ottoman Empire, any of other countries were solving problems like this.


You say that all your troubles began on 01 Apr 55. But we were always somebody else's subject, never free.

1955 was our uprising for self determination and the TCs began to fight against us from 1958 and onwards. Things were going well for the TCs up until then, because we were subjects and slaves. You never wanted us to gain our independence and you wanted us to be forever subjugated.



Your so-called battle's aim againist British was establishing a fully Greek Cyprus, which means ignoring Turkish Cypriot's on the island. First you rebelled British, and then turn to TC's because TC's were a big threat againist a Greek ruled Cyprus. That is why EOKA burned so many Turkish Cypriot villages, murdered thousands.

Your independence means nothing for TC's as TC's would be a minority and have no rights on the island. This is what you don't get.
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Re: The problem started in 1960

Postby DT. » Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:03 pm

Kyrenia wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Kyrenia wrote:
Piratis wrote:
Kyrenia wrote:
lyso wrote:The problem started in 1960

The actual wording

Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot
THE RIGHT TO SELF DETERMINATION
ie. Create your own governments in one Country

Regards
Michael


The problem did not start in 1960. It started in 1 April of 1955. Establishment of terror organization EOKA.


Of course! When Cyprus was ruled by the Turks and Cypriots were massacred by the 10s of thousands, made to pay double the taxes, and treated like shit, there was "no problem".

When the Cypriots were subjects of the British empire against their will, there was "no problem".

We never had a problem until 1955 - everything was great until then. And then the "ungrateful slaves" of Cyprus decided to revolt against their oppressors. Now that was the problem! :roll:

Here is an example of how the Turks solve the "problems":

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.




Quit being funny. We are talking about 280 years before. Bishop Kyprianos was a supporter of rebellion againist Ottoman Empire and was supporting Greek Rebels with money, food etc. 280 years before, not only Ottoman Empire, any of other countries were solving problems like this.


You say that all your troubles began on 01 Apr 55. But we were always somebody else's subject, never free.

1955 was our uprising for self determination and the TCs began to fight against us from 1958 and onwards. Things were going well for the TCs up until then, because we were subjects and slaves. You never wanted us to gain our independence and you wanted us to be forever subjugated.



Your so-called battle's aim againist British was establishing a fully Greek Cyprus, which means ignoring Turkish Cypriot's on the island. First you rebelled British, and then turn to TC's because TC's were a big threat againist a Greek ruled Cyprus. That is why EOKA burned so many Turkish Cypriot villages, murdered thousands.

Your independence means nothing for TC's as TC's would be a minority and have no rights on the island. This is what you don't get.


Could you tell us which villages EOKA burnt from the many you quote and when these "thousands of TC's were killed by EOKA?
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Re: The problem started in 1960

Postby Paphitis » Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:04 pm

Kyrenia wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Kyrenia wrote:
Piratis wrote:
Kyrenia wrote:
lyso wrote:The problem started in 1960

The actual wording

Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot
THE RIGHT TO SELF DETERMINATION
ie. Create your own governments in one Country

Regards
Michael


The problem did not start in 1960. It started in 1 April of 1955. Establishment of terror organization EOKA.


Of course! When Cyprus was ruled by the Turks and Cypriots were massacred by the 10s of thousands, made to pay double the taxes, and treated like shit, there was "no problem".

When the Cypriots were subjects of the British empire against their will, there was "no problem".

We never had a problem until 1955 - everything was great until then. And then the "ungrateful slaves" of Cyprus decided to revolt against their oppressors. Now that was the problem! :roll:

Here is an example of how the Turks solve the "problems":

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.




Quit being funny. We are talking about 280 years before. Bishop Kyprianos was a supporter of rebellion againist Ottoman Empire and was supporting Greek Rebels with money, food etc. 280 years before, not only Ottoman Empire, any of other countries were solving problems like this.


You say that all your troubles began on 01 Apr 55. But we were always somebody else's subject, never free.

1955 was our uprising for self determination and the TCs began to fight against us from 1958 and onwards. Things were going well for the TCs up until then, because we were subjects and slaves. You never wanted us to gain our independence and you wanted us to be forever subjugated.



Your so-called battle's aim againist British was establishing a fully Greek Cyprus, which means ignoring Turkish Cypriot's on the island. First you rebelled British, and then turn to TC's because TC's were a big threat againist a Greek ruled Cyprus. That is why EOKA burned so many Turkish Cypriot villages, murdered thousands.

Your independence means nothing for TC's as TC's would be a minority and have no rights on the island. This is what you don't get.


What a load of rubbish.

The TCs had an opportunity to join the self determination struggle when Grivas pleaded with the Turkish Community to take arms against the British yoke. The TCs instead chose to take arms against the GCs in 1958, and hence it is the TCs that missed a great opportunity in joining their GC brothers against the British.

EOKA only sought assistance from Greece as they were the only nation to actually assist us with our struggle. If you had joined our struggle, then we would have had no other choice but to include you in all arrangements which may have included an independent Cyprus and not Enosis.

But in any case, what gives you the idea that a minority has any right to prevent what the majority democratically desire?
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Re: The problem started in 1960

Postby Kyrenia » Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:12 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Kyrenia wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Kyrenia wrote:
Piratis wrote:
Kyrenia wrote:
lyso wrote:The problem started in 1960

The actual wording

Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot
THE RIGHT TO SELF DETERMINATION
ie. Create your own governments in one Country

Regards
Michael


The problem did not start in 1960. It started in 1 April of 1955. Establishment of terror organization EOKA.


Of course! When Cyprus was ruled by the Turks and Cypriots were massacred by the 10s of thousands, made to pay double the taxes, and treated like shit, there was "no problem".

When the Cypriots were subjects of the British empire against their will, there was "no problem".

We never had a problem until 1955 - everything was great until then. And then the "ungrateful slaves" of Cyprus decided to revolt against their oppressors. Now that was the problem! :roll:

Here is an example of how the Turks solve the "problems":

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.




Quit being funny. We are talking about 280 years before. Bishop Kyprianos was a supporter of rebellion againist Ottoman Empire and was supporting Greek Rebels with money, food etc. 280 years before, not only Ottoman Empire, any of other countries were solving problems like this.


You say that all your troubles began on 01 Apr 55. But we were always somebody else's subject, never free.

1955 was our uprising for self determination and the TCs began to fight against us from 1958 and onwards. Things were going well for the TCs up until then, because we were subjects and slaves. You never wanted us to gain our independence and you wanted us to be forever subjugated.



Your so-called battle's aim againist British was establishing a fully Greek Cyprus, which means ignoring Turkish Cypriot's on the island. First you rebelled British, and then turn to TC's because TC's were a big threat againist a Greek ruled Cyprus. That is why EOKA burned so many Turkish Cypriot villages, murdered thousands.

Your independence means nothing for TC's as TC's would be a minority and have no rights on the island. This is what you don't get.


What a load of rubbish.

The TCs had an opportunity to join the self determination struggle when Grivas pleaded with the Turkish Community to take arms against the British yoke. The TCs instead chose to take arms against the GCs in 1958, and hence it is the TCs that missed a great opportunity in joining their GC brothers against the British.

EOKA only sought assistance from Greece as they were the only nation to actually assist us with our struggle. If you had joined our struggle, then we would have had no other choice but to include you in all arrangements which may have included an independent Cyprus and not Enosis.

But in any case, what gives you the idea that a minority has any right to prevent what the majority democratically desire?



Things you write are contradictory with what you have done. We had a common republic in 1960, we gained our independence from British. Then why attack Turkish Cypriots again in 1963 if we had the goal, I mean gaining independence from the British? The answer is simply, your goal was not only gaining independence, also making dream of ENOSIS come true, which means uniting with Greece.

p.s. off to school, I have exam so I can't answer your next post.
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