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Postby YFred » Sun Jan 25, 2009 7:28 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Cem wrote:
Paphitis wrote:

The Treaty of Guarantee between the Republic of Cyprus and Turkey is null and void as Turkey has violated every aspect of the Treaty by not preserving and defending the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Cyprus as it was obligated to do.

Furthermore, a community that represents only 18.4% of the total population is a minority and cannot be anything more unless you manipulate the basic fundamentals of democracy and implement an Apartheid system which gives the minority community equal status.


You said earlier in another post:

Paphitis wrote: Why don't you dissolve the "trnc" and join the RoC as per the 1960 agreements? The Zurich constitution has not been dissolved and you also have 15 parliamentary seats waiting for you, including the office of Vice President.


Ironically, almost all your posts are based on American Hellenic Association sources. So, how credible is all that ?

However, personally, I am not against your offer above provided that Turkey's guarantorship is preserved.

Otherwise can guess what will follow.... now that our Choirikitian buddy has amply displayed RoC's arsenal stock:

From 1......
Image.................to 15 SEATS !!!!, TC BOYS aren't you excited ???[/b]..............................................................................................

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Ironically, almost all your posts are based on[b] American Hellenic Association sources. So, how credible is all that ?


Most of my sources are not from the American Hellenic Institute.

These were the THREE sources I presented above:

http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_454.shtml

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/date ... 037898.stm

And finally, the source you refer to:

http://www.ahmp.org/MedByp2.html

The article was written by Matthew J. Stowell who is an Associate with the American Hellenic Media Project (AHMP), a non-profit think-tank created to address bias in the media and encourage independent, ethical and responsible journalism.

However, personally, I am not against your offer above provided that Turkey's guarantorship is preserved.


I'm afraid that this cannot be possible because Turkey has breached the provisions of the Guarantor Treaty as it did not preserve the Sovereignty and Territorial integrity of the Republic of Cyprus. Basically, GCs cannot accept such a Guarantor as we have very sincere security concerns about Turkish Brutality which as we all know is very barbaric and contravenes all Treaties and Conventions such as The Geneva Convention on POWs being just one example.

Otherwise can guess what will follow.... now that our Choirikitian buddy has amply displayed RoC's arsenal stock:


The Choirokitian is absolutely correct and has every right to show case the RoC's arsenal as history has a habit of repeating itself. The solution you seek will inevitably result in the future resurrection of another DIGHENIS GRIVAS MK11 which will have you back into your Kokkina Enclaves in no time.

If you want your 15 seats, then all you have to do is dissolve the "trnc" and claim your Zurich rights, minus Treaty Of Guarantees which have been breached and hence are null and void.

BTW, I do not support the Zurich Agreement because it is precisely this type of agreement which has led to all our troubles. I just used that argument against those TCs who falsely accuse the RoC of denying them their Zurich Agreement rights.

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Can some of our legal minds explain, what gave the GCs to invite 10000 soldiers from Greece. Was that legal?

May I suggest a reason why they were brought in. After 1967, I suspect Makarios began to change his ideas about enosis and started leaning towards Moscow. Buying Russian tanks, 2 of which we captured in 1974 in Lurucina.

There was only one solution left. Bring in 10 or 20 thousand soldiers, it really does not make any difference. Their job was to first kill Makarios ( They tried 4 times - including shooting down his helicopter but he survived.) put their pupet regime in power ( Mainly Samson) and then solve the Turkish Cypriot problem which was in the way of enosis.

Consequences of what may have followed, is too horrifying to contemplate.
My Greek Cypriot friends please wake up before its too late.


There really is no point discussing anything with you because you just don't know what you are talking about.

The 10,000 Greek troops were deployed in 1963 and withdrawn in 1964 when UNFICYP was stationed in Cyprus. The assassination attempts against Makarios occurred in 1974 by Greek Military Units in Cyprus under the Treaty of Guarantees and also by Greek led (coupist) CNG units.

O you've stopped with your desecration of the flag, and returned to speech have we. You waste of space.
Did someone count how many came in and how mane went out.
You are a bigger idiot than I though.
This will be the last post comment from me to your posts until I see a sincere apology for your stupid indiscretion old boy. Back into your Kangaroo pouch.
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Postby Paphitis » Mon Jan 26, 2009 5:51 am

Then no need to present that call under any pretext whatsoever as it has now lost credibility with this last confession of yours. On the other hand, such a sophisticated weaponry-however a non-expert I might be- only corroborates the fact that, in the interests of all TCs , Turkish army should stay, even after a solution to CyProb. Since, its presence is not likely to be accepted by GC side, a just partition stands as the only viable solution.


It was no confession. The islands problems all stem from settlements which give one community unfair advantage over the other - a clear manipulation of true democracy.

The Turkish Army can stay there for the time being, but it will not be permanent. It will withdraw either peacefully or it will be removed forcibly, and not necessarily by Cypriots alone. You are just another temporary invader who we will see off just like all others in the past. For now enjoy your moment in the sun because it will not last forever.

Also, I would appreciate if your reply to someone else is not included in your reply to me, as it may confuse readers of CF as if the quoted section were my post.


It doesn't take much to confuse you... :lol:
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Postby Paphitis » Mon Jan 26, 2009 5:54 am

O you've stopped with your desecration of the flag, and returned to speech have we. You waste of space.


My dog craps on your flag.... :lol:

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Did someone count how many came in and how mane went out.


Yes they did. The Greek Armed Forces withdrew under the supervision of the UN. The ELDYK division comprising 950 men as per the terms of the Treaty of Guarantee were left behind. And due to the 74 coup, Greece too has nullified the terms of this treaty, but at least Greece has never disrespected the nations sovereignty and territorial integrity like Turkey has.

This will be the last post comment from me to your posts until I see a sincere apology for your stupid indiscretion old boy.


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Postby RAFAELLA » Mon Jan 26, 2009 11:07 am

Dear doesntmatter, I understand that it’s a bit difficult for you to comprehend what you are reading. Check for answers to your comments in the same colour,GREEN, and you will realize why I mentioned the 50’s.
A friendly advice: read carefully before you reply at any question or better for you, translate everything in your native language before answering.

Plus, definition of INVASION:
1. an entering or being entered by an attacking military force
http://www.yourdictionary.com/invasion
2. an act of invading; especially : entrance of an army into a country for conquest
http://www.wordcentral.com/cgi-bin/stud ... a=invasion
3. the act of invading, especially the entrance of an armed force into a territory to conquer.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/invasion

doesntmatter wrote:
RAFAELLA wrote:There is no point arguing anymore since I have made my point that Turks have no point. :)


The truth is, you don't want to argue is because you know you talk a load of crap. :roll:

I have asked a simple question:
HOW, WHY and FOR WHAT OCCASION DID GR TROOPS "INVADED" CYPRUS IN [color=red]1963/64?[/color]
...and I was waiting for a simple answer to the claim of Doesntmatter that the Greek army invaded Cyprus in 1963/64.

"Enosis" excuse became like very old worn out jeans.
Whatever questioned addressed to Turks or Tcs they would only answer "Enosis". Therefore, the claim that Greek troops invaded in 1963/64 doesn't have any ground.

doesntmatter wrote:1) I love women but not lying racist bitches.:wink:

2) Even you Greeks don't lie that you wanted enosis in the 50's and the 60's, except Rafaella. :roll:
Now tell the world what "mire" I can't get out of.

1) Was it the FACT that you Greeks and GCs wanted enosis and the Greek soldiers were there to help you get it?
or.
2) Was it the FACT that you Greeks and GCs wanted enosis and the Greek soldiers were there to help you get it?

Dear Doesnmatter, instead of calling names and insulting us you better watch what you are saying, writing etc …wouldn’t it be better for you to be more careful of what you allow turkish propaganda to feed you?

I never ever said that Cypriots didn't want Enosis.
My grandparents fought for Greece, a close relative of mine fought and died for the Gr flag. Later their children fought for Enosis back in the 50's.
Under those circumstances their option was to fight for Enosis. But claiming all the time that we even want Enosis today is just your own cheap turkish propaganda to excuse the continuing turkish illegalities and crimes in Cyprus
.


doesntmatter wrote:If you want to help your Greek comrade, make sure she does not start threads that are embarrassing for you Greeks leaving you no choice but to make fools of yourselves by trying to help her lie.

I don't believe that my thread is embarrassing to Grs or Gcs.
Is it embarrassing to you maybe? Embarrassing maybe because it leaves you no choice but to make fool of yourself by trying to lie and promote the stinky turkish propaganda.

You wrote many comments in this thread but not a single concrete and accurate answer.
Thank you for taking the time to read my comment. :)


:lol: You started this thread and asked a question about the Greek soldiers in 1963/64 now all of a sudden you change it to 50's and "today" but never lose a word about your enosis wish in the 60's. You really must feel a right idiot for starting this thread in the first place, next time ask your boss before you make a fool of yourself again. :lol:
I didn't change anything buffoon. I simply answered YOUR own comment regarding the 50's and Enosis. Furthermore, almost every Turk in this forum claims that even today we want Enosis with Greece!.


No dear, thank you very much for proving that you are a brainwashed tool of the stinking Greek propaganda machine.

Bye bye for now dear and don't forget, when again you feel brave enough don't hesitate to ask another silly question. :wink::lol:
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Postby doesntmatter » Mon Jan 26, 2009 2:12 pm

RAFAELLA wrote:Dear doesntmatter, I understand that it’s a bit difficult for you to comprehend what you are reading. Check for answers to your comments in the same colour,GREEN, and you will realize why I mentioned the 50’s.
A friendly advice: read carefully before you reply at any question or better for you, translate everything in your native language before answering.

Plus, definition of INVASION:
1. an entering or being entered by an attacking military force
http://www.yourdictionary.com/invasion
2. an act of invading; especially : entrance of an army into a country for conquest
http://www.wordcentral.com/cgi-bin/stud ... a=invasion
3. the act of invading, especially the entrance of an armed force into a territory to conquer.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/invasion

doesntmatter wrote:
RAFAELLA wrote:There is no point arguing anymore since I have made my point that Turks have no point. :)


The truth is, you don't want to argue is because you know you talk a load of crap. :roll:

I have asked a simple question:
HOW, WHY and FOR WHAT OCCASION DID GR TROOPS "INVADED" CYPRUS IN [color=red]1963/64?[/color]
...and I was waiting for a simple answer to the claim of Doesntmatter that the Greek army invaded Cyprus in 1963/64.

"Enosis" excuse became like very old worn out jeans.
Whatever questioned addressed to Turks or Tcs they would only answer "Enosis". Therefore, the claim that Greek troops invaded in 1963/64 doesn't have any ground.

doesntmatter wrote:1) I love women but not lying racist bitches.:wink:

2) Even you Greeks don't lie that you wanted enosis in the 50's and the 60's, except Rafaella. :roll:
Now tell the world what "mire" I can't get out of.

1) Was it the FACT that you Greeks and GCs wanted enosis and the Greek soldiers were there to help you get it?
or.
2) Was it the FACT that you Greeks and GCs wanted enosis and the Greek soldiers were there to help you get it?

Dear Doesnmatter, instead of calling names and insulting us you better watch what you are saying, writing etc …wouldn’t it be better for you to be more careful of what you allow turkish propaganda to feed you?

I never ever said that Cypriots didn't want Enosis.
My grandparents fought for Greece, a close relative of mine fought and died for the Gr flag. Later their children fought for Enosis back in the 50's.
Under those circumstances their option was to fight for Enosis. But claiming all the time that we even want Enosis today is just your own cheap turkish propaganda to excuse the continuing turkish illegalities and crimes in Cyprus
.


doesntmatter wrote:If you want to help your Greek comrade, make sure she does not start threads that are embarrassing for you Greeks leaving you no choice but to make fools of yourselves by trying to help her lie.

I don't believe that my thread is embarrassing to Grs or Gcs.
Is it embarrassing to you maybe? Embarrassing maybe because it leaves you no choice but to make fool of yourself by trying to lie and promote the stinky turkish propaganda.

You wrote many comments in this thread but not a single concrete and accurate answer.
Thank you for taking the time to read my comment. :)


:lol: You started this thread and asked a question about the Greek soldiers in 1963/64 now all of a sudden you change it to 50's and "today" but never lose a word about your enosis wish in the 60's. You really must feel a right idiot for starting this thread in the first place, next time ask your boss before you make a fool of yourself again. :lol:
I didn't change anything buffoon. I simply answered YOUR own comment regarding the 50's and Enosis. Furthermore, almost every Turk in this forum claims that even today we want Enosis with Greece!.


No dear, thank you very much for proving that you are a brainwashed tool of the stinking Greek propaganda machine.

Bye bye for now dear and don't forget, when again you feel brave enough don't hesitate to ask another silly question. :wink::lol:


There isn't enough material in the whole planet to get the amount of slime you body is covered in dear but you still can't wiggle yourself out of the crap pit you got yourself in to.

This thread and yhour questions are for 1963/64 period and the role of the Greek Army and their help in helping the GCs get enosis.

Stay on topic or get the hell out and promise not to start another` thread unless you know what the hell you are talking about.

All in all, it wasn't a waste of time though, at least we now all know what a brainwashed slimy moron you are. :lol:

Thanks for the entertainment dear. :lol:
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The problem started in 1960

Postby lyso » Mon Jan 26, 2009 3:34 pm

The problem started in 1960

The actual wording

Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot
THE RIGHT TO SELF DETERMINATION
ie. Create your own governments in one Country

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Postby Get Real! » Mon Jan 26, 2009 3:51 pm

doesntmatter wrote:There isn't enough material in the whole planet to get the amount of slime you body is covered in dear but you still can't wiggle yourself out of the crap pit you got yourself in to.

This thread and yhour questions are for 1963/64 period and the role of the Greek Army and their help in helping the GCs get enosis.

Stay on topic or get the hell out and promise not to start another` thread unless you know what the hell you are talking about.

All in all, it wasn't a waste of time though, at least we now all know what a brainwashed slimy moron you are. :lol:

Thanks for the entertainment dear. :lol:

You're dumb, not funny, and a bloody bore so just get off of the CyProb section.
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Postby RAFAELLA » Mon Jan 26, 2009 3:56 pm

doesntmatter wrote:There isn't enough material in the whole planet to get the amount of slime you body is covered in dear but you still can't wiggle yourself out of the crap pit you got yourself in to.

This thread and yhour questions are for 1963/64 period and the role of the Greek Army and their help in helping the GCs get enosis.

Stay on topic or get the hell out and promise not to start another` thread unless you know what the hell you are talking about.

All in all, it wasn't a waste of time though, at least we now all know what a brainwashed slimy moron you are. :lol:

Thanks for the entertainment dear. :lol:


My advice is still on the talbe: read carefully before you reply at any question or better for you, translate everything in your native language before answering.
:)

P.S. :lol: ....even your signature says: OXI to ENOSIS
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Postby Get Real! » Mon Jan 26, 2009 3:59 pm

RAFAELLA wrote:
doesntmatter wrote:There isn't enough material in the whole planet to get the amount of slime you body is covered in dear but you still can't wiggle yourself out of the crap pit you got yourself in to.

This thread and yhour questions are for 1963/64 period and the role of the Greek Army and their help in helping the GCs get enosis.

Stay on topic or get the hell out and promise not to start another` thread unless you know what the hell you are talking about.

All in all, it wasn't a waste of time though, at least we now all know what a brainwashed slimy moron you are. :lol:

Thanks for the entertainment dear. :lol:


My advice is still on the talbe: read carefully before you reply at any question or better for you, translate everything in your native language before answering.
:)
P.S. :lol: ....even your signature says: OXI to ENOSIS

I can't believe an otherwise intelligent woman like yourself started a thread for a disgraced nincompoop like Ricco… Learn to spend your energy where it matters!
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Postby doesntmatter » Mon Jan 26, 2009 4:03 pm

RAFAELLA wrote:
doesntmatter wrote:There isn't enough material in the whole planet to get the amount of slime you body is covered in dear but you still can't wiggle yourself out of the crap pit you got yourself in to.

This thread and yhour questions are for 1963/64 period and the role of the Greek Army and their help in helping the GCs get enosis.

Stay on topic or get the hell out and promise not to start another` thread unless you know what the hell you are talking about.

All in all, it wasn't a waste of time though, at least we now all know what a brainwashed slimy moron you are. :lol:

Thanks for the entertainment dear. :lol:


My advice is still on the talbe: read carefully before you reply at any question or better for you, translate everything in your native language before answering.
:)

P.S. :lol: ....even your signature says: OXI to ENOSIS


Your question was about the Greek army in 1963/64 dummy, you should've translate that in to your own native language to understand it before you posted it you silly woman. :roll:
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