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[doesntmatter]

There is no point arguing anymore since I have made my point that Turks have no point.

The truth is, you don't want to argue is because you know you talk a load of crap.

I have asked a simple question:
HOW, WHY and FOR WHAT OCCASION DID GR TROOPS "INVADED" CYPRUS IN [color=red]1963/64?[/color]
...and I was waiting for a simple answer to the claim of Doesntmatter that the Greek army invaded Cyprus in 1963/64.

"Enosis" excuse became like very old worn out jeans.
Whatever questioned addressed to Turks or Tcs they would only answer "Enosis". Therefore, the claim that Greek troops invaded in 1963/64 doesn't have any ground.

1) I love women but not lying racist bitches.

2) Even you Greeks don't lie that you wanted enosis in the 50's and the 60's, except Rafaella.

Now tell the world what "mire" I can't get out of.

1) Was it the FACT that you Greeks and GCs wanted enosis and the Greek soldiers were there to help you get it?
or.
2) Was it the FACT that you Greeks and GCs wanted enosis and the Greek soldiers were there to help you get it?

Dear Doesnmatter, instead of calling names and insulting us you better watch what you are saying, writing etc …wouldn’t it be better for you to be more careful of what you allow turkish propaganda to feed you?

I never ever said that Cypriots didn't want Enosis.
My grandparents fought for Greece, a close relative of mine fought and died for the Gr flag. Later their children fought for Enosis back in the 50's.
Under those circumstances their option was to fight for Enosis. But claiming all the time that we even want Enosis today is just your own cheap turkish propaganda to excuse the continuing turkish illegalities and crimes in Cyprus.

If you want to help your Greek comrade, make sure she does not start threads that are embarrassing for you Greeks leaving you no choice but to make fools of yourselves by trying to help her lie.

I don't believe that my thread is embarrassing to Grs or Gcs.
Is it embarrassing to you maybe? Embarrassing maybe because it leaves you no choice but to make fool of yourself by trying to lie and promote the stinky turkish propaganda.

You wrote many comments in this thread but not a single concrete and accurate answer.
Thank you for taking the time to read my comment.

You started this thread and asked a question about the Greek soldiers in 1963/64 now all of a sudden you change it to 50's and "today" but never lose a word about your enosis wish in the 60's. You really must feel a right idiot for starting this thread in the first place, next time ask your boss before you make a fool of yourself again.

No dear, thank you very much for proving that you are a brainwashed tool of the stinking Greek propaganda machine.

Bye bye for now dear and don't forget, when again you feel brave enough don't hesitate to ask another silly question. :lol:

[doesntmatter]

These are the reasons why there were Greek troops in Cyprus:

The First Cyprus Crisis

In the night from 20 to 21 December 1963, a car carrying weapons for Turkish Cypriots in the Omorfita, a district of Nicosia – where armed resistance was organized – was halted on a police roadblock. After a few minutes a large crowd, mainly consisting of Turkish Cypriots, assembled nearby and the situation heated up, resulting in exchange of fire in which one policeman and two Turks were killed. This mini-uprising of Turkish Cypriots ended by Christmas of the same year, but there more skirmishes followed, as since that time Turkey began systematically organising and arming students and men younger than 30 into small units, equipped with personal weapons, bazookas and mortars. Several loads of food and ammunition were shipped from Turkey to Cyprus during the following winter, mainly by small boats and by night, which were landing in the Kokkina area.

http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_454.shtml

The GCs were merely defending their island as it was evident that Kokkina was a major national threat to Cypriot Sovereignty, due to TMT weapon smuggling:

GR Wrote:

Had you done your homework you would’ve known that the Kokkina enclave was in fact a TMT forces enclave, which had a sea port that regularly received arms and other supplies from Turkish boats that fuelled the TC armed uprisings all over the island, and ultimately making it vital for Turkey’s goal of partition on Cyprus by providing her with a safe beachhead for a military ground invasion.

The fact that the TAF conducted the first aerial bombings on Cyprus as a result of the Kokkina threat by opposing forces is further concrete evidence of the importance of Kokkina for Turkey because had Kokkina fallen the entire Turkish ulterior motive for Cyprus would’ve fallen to pieces.

Therefore, the RoC government was correct in its evaluation that the Kokkina point was a major national threat and had to go! After all, the major population of Cyprus was an 82% overwhelming majority of Greek Cypriots that the Kokkina point was directly threatening.

So in order to defend the Kokkina beachhead, the TAF bombs Cyprus using these aircraft:



THK F-100 Super Sabres were very active over Cyprus in 1964. This artwork, reconstructed from several photographs showing different Turkish "Huns" in the 1960s, depicts one of F-100D in service with the THK at the time. The THK received also a sizeable batch of F-100Cs, but only from 1970 onwards. (Artwork by Tom Cooper)

http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_454.shtml

They had dropped over 750lbs (340kg) of bombs and napalm:

Turkish jets had dropped 750lbs (340 kg) of bombs and napalm on their strongholds in north-west Cyprus.

"The whole area is on fire," said a spokesman for the Cypriot government.

"We cannot estimate casualties but there must be hundreds. Whole villages have been wiped out."

They also accused the Turkish government of landing troops on the north-west coast of the island.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/date ... 037898.stm

Those Greek troops which numbered 10,000, where bought in to resist the planned Turkish invasion which would have annexed and partitioned part of the island.

What is important is to understand that in 1964, Cypriots had the perfect opportunity to declare ENOSIS. With so many Greek troops on the ground, there would have been no chance for Turkey to launch a successful invasion. But ENOSIS was NEVER declared, which means that the ideal of ENOSIS was abandoned shortly after independence.

The Greek Troops were not bought to Cyprus to declare ENOSIS. Their purpose was to offer security and protection to the GCs from TMT attack and TAF napalm bombings.

All along, the TMT ideal of TAKSIM continued.

"Thus the aim of partition, camouflaged by Turkish propaganda as `federation,' was relentlessly pursued regardless of loss of human life and the human misery created.

Two progressive-thinking, London-educated Turkish barristers who spoke against partition were killed outright by these same Turkish gangs.

Turkish Cypriots who favoured compromise or a close relationship between the two ethnic communities were targets of TMT violence.

On December 23, 1963, Turkish gangs also moved through the Armenian quarter of Nicosia and forced the inhabitants at gunpoint to leave their houses, shops, church, school and clubs to make room for more Turks.

In addition to the hostile environment that was created by combatants on both sides, there was a second factor that led to the polarization of both communities: with a view toward partition, the Turks withdrew from predominantly Greek areas and evicted Greeks from areas where Turks were in the majority. In a single week over 600 families, two-thirds of them Greek, left their homes, and many Turks who left Greek areas did so under intense pressure from Turkish separatists.

Turkish Cypriots who favoured compromise or a close relationship between the two ethnic communities were targets of TMT violence. Turks caught smoking Greek cigarettes or visiting Greek shops were beaten, and Turkish gangs forced some Turkish Cypriots to resign from Greek Cypriot trade unions. In Limassol, a Turkish Cypriot owner of a restaurant popular with Greeks was threatened and later murdered by the TMT. Two progressive-thinking, London-educated Turkish barristers who spoke against partition were killed outright by these same Turkish gangs.

Turkish extremists forced several thousand Turkish peasants to abandon their farms and animals and move into an overcrowded Turkish enclave in Nicosia. "Thus the aim of partition, camouflaged by Turkish propaganda as `federation,' was relentlessly pursued regardless of loss of human life and the human misery created. However, this so-called `first phase' of the invasion of Cyprus by Turkey only partly succeeded, since well over half of its brethren refused to obey instructions to abandon their homes for the predetermined enclaves" (The Making of Modern Cyprus, Panteli). On December 23, 1963, Turkish gangs also moved through the Armenian quarter of Nicosia and forced the inhabitants at gunpoint to leave their houses, shops, church, school and clubs to make room for more Turks.

http://www.ahmp.org/MedByp2.html

Furthermore, the Greek troops were immediately withdrawn when the UN stationed a peacekeeping force (UNFICYP) to protect GCs from TMT seperatists.[/quote]

You just called Makarios, Grivas, Samson and all the other GCs and Greeks who wanted enosis up until 1974 all liars.

Everyone lies, except papitits of course.

[Paphitis]

The Greek Troops were not bought to Cyprus to declare ENOSIS. Their purpose was to offer security and protection to the GCs from TMT attack and TAF napalm bombings.

As if Greece was the only guarantor power according to 60s treaties On which date Makarios abrogated the treaty of guarantee. 1964? Why?

Paphitis, be honest like Piratis and admit that u and ur alikes always considered TCs a minority not ur politically equal community partners. Enosis, Taksim, self-determination right, sovereignity, i satrted, u started, u killed, i killed, protection of GCs, protection of TCs, Junta did, Turks did, Greeks did, Brits did, Kissinger did, anan yapdi, buban yapdi, cart, curt everything revolves around political equality of 2 communities. The rest is the inevitable consequence of the struggle revolves around the political equality of 2 communities.

The Treaty of Guarantee between the Republic of Cyprus and Turkey is null and void as Turkey has violated every aspect of the Treaty by not preserving and defending the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Cyprus as it was obligated to do.

Furthermore, a community that represents only 18.4% of the total population is a minority and cannot be anything more unless you manipulate the basic fundamentals of democracy and implement an Apartheid system which gives the minority community equal status.

[doesntmatter]

The Greek Troops were not bought to Cyprus to declare ENOSIS. Their purpose was to offer security and protection to the GCs from TMT attack and TAF napalm bombings.

As if Greece was the only guarantor power according to 60s treaties On which date Makarios abrogated the treaty of guarantee. 1964? Why?

Paphitis, be honest like Piratis and admit that u and ur alikes always considered TCs a minority not ur politically equal community partners. Enosis, Taksim, self-determination right, sovereignity, i satrted, u started, u killed, i killed, protection of GCs, protection of TCs, Junta did, Turks did, Greeks did, Brits did, Kissinger did, anan yapdi, buban yapdi, cart, curt everything revolves around political equality of 2 communities. The rest is the inevitable consequence of the struggle revolves around the political equality of 2 communities.

The Treaty of Guarantee between the Republic of Cyprus and Turkey is null and void as Turkey has violated every aspect of the Treaty by not preserving and defending the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Cyprus as it was obligated to do.

Furthermore, a community that represents only 18.4% of the total population is a minority and cannot be anything more unless you manipulate the basic fundamentals of democracy and implement an Apartheid system which gives the minority community equal status.

When you Greeks stop lying and honer your signatures then and only then you have the right to talk about "democracy", till then stay on your side of the border.

[Cem]

The Treaty of Guarantee between the Republic of Cyprus and Turkey is null and void as Turkey has violated every aspect of the Treaty by not preserving and defending the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Cyprus as it was obligated to do.

Furthermore, a community that represents only 18.4% of the total population is a minority and cannot be anything more unless you manipulate the basic fundamentals of democracy and implement an Apartheid system which gives the minority community equal status.

You said earlier in another post:

Why don't you dissolve the "trnc" and join the RoC as per the 1960 agreements? The Zurich constitution has not been dissolved and you also have 15 parliamentary seats waiting for you, including the office of Vice President.

Ironically, almost all your posts are based on American Hellenic Association sources. So, how credible is all that ?

However, personally, I am not against your offer above provided that Turkey's guarantorship is preserved.

Otherwise can guess what will follow.... now that our Choirikitian buddy has amply displayed RoC's arsenal stock:

From 1......
....[b].............to 15 SEATS !!!!, TC BOYS aren't you excited ???[/b]..............................................................................................

[YFred]

Can some of our legal minds explain, what gave the GCs to invite 10000 soldiers from Greece. Was that legal?


May I suggest a reason why they were brought in. After 1967, I suspect Makarios began to change his ideas about enosis and started leaning towards Moscow. Buying Russian tanks, 2 of which we captured in 1974 in Lurucina.

There was only one solution left. Bring in 10 or 20 thousand soldiers, it really does not make any difference. Their job was to first kill Makarios ( They tried 4 times - including shooting down his helicopter but he survived.) put their pupet regime in power ( Mainly Samson) and then solve the Turkish Cypriot problem which was in the way of enosis.

Consequences of what may have followed, is too horrifying to contemplate.
My Greek Cypriot friends please wake up before its too late.

[Get Real!]

May I suggest a reason why they were brought in.

No, you may certainly NOT because nobody is interested in your fantasies.

Here’s what you CAN & SHOULD do though if you want to be taken seriously in this section of the forum… RESEARCH and get back to us with your report.

[Paphitis]

The Treaty of Guarantee between the Republic of Cyprus and Turkey is null and void as Turkey has violated every aspect of the Treaty by not preserving and defending the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Cyprus as it was obligated to do.

Furthermore, a community that represents only 18.4% of the total population is a minority and cannot be anything more unless you manipulate the basic fundamentals of democracy and implement an Apartheid system which gives the minority community equal status.

You said earlier in another post:

Why don't you dissolve the "trnc" and join the RoC as per the 1960 agreements? The Zurich constitution has not been dissolved and you also have 15 parliamentary seats waiting for you, including the office of Vice President.

Ironically, almost all your posts are based on American Hellenic Association sources. So, how credible is all that ?

However, personally, I am not against your offer above provided that Turkey's guarantorship is preserved.

Otherwise can guess what will follow.... now that our Choirikitian buddy has amply displayed RoC's arsenal stock:

From 1......
.................to 15 SEATS !!!!, TC BOYS aren't you excited ???[/b]..............................................................................................

Ironically, almost all your posts are based on[b] American Hellenic Association sources. So, how credible is all that ?

Most of my sources are not from the American Hellenic Institute.

These were the THREE sources I presented above:

http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_454.shtml

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/date ... 037898.stm

And finally, the source you refer to:

http://www.ahmp.org/MedByp2.html

The article was written by Matthew J. Stowell who is an Associate with the American Hellenic Media Project (AHMP), a non-profit think-tank created to address bias in the media and encourage independent, ethical and responsible journalism.

However, personally, I am not against your offer above provided that Turkey's guarantorship is preserved.

I'm afraid that this cannot be possible because Turkey has breached the provisions of the Guarantor Treaty as it did not preserve the Sovereignty and Territorial integrity of the Republic of Cyprus. Basically, GCs cannot accept such a Guarantor as we have very sincere security concerns about Turkish Brutality which as we all know is very barbaric and contravenes all Treaties and Conventions such as The Geneva Convention on POWs being just one example.

Otherwise can guess what will follow.... now that our Choirikitian buddy has amply displayed RoC's arsenal stock:

The Choirokitian is absolutely correct and has every right to show case the RoC's arsenal as history has a habit of repeating itself. The solution you seek will inevitably result in the future resurrection of another DIGHENIS GRIVAS MK11 which will have you back into your Kokkina Enclaves in no time.

If you want your 15 seats, then all you have to do is dissolve the "trnc" and claim your Zurich rights, minus Treaty Of Guarantees which have been breached and hence are null and void.

BTW, I do not support the Zurich Agreement because it is precisely this type of agreement which has led to all our troubles. I just used that argument against those TCs who falsely accuse the RoC of denying them their Zurich Agreement rights.

Y-Front Wrote:

Can some of our legal minds explain, what gave the GCs to invite 10000 soldiers from Greece. Was that legal?

May I suggest a reason why they were brought in. After 1967, I suspect Makarios began to change his ideas about enosis and started leaning towards Moscow. Buying Russian tanks, 2 of which we captured in 1974 in Lurucina.

There was only one solution left. Bring in 10 or 20 thousand soldiers, it really does not make any difference. Their job was to first kill Makarios ( They tried 4 times - including shooting down his helicopter but he survived.) put their pupet regime in power ( Mainly Samson) and then solve the Turkish Cypriot problem which was in the way of enosis.

Consequences of what may have followed, is too horrifying to contemplate.
My Greek Cypriot friends please wake up before its too late.

There really is no point discussing anything with you because you just don't know what you are talking about.

The 10,000 Greek troops were deployed in 1963 and withdrawn in 1964 when UNFICYP was stationed in Cyprus. The assassination attempts against Makarios occurred in 1974 by Greek Military Units in Cyprus under the Treaty of Guarantees and also by Greek led (coupist) CNG units.

[Cem]

If you want your 15 seats, then all you have to do is dissolve the "trnc" and claim your Zurich rights, minus Treaty Of Guarantees which have been breached and hence are null and void.

BTW, I do not support the Zurich Agreement because it is precisely this type of agreement which has led to all our troubles. I just used that argument against those TCs who falsely accuse the RoC of denying them their Zurich Agreement rights.

Then no need to present that call under any pretext whatsoever as it has now lost credibility with this last confession of yours. On the other hand, such a sophisticated weaponry-however a non-expert I might be- only corroborates the fact that, in the interests of all TCs , Turkish army should stay, even after a solution to CyProb. Since, its presence is not likely to be accepted by GC side, a just partition stands as the only viable solution.

Also, I would appreciate if your reply to someone else is not included in your reply to me, as it may confuse readers of CF as if the quoted section were my post.

[YFred]

May I suggest a reason why they were brought in.

No, you may certainly NOT because nobody is interested in your fantasies.

Here’s what you CAN & SHOULD do though if you want to be taken seriously in this section of the forum… RESEARCH and get back to us with your report.

When will you realise that troubles are not recorded like in a court of law. Hence there is no report to find. There is something called Life University which is where I qualified from. Actions speak louder than pieces of paper..
How many attempts were made on Makarios's life? Was it not four? Was he not shot down in his helicopter and survived?
Who was responsible?
When was there ever a Greek Cypriot Chief in charge of the Greek Cypriot Army, which did not take its order from Greece, or was not member of the Greek Army?
Who lives in fantasy island?
Wake up sunshine.