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Postby doesntmatter » Sat Jan 24, 2009 10:41 am

Oracle wrote:Doesntmatter, you are getting hot under the collar, and your misogynistic language is indicative of the pressure you feel building up inside at your inability to get out of the mire you have piled up around you.

I suggest you apologise for lying unreservedly, and retreat gracefully ....



1) I love women but not lying racist bitches.:wink:

2) Even you Greeks don't lie that you wanted enosis in the 50's and the 60's, except Rafaella. :roll:

Now tell the world what "mire" I can't get out of.

1) Was it the FACT that you Greeks and GCs wanted enosis and the Greek soldiers were there to help you get it?

or.

2) Was it the FACT that you Greeks and GCs wanted enosis and the Greek soldiers were there to help you get it?

If you want to help your Greek comrade, make sure she does not start threads that are embarrassing for you Greeks leaving you no choice but to make fools of yourselves by trying to help her lie.

Take my advice, if you don't like the heat get out of the kitchen, playing the female victim doesn't do you any good.
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Postby RAFAELLA » Sat Jan 24, 2009 12:30 pm

There is no point arguing anymore since I have made my point that Turks have no point. :)

I have asked a simple question:
HOW, WHY and FOR WHAT OCCASION DID GR TROOPS "INVADED" CYPRUS IN 1963/64?
...and I was waiting for a simple answer to the claim of Doesntmatter that the Greek army invaded Cyprus in 1963/64.

"Enosis" excuse became like very old worn out jeans.
Whatever questioned addressed to Turks or Tcs they would only answer "Enosis". Therefore, the claim that Greek troops invaded in 1963/64 doesn't have any ground.

doesntmatter wrote:1) I love women but not lying racist bitches.:wink:

2) Even you Greeks don't lie that you wanted enosis in the 50's and the 60's, except Rafaella. :roll:

Now tell the world what "mire" I can't get out of.

1) Was it the FACT that you Greeks and GCs wanted enosis and the Greek soldiers were there to help you get it?
or.
2) Was it the FACT that you Greeks and GCs wanted enosis and the Greek soldiers were there to help you get it?

Dear Doesnmatter, instead of calling names and insulting us you better watch what you are saying, writing etc …wouldn’t it be better for you to be more careful of what you allow turkish propaganda to feed you?

I never ever said that Cypriots didn't want Enosis.
My grandparents fought for Greece, a close relative of mine fought and died for the Gr flag. Later their children fought for Enosis back in the 50's.
Under those circumstances their option was to fight for Enosis. But claiming all the time that we even want Enosis today is just your own cheap turkish propaganda to excuse the continuing turkish illegalities and crimes in Cyprus.

doesntmatter wrote:If you want to help your Greek comrade, make sure she does not start threads that are embarrassing for you Greeks leaving you no choice but to make fools of yourselves by trying to help her lie.

I don't believe that my thread is embarrassing to Grs or Gcs.
Is it embarrassing to you maybe? Embarrassing maybe because it leaves you no choice but to make fool of yourself by trying to lie and promote the stinky turkish propaganda.

You wrote many comments in this thread but not a single concrete and accurate answer.
Thank you for taking the time to read my comment. :)
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Postby zan » Sat Jan 24, 2009 12:39 pm

RAFAELLA wrote:There is no point arguing anymore since I have made my point that Turks have no point. :)

I have asked a simple question:
HOW, WHY and FOR WHAT OCCASION DID GR TROOPS "INVADED" CYPRUS IN 1963/64?
...and I was waiting for a simple answer to the claim of Doesntmatter that the Greek army invaded Cyprus in 1963/64.

"Enosis" excuse became like very old worn out jeans.
Whatever questioned addressed to Turks or Tcs they would only answer "Enosis". Therefore, the claim that Greek troops invaded in 1963/64 doesn't have any ground.

doesntmatter wrote:1) I love women but not lying racist bitches.:wink:

2) Even you Greeks don't lie that you wanted enosis in the 50's and the 60's, except Rafaella. :roll:

Now tell the world what "mire" I can't get out of.

1) Was it the FACT that you Greeks and GCs wanted enosis and the Greek soldiers were there to help you get it?
or.
2) Was it the FACT that you Greeks and GCs wanted enosis and the Greek soldiers were there to help you get it?

Dear Doesnmatter, instead of calling names and insulting us you better watch what you are saying, writing etc …wouldn’t it be better for you to be more careful of what you allow turkish propaganda to feed you?

I never ever said that Cypriots didn't want Enosis.
My grandparents fought for Greece, a close relative of mine fought and died for the Gr flag. Later their children fought for Enosis back in the 50's.
Under those circumstances their option was to fight for Enosis. But claiming all the time that we even want Enosis today is just your own cheap turkish propaganda to excuse the continuing turkish illegalities and crimes in Cyprus.

doesntmatter wrote:If you want to help your Greek comrade, make sure she does not start threads that are embarrassing for you Greeks leaving you no choice but to make fools of yourselves by trying to help her lie.

I don't believe that my thread is embarrassing to Grs or Gcs.
Is it embarrassing to you maybe? Embarrassing maybe because it leaves you no choice but to make fool of yourself by trying to lie and promote the stinky turkish propaganda.

You wrote many comments in this thread but not a single concrete and accurate answer.
Thank you for taking the time to read my comment. :)


How many troops were you allowed on the island and how many were there you silly woman...Made your point...You just made a fool of yourself thats all.... :roll:
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Postby miltiades » Sat Jan 24, 2009 12:49 pm

doesntmatter wrote:
miltiades wrote:
doesntmatter wrote:
RAFAELLA wrote:Zan 1 - No secret that Gr soldiers were killed in 1974. Under agreement (consitution) in 1960, an infantry of about 950 Greek soldiers were stationed in CyR.

Zan 2 - An article from ....ATA ATUN, who would even claim that the sun rises from the west.

Zan 3 - "During December 1967 and early January 1968, about 10,000 Greek troops" whereas ATUN claims 20,000 Greek soldiers in his article.

Do you really believe that if there were 20,000 Gr soldiers in CyR and their reason for being here was to kill Tcs, do you really believe, that even a single Tc would have been alive today?

doesntmatter wrote:Hmmm...looks like we are going to have to wait another week or so for Rafaella to study the the enosis wish of the Greeks and GCs and maybe ask her peers to find a "reasonable excuse" for the Greek army's presence in Cyprus.

In other words, more brainwashing for Rafaella before she is allowed to reply. :wink:


Hold your horses dear :)
I do not need anyones permission to reply and I am not seating all day in front of a screen reading comments with bubbles :lol:

Well, your answer as a proof "ENOSIS.....and that is a FACT, the whole FACT and nothing but the FACT.", excuse my language, but is a Fart!


FART is what you Greeks and GCs did my dear, in the wind and even now you are smelling your own sh*t. (excuse my language)

It was obvious from the beginning that you as a victim of Greek/GC brainwashing was not going to accept anything as "proof", not even the FACT that Greeks and GCs wanted, and attempted to achieve, enosis.

Why you ask stupid questions when you know the answers but will not accept FACTS is at the least very silly.

Now it's your turn to tell us what the Greek army was doing in Cyprus if not to invade it and make it a Greek island.

I am waiting dear. :wink:

Listen foreigner , what exactly is it wrong with 80% of the Cypriot people wanting to chart their own destiny, in your country Turkey there are 15- 20 million Kurds , does your government allow them to have their own state . The trouble in Cyprus is the bloody foreigners like you who poke their nose into our affairs. You have a big country , a third world country but a big country nevertheless what on earth are you a Turk and a foreigner in Cyprus trying to do. The T/Cs , the majority , dont bloody well want you in Cyprus , stifling them with your rugs and turkishness ain't doing them much good , most of them have left for a better life overseas and away from you mountain people .Go back foreigner , this nation belongs to the Cypriots !


Old man, open another bottle of wein and live politics alone, you are just too old and too stupid to know anything, you enosis seeking eoka terrorist plonker. :lol:

I love "WEIN" if I knew what it was . Is it something that Chief Plonkers produce I wonder.
Your highness , may I ask your age , as if I didn't know , about 20 with a brain of a 10 year old no doubt.
As the forum's newly inaugurated FBPlonker may I suggest you continue with your excruciatingly frivolous moronic contributions in keeping up with your esteemed title. :lol:
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Postby miltiades » Sat Jan 24, 2009 12:51 pm

doesntmatter wrote:
Oracle wrote:Doesntmatter, you are getting hot under the collar, and your misogynistic language is indicative of the pressure you feel building up inside at your inability to get out of the mire you have piled up around you.

I suggest you apologise for lying unreservedly, and retreat gracefully ....



1) I love women but not lying racist bitches.:wink:

2) Even you Greeks don't lie that you wanted enosis in the 50's and the 60's, except Rafaella. :roll:

Now tell the world what "mire" I can't get out of.

1) Was it the FACT that you Greeks and GCs wanted enosis and the Greek soldiers were there to help you get it?

or.

2) Was it the FACT that you Greeks and GCs wanted enosis and the Greek soldiers were there to help you get it?

If you want to help your Greek comrade, make sure she does not start threads that are embarrassing for you Greeks leaving you no choice but to make fools of yourselves by trying to help her lie.

Take my advice, if you don't like the heat get out of the kitchen, playing the female victim doesn't do you any good.

Foreigner keep your nose out of Cyprus's affairs will you.
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Postby Paphitis » Sat Jan 24, 2009 12:55 pm

These are the reasons why there were Greek troops in Cyprus:

The First Cyprus Crisis

In the night from 20 to 21 December 1963, a car carrying weapons for Turkish Cypriots in the Omorfita, a district of Nicosia – where armed resistance was organized – was halted on a police roadblock. After a few minutes a large crowd, mainly consisting of Turkish Cypriots, assembled nearby and the situation heated up, resulting in exchange of fire in which one policeman and two Turks were killed. This mini-uprising of Turkish Cypriots ended by Christmas of the same year, but there more skirmishes followed, as since that time Turkey began systematically organising and arming students and men younger than 30 into small units, equipped with personal weapons, bazookas and mortars. Several loads of food and ammunition were shipped from Turkey to Cyprus during the following winter, mainly by small boats and by night, which were landing in the Kokkina area.


http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_454.shtml

The GCs were merely defending their island as it was evident that Kokkina was a major national threat to Cypriot Sovereignty, due to TMT weapon smuggling:

GR Wrote:
Had you done your homework you would’ve known that the Kokkina enclave was in fact a TMT forces enclave, which had a sea port that regularly received arms and other supplies from Turkish boats that fuelled the TC armed uprisings all over the island, and ultimately making it vital for Turkey’s goal of partition on Cyprus by providing her with a safe beachhead for a military ground invasion.

The fact that the TAF conducted the first aerial bombings on Cyprus as a result of the Kokkina threat by opposing forces is further concrete evidence of the importance of Kokkina for Turkey because had Kokkina fallen the entire Turkish ulterior motive for Cyprus would’ve fallen to pieces.

Therefore, the RoC government was correct in its evaluation that the Kokkina point was a major national threat and had to go! After all, the major population of Cyprus was an 82% overwhelming majority of Greek Cypriots that the Kokkina point was directly threatening.


So in order to defend the Kokkina beachhead, the TAF bombs Cyprus using these aircraft:

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THK F-100 Super Sabres were very active over Cyprus in 1964. This artwork, reconstructed from several photographs showing different Turkish "Huns" in the 1960s, depicts one of F-100D in service with the THK at the time. The THK received also a sizeable batch of F-100Cs, but only from 1970 onwards. (Artwork by Tom Cooper)

http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_454.shtml

They had dropped over 750lbs (340kg) of bombs and napalm:

Turkish jets had dropped 750lbs (340 kg) of bombs and napalm on their strongholds in north-west Cyprus.

"The whole area is on fire," said a spokesman for the Cypriot government.

"We cannot estimate casualties but there must be hundreds. Whole villages have been wiped out."

They also accused the Turkish government of landing troops on the north-west coast of the island.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/date ... 037898.stm

Those Greek troops which numbered 10,000, where bought in to resist the planned Turkish invasion which would have annexed and partitioned part of the island.

What is important is to understand that in 1964, Cypriots had the perfect opportunity to declare ENOSIS. With so many Greek troops on the ground, there would have been no chance for Turkey to launch a successful invasion. But ENOSIS was NEVER declared, which means that the ideal of ENOSIS was abandoned shortly after independence.

The Greek Troops were not bought to Cyprus to declare ENOSIS. Their purpose was to offer security and protection to the GCs from TMT attack and TAF napalm bombings.

All along, the TMT ideal of TAKSIM continued.

"Thus the aim of partition, camouflaged by Turkish propaganda as `federation,' was relentlessly pursued regardless of loss of human life and the human misery created.


Two progressive-thinking, London-educated Turkish barristers who spoke against partition were killed outright by these same Turkish gangs.


Turkish Cypriots who favoured compromise or a close relationship between the two ethnic communities were targets of TMT violence.


On December 23, 1963, Turkish gangs also moved through the Armenian quarter of Nicosia and forced the inhabitants at gunpoint to leave their houses, shops, church, school and clubs to make room for more Turks.


In addition to the hostile environment that was created by combatants on both sides, there was a second factor that led to the polarization of both communities: with a view toward partition, the Turks withdrew from predominantly Greek areas and evicted Greeks from areas where Turks were in the majority. In a single week over 600 families, two-thirds of them Greek, left their homes, and many Turks who left Greek areas did so under intense pressure from Turkish separatists.

Turkish Cypriots who favoured compromise or a close relationship between the two ethnic communities were targets of TMT violence. Turks caught smoking Greek cigarettes or visiting Greek shops were beaten, and Turkish gangs forced some Turkish Cypriots to resign from Greek Cypriot trade unions. In Limassol, a Turkish Cypriot owner of a restaurant popular with Greeks was threatened and later murdered by the TMT. Two progressive-thinking, London-educated Turkish barristers who spoke against partition were killed outright by these same Turkish gangs.

Turkish extremists forced several thousand Turkish peasants to abandon their farms and animals and move into an overcrowded Turkish enclave in Nicosia. "Thus the aim of partition, camouflaged by Turkish propaganda as `federation,' was relentlessly pursued regardless of loss of human life and the human misery created. However, this so-called `first phase' of the invasion of Cyprus by Turkey only partly succeeded, since well over half of its brethren refused to obey instructions to abandon their homes for the predetermined enclaves" (The Making of Modern Cyprus, Panteli). On December 23, 1963, Turkish gangs also moved through the Armenian quarter of Nicosia and forced the inhabitants at gunpoint to leave their houses, shops, church, school and clubs to make room for more Turks.


http://www.ahmp.org/MedByp2.html[/quote]

Furthermore, the Greek troops were immediately withdrawn when the UN stationed a peacekeeping force (UNFICYP) to protect GCs from TMT seperatists.
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Postby SoSolidCrew » Sat Jan 24, 2009 3:26 pm

Greeks and Turks were living in peace. One night, Turks wake up and decided to get rid of Greeks.

Is that it?
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Postby insan » Sat Jan 24, 2009 4:46 pm

Paphitis wrote: The Greek Troops were not bought to Cyprus to declare ENOSIS. Their purpose was to offer security and protection to the GCs from TMT attack and TAF napalm bombings.


:lol: As if Greece was the only guarantor power according to 60s treaties :lol: On which date Makarios abrogated the treaty of guarantee. 1964? Why?

Paphitis, be honest like Piratis and admit that u and ur alikes always considered TCs a minority not ur politically equal community partners. Enosis, Taksim, self-determination right, sovereignity, i satrted, u started, u killed, i killed, protection of GCs, protection of TCs, Junta did, Turks did, Greeks did, Brits did, Kissinger did, anan yapdi, buban yapdi, cart, curt everything revolves around political equality of 2 communities. The rest is the inevitable consequence of the struggle revolves around the political equality of 2 communities.
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Postby zan » Sat Jan 24, 2009 4:52 pm

insan wrote:
Paphitis wrote: The Greek Troops were not bought to Cyprus to declare ENOSIS. Their purpose was to offer security and protection to the GCs from TMT attack and TAF napalm bombings.


:lol: As if Greece was the only guarantor power according to 60s treaties :lol: On which date Makarios abrogated the treaty of guarantee. 1964? Why?

Paphitis, be honest like Piratis and admit that u and ur alikes always considered TCs a minority not ur politically equal community partners. Enosis, Taksim, self-determination right, sovereignity, i satrted, u started, u killed, i killed, protection of GCs, protection of TCs, Junta did, Turks did, Greeks did, Brits did, Kissinger did, anan yapdi, buban yapdi, cart, curt everything revolves around political equality of 2 communities. The rest is the inevitable consequence of the struggle revolves around the political equality of 2 communities.


There you go..Ruffaella has got her answer from Bafitis.... 8) :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby doesntmatter » Sun Jan 25, 2009 3:27 am

miltiades wrote:
doesntmatter wrote:
Oracle wrote:Doesntmatter, you are getting hot under the collar, and your misogynistic language is indicative of the pressure you feel building up inside at your inability to get out of the mire you have piled up around you.

I suggest you apologise for lying unreservedly, and retreat gracefully ....



1) I love women but not lying racist bitches.:wink:

2) Even you Greeks don't lie that you wanted enosis in the 50's and the 60's, except Rafaella. :roll:

Now tell the world what "mire" I can't get out of.

1) Was it the FACT that you Greeks and GCs wanted enosis and the Greek soldiers were there to help you get it?

or.

2) Was it the FACT that you Greeks and GCs wanted enosis and the Greek soldiers were there to help you get it?

If you want to help your Greek comrade, make sure she does not start threads that are embarrassing for you Greeks leaving you no choice but to make fools of yourselves by trying to help her lie.

Take my advice, if you don't like the heat get out of the kitchen, playing the female victim doesn't do you any good.

Foreigner keep your nose out of Cyprus's affairs will you.


What's an old drunken enosis seeking plonker who stands to attention when the Greek flag is hoisted and sings the national Greek anthem like you doing in calling himself a "Cypriot"?

Open another bottlle of wine you drunken old plonker and go back to Greece. :lol:
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