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[doesntmatter]

The only Enosis we have experience in Cyprus is that of the north with Turkey. So piss off about this Enosis excuse, it is very stale. The GCs fought against it, the TCs embraced it.

GCs fought against enosis, in the 60's? Now that is as stale as your brain.

[RAFAELLA]

Zan 1 - No secret that Gr soldiers were killed in 1974. Under agreement (consitution) in 1960, an infantry of about 950 Greek soldiers were stationed in CyR.

Zan 2 - An article from ....ATA ATUN, who would even claim that the sun rises from the west.

Zan 3 - "During December 1967 and early January 1968, about 10,000 Greek troops" whereas ATUN claims 20,000 Greek soldiers in his article.

Do you really believe that if there were 20,000 Gr soldiers in CyR and their reason for being here was to kill Tcs, do you really believe, that even a single Tc would have been alive today?

Hmmm...looks like we are going to have to wait another week or so for Rafaella to study the the enosis wish of the Greeks and GCs and maybe ask her peers to find a "reasonable excuse" for the Greek army's presence in Cyprus.

In other words, more brainwashing for Rafaella before she is allowed to reply.

Hold your horses dear
I do not need anyones permission to reply and I am not seating all day in front of a screen reading comments with bubbles

Well, your answer as a proof "ENOSIS.....and that is a FACT, the whole FACT and nothing but the FACT.", excuse my language, but is a Fart!

[zan]

Zan 1 - No secret that Gr soldiers were killed in 1974. Under agreement (consitution) in 1960, an infantry of about 950 Greek soldiers were stationed in CyR.

Zan 2 - An article from ....ATA ATUN, who would even claim that the sun rises from the west.

Zan 3 - "During December 1967 and early January 1968, about 10,000 Greek troops" whereas ATUN claims 20,000 Greek soldiers in his article.

Do you really believe that if there were 20,000 Gr soldiers in CyR and their reason for being here was to kill Tcs, do you really believe, that even a single Tc would have been alive today?

Hmmm...looks like we are going to have to wait another week or so for Rafaella to study the the enosis wish of the Greeks and GCs and maybe ask her peers to find a "reasonable excuse" for the Greek army's presence in Cyprus.

In other words, more brainwashing for Rafaella before she is allowed to reply.

Hold your horses dear
I do not need anyones permission to reply and I am not seating all day in front of a screen reading comments with bubbles

Well, your answer as a proof "ENOSIS.....and that is a FACT, the whole FACT and nothing but the FACT.", excuse my language, but is a Fart!

What happened when Greece/Cyprus thought that Turkey would not come Dear.....Maybe the killings started in earnest....What did Turkey do to stop it....These are the questions you should be asking yourself and then you might stop putting up stories that damages you and your people....You are a liability...

[Get Real!]

What's Zan doing in a thread titled: "Answer with facts please" ?

[zan]

:shock: What's Zan doing in a thread titled: "Answer with facts please" ?

Feeling lonely until you came along.......

[Get Real!]

:shock: What's Zan doing in a thread titled: "Answer with facts please" ?

Feeling lonely until you came along.......

I thought you must've misread the title for... "Anything goes"!

[zan]

:shock: What's Zan doing in a thread titled: "Answer with facts please" ?

Feeling lonely until you came along.......

I thought you must've misread the title for... "Anything goes"!

I am convinced of it now you are here.........

[insan]

I had to open a new topic since its been a long time that I am waiting for an answer WITH FACTS to the claim of Doesntmatter that Greek troops invated CyR. Also, since the following comments where brought up in a different thread I decided to creat a new topic about it.

RAFAELLA

You claim that GREEK troops invaded CyR - HOW, WHY and FOR WHAT OCCASION DID WE INVITE GR TROOPS TO "INVADE" IN 1963/64?
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=21539

Doesntmatter

If the Greek army was not there to invade and help you GCs and Greeks get your enosis then what the heck was it doing there then?
Oh yeah, go on tell me that it was "protecting" Cyprus from an "invation" by Turkey.

Dear Doesntmatter, your above answer doesntsayanything.
It's very general and I have the impression that you are just another victim of the brainwashing turkish machine.
Please let us all know
HOW, WHY and FOR WHAT OCCASION GREEK TROOPS "INVADED" CyR IN 1963/64?
I would appreciate an answer WITH FACTS.
Thank you.

Hello Raffaella

Maybe the answer u r looking for is hidden in the analysis of the events of 163/64. These events need to be analyzed in correlation of other events, ofc; to get a healthy conclusion.

The First Cyprus Crisis
Aware of Turkish problems and not content with independence, Greek Cypriots – lead by George Grivas - still sought Enosis, and tensions remained high. In the night from 20 to 21 December 1963, a car carrying weapons for Turkish Cypriots in the Omorfita, a district of Nicosia – where armed resistance was organized – was halted on a police roadblock. After a few minutes a large crowd, mainly consisting of Turkish Cypriots, assembled nearby and the situation heated up, resulting in exchange of fire in which one policeman and two Turks were killed. This mini-uprising of Turkish Cypriots ended by Christmas of the same year, but there more skirmishes followed, as since that time Turkey began systematically organising and arming students and men younger than 30 into small units, equipped with personal weapons, bazookas and mortars. Several loads of food and ammunition were shipped from Turkey to Cyprus during the following winter, mainly by small boats and by night, which were landing in the Kokkina area.

It was the developments on Cyprus – together with the sorrow state of the Turkish military – that resulted in acquisition of significant reinforcements for the THK, in 1963. During the emergency in 1963, the THK was able to deploy only a single squadron (161. Filo) of F-84Gs to Adana. These were tasked with “skip-bombing”, which was a form of low-level anti-ship operations of the time. Certainly, this “demonstration” did not impress anybody. Late in that year the THK received its first squadron of F-104Gs and TF-104Gs arrived. These were the first out of 55 F-104Gs and eight TF-104Gs: additional Starfighter deliveries from different NATO countries (foremost Italy) were to follow, bringing the number of F-104s in THK to almost 90 by the early 1970s. Simultaneously, however, the complement of the F-100s was reduced to two active squadrons, due to the lack of flyable airframes.

The THK was therefore in no better position when the next emergency followed. On 7 March 1964, Turkish Cypriot insurgents opened fire into a crowd of unsuspecting civilians in the busy street of Pafos, killing seven and injuring 34. Over 200 Greeks were subsequently arrested by Turkish Cypriot authorities. In attempt to restore order, the Greek Cypriot National Guard (CNG) deployed a battalion from Nicosia to Pafos. Following several incidents of similar scale, Athens decided to deploy experienced combat veteran officers as commanders of the – still inexperienced - CNG to Cyprus. The Greek officers were mainly to concentrate on operations in rural areas. Also, in April 1964, George Grivas was posted as commander of the CNG.

By June 1964, the Greeks estimated that more than 1.000 of boat-loads of arms, food and ammunition arrived from Turkey. As the condition of Greek military forces was no better than that of the Turkey (in fact, it was probably even worse), Athens could do little, but Makarios acted nevertheless. He abrogated the Treaty of Guarantees, in turn causing more violence. By 9 July, the situation was so tense that the Lorovouno Mountain was occupied by the Turkish Cypriots, who also cut off several Greek villages nearby. Given that Athens saw this move as setting up of a bridgehead for a Turkish invasion, in July, Grivas was re-called to Athens for consultations about actions that were to be taken against the Turkish Cypriot community. Upon his return, on 6 August 1964, the CNG was advised to establish positions on the opposite side, deploying the 12th Tactical Group, including 206th Infantry Battalion, 31st Raider Squadron, and various Scout and artillery units to counterattack on Lorovouno Mountain, as well as against several Turkish villages in the Kokkina area. The CNG counterattack was launched on 8 August; to Ankara it was obvious that Athens was behind this development and major elements of the Turkish armed forces went on alert.

http://s188567700.online.de/CMS/index.p ... &Itemid=47

[doesntmatter]

Zan 1 - No secret that Gr soldiers were killed in 1974. Under agreement (consitution) in 1960, an infantry of about 950 Greek soldiers were stationed in CyR.

Zan 2 - An article from ....ATA ATUN, who would even claim that the sun rises from the west.

Zan 3 - "During December 1967 and early January 1968, about 10,000 Greek troops" whereas ATUN claims 20,000 Greek soldiers in his article.

Do you really believe that if there were 20,000 Gr soldiers in CyR and their reason for being here was to kill Tcs, do you really believe, that even a single Tc would have been alive today?

Hmmm...looks like we are going to have to wait another week or so for Rafaella to study the the enosis wish of the Greeks and GCs and maybe ask her peers to find a "reasonable excuse" for the Greek army's presence in Cyprus.

In other words, more brainwashing for Rafaella before she is allowed to reply.

Hold your horses dear
I do not need anyones permission to reply and I am not seating all day in front of a screen reading comments with bubbles

Well, your answer as a proof "ENOSIS.....and that is a FACT, the whole FACT and nothing but the FACT.", excuse my language, but is a Fart!

FART is what you Greeks and GCs did my dear, in the wind and even now you are smelling your own sh*t. (excuse my language)

It was obvious from the beginning that you as a victim of Greek/GC brainwashing was not going to accept anything as "proof", not even the FACT that Greeks and GCs wanted, and attempted to achieve, enosis.

Why you ask stupid questions when you know the answers but will not accept FACTS is at the least very silly.

Now it's your turn to tell us what the Greek army was doing in Cyprus if not to invade it and make it a Greek island.

I am waiting dear.

[doesntmatter]

:shock: What's Zan doing in a thread titled: "Answer with facts please" ?

Feeling lonely until you came along.......

I thought you must've misread the title for... "Anything goes"!

The title should have been "Help needed in educating Rafaella who is a victim of Greek/GC brainwashing".