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[denizaksulu]

So you ARE a partitionist?

Its all about options Deniz....It is time to move on and let the TC people get on in life. If the GCs see sense and another viable option is on the table then I am all ears. As is the majority of the TC people...I will repeat what was said to me in Cyprus..."Biz neyik"!!!!

You were asked a straight forward question. Stop beng a 'bloody politician' for a change.

I thought it was plain and simple Deniz.. I am a partitionist if that is he only option open to me....I don't see any confusion in that....If you want to label me then so be it.....I will still be at the celebrations if another FAIR deal is found.....Why is it that you so called "Cypriots" are he first to categories people and start the exclusions....It seems that there are not many here that are in business...You keep ALL your options open and do not allow one to hold back business.....Thatnis what I am doing....Always move forward and have contingency plans... [/youtube]

All I was hoping for, was when others ask you a direct question, why not come out with a straight answer. Thats all. I know your views and you know mine. Why not clear the air for Tim.

Sorry Deniz but I genuinely don't now what you are asking...I have answered with all honesty.....I am for a fair solution.....I am also in favour of partition if that is what it takes for this thing to move on. I will fight for all options because it will mean that my people can move on. If you are having trouble, along with TIm, categorising me then its not my fault. I believe in action and catting in this internet "cafe" is not enough for me although I see his as a form of action as well.What do you want Deniz.....This is one thing that you have never done...Explained what it is that you want.....Now it is your chance to give us a straight answer that does not involve a utopian dream rather than a realsitic option. We all know that a single one man one vote system is the ideal but is that what you think will be the final outcome???Are you a defeatist maybe.....A surrenderist....An "RoCist"...What catagory have you reserved for yourself???

Like you, I too have a few options, but I would never rule out a re-unification out of hand. Like you, I want our security guaranteed in any constitution that will unite us. . If we can work out a system with a one man one vote, so be it. We must try.Our politicians are there to achieve a snooth running of a future democracyMy first choice is a return to our homes and lands (where possible). I dont believe that TCs will disappear if re-unification takes place. We have survived until now. We should give peace a chance and that is not occupying land forcefully. If you have partition now, you are not providing the younger generation with a peaceful Cyprus. That would be disastrous.

Call me what you wish. They are only words. I believe in justice. Perhaps we did not get justice from the GCs prior t 1974, but we must show them that we are capable of 'living in a just socety'.
If these talks fail, or if there is no re-unification - then that is a different story. Your motherland is only 4 minutes away.

I am a proud Cypriot and a prouder Turkish Cypriot. Are you ashamed to call yourself a Cypriot? If you are not a Cypriot, what are you ? a 'Martian'?

Why would partition not provide a peaceful society...Two people living side by side and working for unification as equals. Why does it have to be a dirty word.....When two parents split and still work for the best future for their children after having decided its the best way...A battered wife is always the last one to realise she is better off out of it!!!


And showing the GCs that we can live in a just society??? What does that mean???

If you do not think that we will disappear then have a look at all the other islands we have lost to the Greeks.....That is so irresponsible it is hard to believe. Bir has seen this and still not lost his hope for the ideal.....

By forcing 'partition' on the GCs you are sowing the seeds for further strife. Cyprus will turn into another 'Palestine'. The Palestinians will never stop their just fight.

I am not BK. We all have our 'dreams'. The circumstances are different from those days when the Ottomans lost Crete and the other Aegean islands.

Why is it that we are forcing them Deniz.....If that is the only option they give us then it is they that are forcing us......Why should we just capitulate because of their pressure and threats.... like the way you have given the GCs the Palestinian status...I think it is us in the Gaza strip not them....

Nothing has changed Deniz...We are still the same people that have lived all those days......More and more TC people will leave the country.....The danger will be the prejudice we face...There have been many that have at alst agreed to their captors demands and still the bullet has left the gun...If you think that once the GCs have got ALL the power they need that they will not make sure that this sort of problem does not get a chance to happen again then I can honestly say you have not got a clue as to how the world works....

You said it Zan. More and more TCs are leaving now. And that is without re-unification. Wha does that tell you.

You always want to go back to the London and Zurich agreements. What difference do you think that will make? There was no one man one vote even then. Would going back there give us a different fate from the Cretan Turks and the other Turkish Aedean islanders?

As for the Palestinians, the roles are interchangeable. They hae been at 'war' since 1948. Until the Israelis pull back to the iterbationally recognised borders there will never be peace. One small spark and more strife. The same will happen in Cyprus. There will always be a Cypriot 'Hamas' group to vow to turn the place into 'hell'.

Some are leaving and some are returning.....That is a fact....The reasons for why some are leaving....Might it have something to do with the siege and the worry about where he next shekel is going to come from....Let us trade and then we will see who leaves and who returns....Give people a chance to prosper and watch the UK empty from TCs...

So from you it is an "eyvallah" so long as there is reunification...From me it is: lets start to build our country so people return.

So you also think that by forcing people together is not going to make any sparks???? Well I suppose you could be right...There will be hardly any TCs left to make sparks.....That the "RoC" will make sure f...A little cull here and a little cull there..A little pressure here and a little help there/to leave the country!!!!

Somehow I feel uncomfortable 'building up 'your' country on somebody elses land and property.' I f you are comfortable with that that, who am I to say. I am only a refugee in this country like you.

End of.

Not really comfortable Deniz but then I am a realist so have to get on with it...Full compensation of course....We did not ask for this Deniz.....We signed a treaty and thought that was the end of it....I am buggered if I am going to fall on Makarios' sword. Only my father knows the state of his mind when we left Cyprus...He has suffered enough at the hands and plans of the Makarios regime. Why should I let his memory die!!!!?

We all have our memories and losses Zan. May the departed rest in peace. My grand parent passed away in the uk (on 1964 21st Dec, my grandfather) heart broken too. You cannot not say ones pain is greater than the other. My recollection of the bloodshed is more vivid than yours, but I respect your opinions and thoughts on the matter.
Luckily I am not the chief negotiator nor have the power to force upon you some solution that you disagree with. You talk of realities. Embargo's, recognition, sports etc, these are realities too.

[zan]

So you ARE a partitionist?

Its all about options Deniz....It is time to move on and let the TC people get on in life. If the GCs see sense and another viable option is on the table then I am all ears. As is the majority of the TC people...I will repeat what was said to me in Cyprus..."Biz neyik"!!!!

You were asked a straight forward question. Stop beng a 'bloody politician' for a change.

I thought it was plain and simple Deniz.. I am a partitionist if that is he only option open to me....I don't see any confusion in that....If you want to label me then so be it.....I will still be at the celebrations if another FAIR deal is found.....Why is it that you so called "Cypriots" are he first to categories people and start the exclusions....It seems that there are not many here that are in business...You keep ALL your options open and do not allow one to hold back business.....Thatnis what I am doing....Always move forward and have contingency plans... [/youtube]

All I was hoping for, was when others ask you a direct question, why not come out with a straight answer. Thats all. I know your views and you know mine. Why not clear the air for Tim.

Sorry Deniz but I genuinely don't now what you are asking...I have answered with all honesty.....I am for a fair solution.....I am also in favour of partition if that is what it takes for this thing to move on. I will fight for all options because it will mean that my people can move on. If you are having trouble, along with TIm, categorising me then its not my fault. I believe in action and catting in this internet "cafe" is not enough for me although I see his as a form of action as well.What do you want Deniz.....This is one thing that you have never done...Explained what it is that you want.....Now it is your chance to give us a straight answer that does not involve a utopian dream rather than a realsitic option. We all know that a single one man one vote system is the ideal but is that what you think will be the final outcome???Are you a defeatist maybe.....A surrenderist....An "RoCist"...What catagory have you reserved for yourself???

Like you, I too have a few options, but I would never rule out a re-unification out of hand. Like you, I want our security guaranteed in any constitution that will unite us. . If we can work out a system with a one man one vote, so be it. We must try.Our politicians are there to achieve a snooth running of a future democracyMy first choice is a return to our homes and lands (where possible). I dont believe that TCs will disappear if re-unification takes place. We have survived until now. We should give peace a chance and that is not occupying land forcefully. If you have partition now, you are not providing the younger generation with a peaceful Cyprus. That would be disastrous.

Call me what you wish. They are only words. I believe in justice. Perhaps we did not get justice from the GCs prior t 1974, but we must show them that we are capable of 'living in a just socety'.
If these talks fail, or if there is no re-unification - then that is a different story. Your motherland is only 4 minutes away.

I am a proud Cypriot and a prouder Turkish Cypriot. Are you ashamed to call yourself a Cypriot? If you are not a Cypriot, what are you ? a 'Martian'?

Why would partition not provide a peaceful society...Two people living side by side and working for unification as equals. Why does it have to be a dirty word.....When two parents split and still work for the best future for their children after having decided its the best way...A battered wife is always the last one to realise she is better off out of it!!!


And showing the GCs that we can live in a just society??? What does that mean???

If you do not think that we will disappear then have a look at all the other islands we have lost to the Greeks.....That is so irresponsible it is hard to believe. Bir has seen this and still not lost his hope for the ideal.....

By forcing 'partition' on the GCs you are sowing the seeds for further strife. Cyprus will turn into another 'Palestine'. The Palestinians will never stop their just fight.

I am not BK. We all have our 'dreams'. The circumstances are different from those days when the Ottomans lost Crete and the other Aegean islands.

Why is it that we are forcing them Deniz.....If that is the only option they give us then it is they that are forcing us......Why should we just capitulate because of their pressure and threats.... like the way you have given the GCs the Palestinian status...I think it is us in the Gaza strip not them....

Nothing has changed Deniz...We are still the same people that have lived all those days......More and more TC people will leave the country.....The danger will be the prejudice we face...There have been many that have at alst agreed to their captors demands and still the bullet has left the gun...If you think that once the GCs have got ALL the power they need that they will not make sure that this sort of problem does not get a chance to happen again then I can honestly say you have not got a clue as to how the world works....

You said it Zan. More and more TCs are leaving now. And that is without re-unification. Wha does that tell you.

You always want to go back to the London and Zurich agreements. What difference do you think that will make? There was no one man one vote even then. Would going back there give us a different fate from the Cretan Turks and the other Turkish Aedean islanders?

As for the Palestinians, the roles are interchangeable. They hae been at 'war' since 1948. Until the Israelis pull back to the iterbationally recognised borders there will never be peace. One small spark and more strife. The same will happen in Cyprus. There will always be a Cypriot 'Hamas' group to vow to turn the place into 'hell'.

Some are leaving and some are returning.....That is a fact....The reasons for why some are leaving....Might it have something to do with the siege and the worry about where he next shekel is going to come from....Let us trade and then we will see who leaves and who returns....Give people a chance to prosper and watch the UK empty from TCs...

So from you it is an "eyvallah" so long as there is reunification...From me it is: lets start to build our country so people return.

So you also think that by forcing people together is not going to make any sparks???? Well I suppose you could be right...There will be hardly any TCs left to make sparks.....That the "RoC" will make sure f...A little cull here and a little cull there..A little pressure here and a little help there/to leave the country!!!!

Somehow I feel uncomfortable 'building up 'your' country on somebody elses land and property.' I f you are comfortable with that that, who am I to say. I am only a refugee in this country like you.

End of.

Not really comfortable Deniz but then I am a realist so have to get on with it...Full compensation of course....We did not ask for this Deniz.....We signed a treaty and thought that was the end of it....I am buggered if I am going to fall on Makarios' sword. Only my father knows the state of his mind when we left Cyprus...He has suffered enough at the hands and plans of the Makarios regime. Why should I let his memory die!!!!?

We all have our memories and losses Zan. May the departed rest in peace. My grand parent passed away in the uk (on 1964 21st Dec, my grandfather) heart broken too. You cannot not say ones pain is greater than the other. My recollection of the bloodshed is more vivid than yours, but I respect your opinions and thoughts on the matter.
Luckily I am not the chief negotiator nor have the power to force upon you some solution that you disagree with. You talk of realities. Embargo's, recognition, sports etc, these are realities too.

All realities and ones I would like to put right... Whilst the talks go on we should prepare for all eventualities. We cannot sit around any more.

My father is still with us by the way. He tells me not to bother. He is concerned for my safety. That is the legacy of his experiences.

[denizaksulu]

So you ARE a partitionist?

Its all about options Deniz....It is time to move on and let the TC people get on in life. If the GCs see sense and another viable option is on the table then I am all ears. As is the majority of the TC people...I will repeat what was said to me in Cyprus..."Biz neyik"!!!!

You were asked a straight forward question. Stop beng a 'bloody politician' for a change.

I thought it was plain and simple Deniz.. I am a partitionist if that is he only option open to me....I don't see any confusion in that....If you want to label me then so be it.....I will still be at the celebrations if another FAIR deal is found.....Why is it that you so called "Cypriots" are he first to categories people and start the exclusions....It seems that there are not many here that are in business...You keep ALL your options open and do not allow one to hold back business.....Thatnis what I am doing....Always move forward and have contingency plans... [/youtube]

All I was hoping for, was when others ask you a direct question, why not come out with a straight answer. Thats all. I know your views and you know mine. Why not clear the air for Tim.

Sorry Deniz but I genuinely don't now what you are asking...I have answered with all honesty.....I am for a fair solution.....I am also in favour of partition if that is what it takes for this thing to move on. I will fight for all options because it will mean that my people can move on. If you are having trouble, along with TIm, categorising me then its not my fault. I believe in action and catting in this internet "cafe" is not enough for me although I see his as a form of action as well.What do you want Deniz.....This is one thing that you have never done...Explained what it is that you want.....Now it is your chance to give us a straight answer that does not involve a utopian dream rather than a realsitic option. We all know that a single one man one vote system is the ideal but is that what you think will be the final outcome???Are you a defeatist maybe.....A surrenderist....An "RoCist"...What catagory have you reserved for yourself???

Like you, I too have a few options, but I would never rule out a re-unification out of hand. Like you, I want our security guaranteed in any constitution that will unite us. . If we can work out a system with a one man one vote, so be it. We must try.Our politicians are there to achieve a snooth running of a future democracyMy first choice is a return to our homes and lands (where possible). I dont believe that TCs will disappear if re-unification takes place. We have survived until now. We should give peace a chance and that is not occupying land forcefully. If you have partition now, you are not providing the younger generation with a peaceful Cyprus. That would be disastrous.

Call me what you wish. They are only words. I believe in justice. Perhaps we did not get justice from the GCs prior t 1974, but we must show them that we are capable of 'living in a just socety'.
If these talks fail, or if there is no re-unification - then that is a different story. Your motherland is only 4 minutes away.

I am a proud Cypriot and a prouder Turkish Cypriot. Are you ashamed to call yourself a Cypriot? If you are not a Cypriot, what are you ? a 'Martian'?

Why would partition not provide a peaceful society...Two people living side by side and working for unification as equals. Why does it have to be a dirty word.....When two parents split and still work for the best future for their children after having decided its the best way...A battered wife is always the last one to realise she is better off out of it!!!


And showing the GCs that we can live in a just society??? What does that mean???

If you do not think that we will disappear then have a look at all the other islands we have lost to the Greeks.....That is so irresponsible it is hard to believe. Bir has seen this and still not lost his hope for the ideal.....

By forcing 'partition' on the GCs you are sowing the seeds for further strife. Cyprus will turn into another 'Palestine'. The Palestinians will never stop their just fight.

I am not BK. We all have our 'dreams'. The circumstances are different from those days when the Ottomans lost Crete and the other Aegean islands.

Why is it that we are forcing them Deniz.....If that is the only option they give us then it is they that are forcing us......Why should we just capitulate because of their pressure and threats.... like the way you have given the GCs the Palestinian status...I think it is us in the Gaza strip not them....

Nothing has changed Deniz...We are still the same people that have lived all those days......More and more TC people will leave the country.....The danger will be the prejudice we face...There have been many that have at alst agreed to their captors demands and still the bullet has left the gun...If you think that once the GCs have got ALL the power they need that they will not make sure that this sort of problem does not get a chance to happen again then I can honestly say you have not got a clue as to how the world works....

You said it Zan. More and more TCs are leaving now. And that is without re-unification. Wha does that tell you.

You always want to go back to the London and Zurich agreements. What difference do you think that will make? There was no one man one vote even then. Would going back there give us a different fate from the Cretan Turks and the other Turkish Aedean islanders?

As for the Palestinians, the roles are interchangeable. They hae been at 'war' since 1948. Until the Israelis pull back to the iterbationally recognised borders there will never be peace. One small spark and more strife. The same will happen in Cyprus. There will always be a Cypriot 'Hamas' group to vow to turn the place into 'hell'.

Some are leaving and some are returning.....That is a fact....The reasons for why some are leaving....Might it have something to do with the siege and the worry about where he next shekel is going to come from....Let us trade and then we will see who leaves and who returns....Give people a chance to prosper and watch the UK empty from TCs...

So from you it is an "eyvallah" so long as there is reunification...From me it is: lets start to build our country so people return.

So you also think that by forcing people together is not going to make any sparks???? Well I suppose you could be right...There will be hardly any TCs left to make sparks.....That the "RoC" will make sure f...A little cull here and a little cull there..A little pressure here and a little help there/to leave the country!!!!

Somehow I feel uncomfortable 'building up 'your' country on somebody elses land and property.' I f you are comfortable with that that, who am I to say. I am only a refugee in this country like you.

End of.

Not really comfortable Deniz but then I am a realist so have to get on with it...Full compensation of course....We did not ask for this Deniz.....We signed a treaty and thought that was the end of it....I am buggered if I am going to fall on Makarios' sword. Only my father knows the state of his mind when we left Cyprus...He has suffered enough at the hands and plans of the Makarios regime. Why should I let his memory die!!!!?

We all have our memories and losses Zan. May the departed rest in peace. My grand parent passed away in the uk (on 1964 21st Dec, my grandfather) heart broken too. You cannot not say ones pain is greater than the other. My recollection of the bloodshed is more vivid than yours, but I respect your opinions and thoughts on the matter.
Luckily I am not the chief negotiator nor have the power to force upon you some solution that you disagree with. You talk of realities. Embargo's, recognition, sports etc, these are realities too.

All realities and ones I would like to put right... Whilst the talks go on we should prepare for all eventualities. We cannot sit around any more.

My father is still with us by the way. He tells me not to bother. He is concerned for my safety. That is the legacy of his experiences.

Safe? I have been south a few times with no problem. I was nearly shot for taking photos near Omorfo/Morphou, and nearly arrested at a village which name I do not recal. Saved by the Moukhtar who we were visiting. Safety is relative. Dont let paranoia strangle you.

[iceman]

I wish you guys learned quoting only the bit you are replying to...Its not rocket science..


deniz...I am with you on this one...
Totally against setting up a country on someone else's property.

[zan]

I wish you guys learned quoting only the bit you are replying to...Its not rocket science..


deniz...I am with you on this one...
Totally against setting up a country on someone else's property.

I didn't want to confuse Deniz Just joking!!!


Not a lover of it iceman but needs must.

[zan]

Deniz Wrote:

Safe? I have been south a few times with no problem. I was nearly shot for taking photos near Omorfo/Morphou, and nearly arrested at a village which name I do not recal. Saved by the Moukhtar who we were visiting. Safety is relative. Dont let paranoia strangle you.

Not what I was talking about Deniz.

[Nikitas]

YFred said:

"I don't believe it happened but I can't say it can never happen under any army."

Refer to the reports in the British press, especially serious papers like the Times, Observer, et al, for the period following the invasion. That would be late August till end September 1974. You will be amazed at what the Turkish army is capable of. There is a harrowing photograph of a 17 year old GC girl in Yalous who was bayoneted to death. Her body bore 100 bayonet cuts because she would not allow Turkish soldiers to rape her. Her photo was published in the Sunday Times. None of the soldiers who carried out the murder was ever prosecuted. I do not want to post her name, out of respect to her family.

The folk painter Kassialos was beaten by soldiers and later died near Ayios Varnavas because he had no more money to give them. He was in his 80s.

The carpenter of Ayios Sergios was shot in his carpentry shop days after the end of hostilities. His body is pictured in the Times.

BBC newsreel shows Turkish soldiers looting shops, and one is tragicomic showing a Turkish soldier coming out of a shop window his arms full of ladies tights, of all things!

The days following Attila II were days of slaughter and pillage.

I have no problem accepting that GCs massacred people in Maratha and Sandalaris. What is it with you people and this peculiar conception you have of the Turkish army as a bunch of saints? They are not. And in Cyprus they were encouraged to behave like maniacs. Do some research and see for yourself.

[YFred]

You are jumping the gun. The property issue is about to be discussed. When and if resolved, we will see if it is fair or not. I believe that by giving land back, and allowing people who used to live in the north, to move to the north, without upsetting the balance of the population in the north would be a good way of moving forward.

Complete unification with no restriction cannot happen today. The extremes on both sides will kill it on no time at all. It needs time for each side to begin mutual understanding and to show the other side that there is no threat. Some stage in the future, the younger generation will be able to make judgment and move which ever direction they wish. They should be free to do so.

If two communities trade fairly, and the problems of the 60’s do not resurface, why shouldn’t want to unify further.

A good example of this is the EU. It started as a trade agreement, and look where it has come to. Single currency and no borders for some. It just needs time.

[YFred]

YFred said:

"I don't believe it happened but I can't say it can never happen under any army."

Refer to the reports in the British press, especially serious papers like the Times, Observer, et al, for the period following the invasion. That would be late August till end September 1974. You will be amazed at what the Turkish army is capable of. There is a harrowing photograph of a 17 year old GC girl in Yalous who was bayoneted to death. Her body bore 100 bayonet cuts because she would not allow Turkish soldiers to rape her. Her photo was published in the Sunday Times. None of the soldiers who carried out the murder was ever prosecuted. I do not want to post her name, out of respect to her family.

The folk painter Kassialos was beaten by soldiers and later died near Ayios Varnavas because he had no more money to give them. He was in his 80s.

The carpenter of Ayios Sergios was shot in his carpentry shop days after the end of hostilities. His body is pictured in the Times.

BBC newsreel shows Turkish soldiers looting shops, and one is tragicomic showing a Turkish soldier coming out of a shop window his arms full of ladies tights, of all things!

The days following Attila II were days of slaughter and pillage.

I have no problem accepting that GCs massacred people in Maratha and Sandalaris. What is it with you people and this peculiar conception you have of the Turkish army as a bunch of saints? They are not. And in Cyprus they were encouraged to behave like maniacs. Do some research and see for yourself.

I was referring to the incident with the actor. Not in general. I have no doubt that such people exist in all armies. You are referring to the massacred Turkish villages. That was an answer to a GC saying our soldiers has never committed atrocities.
Please do not take my comments out of context. Follow the thread.

[Cliff]

Thank you for writing to me. Your note
highlights one of the key weaknesses of
the Geneva Conventions process: it rests
on respect for the rule of law. And we
know that in many places around the world,
the rule of law is not well established with
regard to even the most preliminary issues of
physical safety of minority or unpopular
groups. We have only to look at the ugly
history of the prison at Guantanamo Bay
to see that even the United States, which
imagines itself to be a great champion of
human rights, has serious problems abiding
by the Geneva Conventions, which it signed.

Some questions that come to mind as I read
your messages is whether the ten Greek Cypriot
men were under the custody of the Turkish
government when they were killed. If they
had been convicted of some crimes, what sort
of trial did they receive? If they were tried in
some sort of court, did that court meet the
standards that the Turkish government sets for
trials of its own citizens. I believe that Turkey
is a signatory to the Geneva Conventions, so
killing a prisoner would be a crime under
Turkish law. As I read the news stories about
this case it is not so clear exactly what happened,
except for the killing of a young man. So I will
just concentrate on that.

I have been working on Geneva Conventions
issues for about four years, and one of the
conclusions I have reached is this (forgive the
awkward analogy): the house of law is not
build on solid ground; it is build on the unstable
deck of the ship of culture. If a culture
unravels, or is trapped in primitive paradigms
of revenge, law alone cannot save it. Culture comes
first. (For example, during World War Two the
German legal system was full of highly trained
lawyers and judges, but they themselves were infected
by the cultural madness of the moment.)

That suggests that the only real hope for redress
of the deaths of the 1500 Greek Cypriots who have
been missing since the armed conflict in the 1970s is in
the evolution of the culture of human rights in Turkey.
I am sure there are Turkish human rights groups who
are working on that issue. The real significance
of the Geneva Conventions, in my view, is not that the
fear of jail will restrain angry men from committing
atrocities; there is very little evidence over the past
150 years to support that. I think the real significance
of the Geneva Conventions is the cultural shift away from
violent revenge and toward the culture of self-restraint and
the Golden Rule (treat your prisoners of war the way
you would like your enemies to treat your soldiers
whom they have captured).

My heart goes with you in your grief over the story of the
young man who was executed. If this grief can motivate
us to support more fully the emergence of the culture of
self-restraint, fairness and the Golden Rule, IN EVERY COUNTRY,
then perhaps his tragic death will not have been entirely in
vain. Most countries on plane Earth, including my own,
I am sad to say, are still struggling to learn that we cannot
punch, shoot and/or bomb our way to happiness and security.
Too many of us still love our guns, fists and egos more than
we love our children.

Sincerely,

Dennis Rivers, MA
Secretary
SupportGenevaConventions.info





Please find below a message submitted

Article 13, of the Geneva Convention, stipulates that ''prisoners of war must at all times be humanely treated. Any unlawful act or omission by the Detaining Power causing death or seriously endangering the health of a prisoner of war in its custody is prohibited, and will be regarded as a serious breach of the present Convention.''



I have a serious offence to report, alas, i cannot find who enforces the above law. I will elaborate:



Turkish actor Attila Olgac confessed the killing of ten Greek Cypriots, some details were given and recorded on their national television, making a mockery of enforcement of peace.

The details given were that the first execution was of a 19 year old man, who's name has not been disclosed, who was disarmed and had his arms tied behind him. The above named person Mr A. Olgac then shot the young man in the back of the head after being directed to do so. He goes on to confess to another 9 murders, details unknown.

We require the identity of the victims, and location of remains for christian burial.