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"I killed 10 Greekcypriots"

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Postby Tim Drayton » Sun Jan 25, 2009 11:44 am

Nikitas wrote:"I admit my ignorance of this, but have seen it being alluded to.Can I 'innocently' ask WHY?What comes to my mind is, 'are they afraid something 'bad' will be unearthed from the G/GC side?I find this most intruiging and/or generous of the RoC."

To answer your question Deniz,

The RoC realised that on its own it has no chance of ever prosecuting a Turkish national, especially if Turkey does not want to have a warrant executed against him in Turkey.

The next best policy is to let people officially off the hook if they give a formal statement. There is one case where a Turkish national has given a statement of events in 1974. He is a professor in Turkey now and his name has been kept ouf of the media.

There may also be a self serving angle too, although so far it has not been demostrated- that of using the statements for propaganda or political gain.


Isn't there also an argument that rather than pursuing a few footsoldiers, a strategy that will only ensure that others who know something will clam up, it is better to offer them immunity in return for coming clean? In this way the RoC may be able to compile a dossier that will both document the atrocities which ocured and also, possibly, enable action to be taken against those higher in the chain of command who bear ultimate responsibility.
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Postby kurupetos » Sun Jan 25, 2009 12:12 pm

Can someone give us a translation of this:
http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/gundem/10849958.asp?gid=229
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Postby Tim Drayton » Sun Jan 25, 2009 12:55 pm

kurupetos wrote:Can someone give us a translation of this:
http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/gundem/10849958.asp?gid=229


Olgaç is basically continuing with his retraction. This is the most significant paragraph:

Bir insanlık suçu işlediğim, mahkeme yolunun göründüğü söyleniyor. İnsan Hakları Mahkemesi’ne gidilsin, bu beni mutlu eder. Çünkü bu olayın gerçek olmadığı o zaman ortaya çıkacaktır. O bölgeye giden hiçbir Türk askeri, bir Rum’a hele esire böyle davranmamıştır, davranmaz da. Ben böyle bir şey duymadım, inanmıyorum da. Tek hatam senaryoyu bir bütün olarak değil de bu şekliyle anlatmamdır ve anlatırken de oyunculuğumu kullanıp oynamamdır. Dediğim gibi anlattıklarımın gerçekle ilgisi yoktur. Gerekli araştırmalar yapılıp her şeyin de ortaya çıkmasını ben de çok isterim."

TRANSLATION
It is said that I commited a humanitarian crime, that this will end up in court. Let this go to the Court of Human Rights. This will make me happy because it will be established there that this event is not real. Not a single Turkish soldier who went to that zone acted in that manner towards a Greek Cypriot, let alone a prisoner, nor could ever do so. I have never heard of, nor believe, such a thing. My only mistake was to convey the scenario in this way rather than as a whole, and in putting it across to draw on my acting skills and play the part. As I have said, what I spoke of is unconnected with reality. I too would very much like the necessary research to be done and for everything to come into the open.
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Postby denizaksulu » Sun Jan 25, 2009 2:13 pm

doesntmatter wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
doesntmatter wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:Tim is an asset to this forum. I suspect that he is also a Greek speaker. With a linguist with his capabilities we should appreciate his contributions to this forum and not be insultive.

Respect.

Yeah, I agree, Tim is a great asset to the Greek/GC propaganda machine. :lol:

Tim is one of the “foreign correspondents” and a neutral translator of the forum so his contributions are PRICELESS but when it comes to YOUR contributions…


"neutral" you say? Tim is less "neutral" than even you are. :roll:





now that’s something we need to have a man to man talk about! Image


When you've grown up and think you are a "man" let me know and we'll have that "man to man talk".:lol:



DM, you are fresh on the forum. You have not seen Tim be critical of the Greks/GCs. Just search his posts.
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Postby miltiades » Sun Jan 25, 2009 2:17 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
doesntmatter wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
doesntmatter wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:Tim is an asset to this forum. I suspect that he is also a Greek speaker. With a linguist with his capabilities we should appreciate his contributions to this forum and not be insultive.

Respect.

Yeah, I agree, Tim is a great asset to the Greek/GC propaganda machine. :lol:

Tim is one of the “foreign correspondents” and a neutral translator of the forum so his contributions are PRICELESS but when it comes to YOUR contributions…


"neutral" you say? Tim is less "neutral" than even you are. :roll:





now that’s something we need to have a man to man talk about! Image


When you've grown up and think you are a "man" let me know and we'll have that "man to man talk".:lol:



DM, you are fresh on the forum. You have not seen Tim be critical of the Greks/GCs. Just search his posts.

Deniz , he is not new to the forum , its Eric Daye in disguise !! :lol:
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Postby kurupetos » Sun Jan 25, 2009 2:19 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
kurupetos wrote:Can someone give us a translation of this:
http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/gundem/10849958.asp?gid=229


Olgaç is basically continuing with his retraction. This is the most significant paragraph:

Bir insanlık suçu işlediğim, mahkeme yolunun göründüğü söyleniyor. İnsan Hakları Mahkemesi’ne gidilsin, bu beni mutlu eder. Çünkü bu olayın gerçek olmadığı o zaman ortaya çıkacaktır. O bölgeye giden hiçbir Türk askeri, bir Rum’a hele esire böyle davranmamıştır, davranmaz da. Ben böyle bir şey duymadım, inanmıyorum da. Tek hatam senaryoyu bir bütün olarak değil de bu şekliyle anlatmamdır ve anlatırken de oyunculuğumu kullanıp oynamamdır. Dediğim gibi anlattıklarımın gerçekle ilgisi yoktur. Gerekli araştırmalar yapılıp her şeyin de ortaya çıkmasını ben de çok isterim."

TRANSLATION
It is said that I commited a humanitarian crime, that this will end up in court. Let this go to the Court of Human Rights. This will make me happy because it will be established there that this event is not real. Not a single Turkish soldier who went to that zone acted in that manner towards a Greek Cypriot, let alone a prisoner, nor could ever do so. I have never heard of, nor believe, such a thing. My only mistake was to convey the scenario in this way rather than as a whole, and in putting it across to draw on my acting skills and play the part. As I have said, what I spoke of is unconnected with reality. I too would very much like the necessary research to be done and for everything to come into the open.


Thank u Tim. This latter statement seems more like a scenario to me, if u now what I mean. :wink:
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Postby Kikapu » Sun Jan 25, 2009 2:26 pm

miltiades wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
doesntmatter wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
doesntmatter wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:Tim is an asset to this forum. I suspect that he is also a Greek speaker. With a linguist with his capabilities we should appreciate his contributions to this forum and not be insultive.

Respect.

Yeah, I agree, Tim is a great asset to the Greek/GC propaganda machine. :lol:

Tim is one of the “foreign correspondents” and a neutral translator of the forum so his contributions are PRICELESS but when it comes to YOUR contributions…


"neutral" you say? Tim is less "neutral" than even you are. :roll:





now that’s something we need to have a man to man talk about! Image


When you've grown up and think you are a "man" let me know and we'll have that "man to man talk".:lol:



DM, you are fresh on the forum. You have not seen Tim be critical of the Greks/GCs. Just search his posts.

Deniz , he is not new to the forum , its Eric Daye in disguise !! :lol:


It just goes to show what a trusting and a nice guy Deniz is, Miltiades.!
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Postby Tim Drayton » Sun Jan 25, 2009 2:33 pm

miltiades wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
doesntmatter wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
doesntmatter wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:Tim is an asset to this forum. I suspect that he is also a Greek speaker. With a linguist with his capabilities we should appreciate his contributions to this forum and not be insultive.

Respect.

Yeah, I agree, Tim is a great asset to the Greek/GC propaganda machine. :lol:

Tim is one of the “foreign correspondents” and a neutral translator of the forum so his contributions are PRICELESS but when it comes to YOUR contributions…


"neutral" you say? Tim is less "neutral" than even you are. :roll:





now that’s something we need to have a man to man talk about! Image


When you've grown up and think you are a "man" let me know and we'll have that "man to man talk".:lol:



DM, you are fresh on the forum. You have not seen Tim be critical of the Greks/GCs. Just search his posts.

Deniz , he is not new to the forum , its Eric Daye in disguise !! :lol:


Eric Dayı can spell much better!
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Postby denizaksulu » Sun Jan 25, 2009 2:37 pm

miltiades wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
doesntmatter wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
doesntmatter wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:Tim is an asset to this forum. I suspect that he is also a Greek speaker. With a linguist with his capabilities we should appreciate his contributions to this forum and not be insultive.

Respect.

Yeah, I agree, Tim is a great asset to the Greek/GC propaganda machine. :lol:

Tim is one of the “foreign correspondents” and a neutral translator of the forum so his contributions are PRICELESS but when it comes to YOUR contributions…


"neutral" you say? Tim is less "neutral" than even you are. :roll:





now that’s something we need to have a man to man talk about! Image


When you've grown up and think you are a "man" let me know and we'll have that "man to man talk".:lol:



DM, you are fresh on the forum. You have not seen Tim be critical of the Greks/GCs. Just search his posts.

Deniz , he is not new to the forum , its Eric Daye in disguise !! :lol:



:shock: :shock: OH! FUCK :shock: :shock:

Thats all I needed. A Turk Trojan Horse. :roll:
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Postby Get Real! » Sun Jan 25, 2009 3:41 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
TRANSLATION

Not a single Turkish soldier who went to that zone acted in that manner towards a Greek Cypriot, let alone a prisoner, nor could ever do so.

What's this now? I guess he must've been sent to Cyprus to conduct a human rights watch and write up a report, and here we were thinking he killed people… :lol:

What a lying low life! :roll:
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