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[YFred]

That’s what happens in war. Atrocities committed by both sides

Exactly YFred. So the question is not so much of what happened during the war or conflict (the answer to that will always be crimes and casualties from both sides)

The question is who started the war.

And all the wars and conflicts in Cyprus were started by the Turks.

The very first one, in 1571, was started by the Turks, and it lasted until 1878, a period during which native Cypriots were mascaraed by the 1000s on multiple occasions and treated like shit.

Then, merely 80 years later, in 1958, the Turks (again!) collaborate with the new rulers of Cyprus, and again attack the native Cypriots in order to again deny to Cypriots their freedom and self-determination from foreign rule, and the result is the inter-communal conflict.

Then in 1974 the Turks invade yet again. They claim that they invade to "save the poor TCs who were killed", but the undeniable fact is that no TC was killed in 1974 until after the Turks invaded.

So in all cases we have casualties from both sides (much more from our side), but the important thing is that all suffering and casualties happened during wars and conflicts which the Turks started.

The Turkish aggression and imperialism is the Cyprus Problem. Without the Turkish aggression and imperialism there wouldn't be a Cyprus problem to begin with (there wouldn't be any Turks in Cyprus). But even if at some point the Turks stopped being aggressive, then they would have recognize the right of the Cypriot people for democracy and human rights and the problem would be solved.

However they have not changed, and that is why the problem continues. The Cyprus problem will be solved if (1) The Turks stop the aggression and they recognize the right of the Cypriot people for democracy and human rights, or (2) when the Turks will be defeated and Cyprus will be liberated from them, ending in this way centuries of oppression against the native Cypriot people.

Meanwhile the Turks insist on continuing the war they started in 1974 by illegally occupying 1/3rd of the territory of Republic of Cyprus, and there is no doubt that if their aggression doesn't stop that Cyprus will see more suffering and casualties.

Now look Piratis, this can’t happen, if you start agreeing with me, you will ruin my reputation.
I told you before a million times. For the 1570/71 take Lala Mustafa Pasa to court, you know where he resides, and he is unlikely to abscond.

You are so wrong.
Surely there were wars in Cyprus before the arrival of Osman and his gang. How well did you get on with the Catholics then?

[YFred]

"Show me one country that has taken onboard any conventions of war."

Well, we must admit that the ELDYK soldiers who fought in Cyprus in 1974 kept to the rules of war. There is not one single incident of rape or otherwise harming civilians by them. They had the opportunity to harm civilians if they were so inclined in villages northwest of Nicosia where they came in contact with TC civilians, they did not.

Does Murataga, Atlilar and Sandallar mean anything to you? All civilian men, women and children wiped out. Are you totally oblivious to the atrocities committed by Greek Cypriot Army.

Forgive me but I do not know who ELDYK soldiers are.

[zan]

Deleted

What Timing, I was discussing the state of the Greek police and the justice system with DT just a few days ago. Perhaps when they finish with the police, they can get on to the Judiciary.

Why deleted? Zan, please explain.

I meant to open a new thread and posted here by mistake. I have opened the thread though.

[Piratis]

That’s what happens in war. Atrocities committed by both sides

Exactly YFred. So the question is not so much of what happened during the war or conflict (the answer to that will always be crimes and casualties from both sides)

The question is who started the war.

And all the wars and conflicts in Cyprus were started by the Turks.

The very first one, in 1571, was started by the Turks, and it lasted until 1878, a period during which native Cypriots were mascaraed by the 1000s on multiple occasions and treated like shit.

Then, merely 80 years later, in 1958, the Turks (again!) collaborate with the new rulers of Cyprus, and again attack the native Cypriots in order to again deny to Cypriots their freedom and self-determination from foreign rule, and the result is the inter-communal conflict.

Then in 1974 the Turks invade yet again. They claim that they invade to "save the poor TCs who were killed", but the undeniable fact is that no TC was killed in 1974 until after the Turks invaded.

So in all cases we have casualties from both sides (much more from our side), but the important thing is that all suffering and casualties happened during wars and conflicts which the Turks started.

The Turkish aggression and imperialism is the Cyprus Problem. Without the Turkish aggression and imperialism there wouldn't be a Cyprus problem to begin with (there wouldn't be any Turks in Cyprus). But even if at some point the Turks stopped being aggressive, then they would have recognize the right of the Cypriot people for democracy and human rights and the problem would be solved.

However they have not changed, and that is why the problem continues. The Cyprus problem will be solved if (1) The Turks stop the aggression and they recognize the right of the Cypriot people for democracy and human rights, or (2) when the Turks will be defeated and Cyprus will be liberated from them, ending in this way centuries of oppression against the native Cypriot people.

Meanwhile the Turks insist on continuing the war they started in 1974 by illegally occupying 1/3rd of the territory of Republic of Cyprus, and there is no doubt that if their aggression doesn't stop that Cyprus will see more suffering and casualties.

Now look Piratis, this can’t happen, if you start agreeing with me, you will ruin my reputation.
I told you before a million times. For the 1570/71 take Lala Mustafa Pasa to court, you know where he resides, and he is unlikely to abscond.

Problem is what you are doing today which unfortunately is not any different than what Lala Mustafa Pasa did.

From the day you set your foot on our island, you did not commit crimes against us for only 80 years. For the rest 358 years, including the most recent 50 years (half century), you continue with crimes and illegalities against us.

You started all wars and conflicts in Cyprus.
And yet, you come here to present yourselves as the victims, because you also had casualties during your invasions and in the wars and conflicts you started against us.

Showing to us your casualties and suffering during the wars you started simply shows that we fought back. Nothing more than that. The Germans also suffered and had casulties during WWII. So what? Does this make them any less responsible for starting the wars?

The blame for the wars and conflicts lies with the aggressor, and the aggressor is the one who started the wars and conflicts with the aim to deny to the Cypriot people their freedom. And, the aggressor in Cyprus has always been, and continues to be today, the Turks.

[Piratis]

"Show me one country that has taken onboard any conventions of war."

Well, we must admit that the ELDYK soldiers who fought in Cyprus in 1974 kept to the rules of war. There is not one single incident of rape or otherwise harming civilians by them. They had the opportunity to harm civilians if they were so inclined in villages northwest of Nicosia where they came in contact with TC civilians, they did not.

Does Murataga, Atlilar and Sandallar mean anything to you? All civilian men, women and children wiped out. Are you totally oblivious to the atrocities committed by Greek Cypriot Army.

Forgive me but I do not know who ELDYK soldiers are.

Good example of what I have been talking about.

Do you know when those events took place YFred?

The Turkish invasion that murdered 1000s and ethnically cleansed 100s of thousands of Greek Cypriots was on July 20th 1974. Now give me the dates for the events you describe.

When you find the dates you will see, that as always it is the Turks who started the war and the atrocities, and then they come here to present themselves as the innocent ones because during the war they started they also had some casualties!

[insan]

So one Turkish soldier confesses to executing a POW and killing 9 others and the extremists on this forum have decided to come out in full attack.

Respect for our dead huh?

Oh well, DT has arrived, everyone run for cover!

Have always been respectful and forthcoming when GC's have been uncovered to have acted in the wrong. You've decided to piss on our dead. Thats our difference mate.

Not at all.
Simple fact is, that Greeks killed many more Greeks than has been admitted till now, which has been kept a secret for so long.
Another fact is that if Turkish army didn't arrive there would have been thousands more killed.
The final fact is, we need a Truth Commission set up so the truth can come out.
Very simple.

I have 3 uncles and one cousin who fought in the war. I have a mother in law who was aborting young GC girls months after the invasion after having been raped. You sit there and close your eyes to the biggest tragedy your mother country has bought on my people and smirk about truth commissions? The world knows what happened, my relatives know what they saw, my mother in law wasn;t aborting girls raped by Martians.

I have 5 uncles and 3 cousin who fought in the war. I have a mother in law who was aborting young TC girls months after the Turkey's intervention after having been raped by Greek officers and EOKA-B gangs. I have 2 step elder sisters that were raped by 10 NG soldiers, one of them became pregnant and had abortion the other one luckily didn't become pregnant. My neighbour aged 30 had abortion just after a few months following Turkish intervention bcz she together with her 2 children became a refugee, the reason she had abortion was because of her husband was killed during the combat and she thought couldn't afford to look after her baby. I have You sit there and close your eyes to the biggest tragedy your Hellenic desires have bought on my people and smirk about truth commissions? The world knows what happened, my relatives know what they saw, my mother in law wasn;t aborting girls raped by Martians.


Let write more abt rapes and abortions. It's easy

[doesntmatter]

"Show me one country that has taken onboard any conventions of war."

Well, we must admit that the ELDYK soldiers who fought in Cyprus in 1974 kept to the rules of war. There is not one single incident of rape or otherwise harming civilians by them. They had the opportunity to harm civilians if they were so inclined in villages northwest of Nicosia where they came in contact with TC civilians, they did not.

Does Murataga, Atlilar and Sandallar mean anything to you? All civilian men, women and children wiped out. Are you totally oblivious to the atrocities committed by Greek Cypriot Army.

Forgive me but I do not know who ELDYK soldiers are.

Good example of what I have been talking about.

Do you know when those events took place YFred?

The Turkish invasion that murdered 1000s and ethnically cleansed 100s of thousands of Greek Cypriots was on July 20th 1974. Now give me the dates for the events you describe.

When you find the dates you will see, that as always it is the Turks who started the war and the atrocities, and then they come here to present themselves as the innocent ones because during the war they started they also had some casualties!

It's ok for the Greeks and GCs, they got Piratis to defend them and brainwash them with a load of lies and BS.

[doesntmatter]

"Another fact is that if Turkish army didn't arrive there would have been thousands more killed. " Meaning thousands more GC killed by GCs.

Are you relying on this opinion as an excuse for a Turkish soldier killing his captives? You are saying that this act was an act of rescue of GCs? Are you totally nuts?

Ecevit himself said that the second Attila operation cost 4500 GC dead. Who the hell are you to dispute his facts?

Now if a GC had said something like that, you would have come along and said that he was some general boasting too much....

One GC made "Voice of Blood", is he allowed to go back to South Greek Cyprus or is he still hiding in the safety of the TRNC in fear of his life?

[mariacyp]

Hello from Canada.

To all Greek Cypriots:

Instead sitting here arguing with Turkish on the Internet, who did what, get all your information and make websites stating the facts for the entire world to see.

By sitting here arguing with them it want take you anywhere. Always they pass to the world they are the good people and everybody else is against them.

They never killed the Armenians, they never killed the Greeks in Smyrna, and they never killed the Greeks in Istanbul. Always they had the right and all these people they were killed from accidents and between them.

The world has to see with what kind of people are dealing with.
If we do not do something they will be always on top, because with their lies are tying to convince people they are right and everyone else is wrong. Check the Internet to see how many sides are putting up every day.

See some articles complaining even for their moss in the free part of Cyprus and they do not see what they did to our homes and Churches in the illegally occupied side.

Do not waste a minute. Start websites and even in Wikipedia you can start an article stating all the facts.

[runaway]

Hello from Canada.

To all Greek Cypriots.

Instead sitting here arguing with Turkish on the Internet who did what, get all your information and make websites stating the facts for all the world to see.

By sitting here arguing with them it want take you anywhere. Always the pass to the world they are the good people and everybody else is against them.

They never killed the Armenians, they never killed the Greeks in Smyrna, they never killed the Greeks in Instabul. Always they had the right and all thelse people they were killed from accidents and between them.

The world has to see with what kind of people are dealing with.
If we do not do something they will be always on top, because with their lies are tying to convinve people they are right and everyone else is wrong. Check the Internet to see how many sides are puting up every day.

See some articles complaining even for their moss in the free part of Cyprus and they do not see what they did to our homes and Churches in the illigaly occupied side.

This is the only way

R u sure u r in Canada? Very bad English indeed.I am sure u r even worse speaking English with ur funny Greek accent of yours. Grow up and feel sorry for the TCs u ve killed.