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[Get Real!]

I see the mixture of Greek and Antipodean character you have developed sir.

Now look here Y-Fronts… if Paphitis is entitled to THAT then surely “Your Majesty” is the LEAST you can address the forum’s democratically elected honorable Ombudsman coupled with VIP status!

[DT.]

"on 21 December 1963, when Greek Cypriot police officers shot and killed a Turkish Cypriot couple in the Turkish sector of Nicosia while attempting to carry out a spot check."

True in part, there were also GC police officers shot at that incident, which goes to show that everyone who has an axe to grind over this problem picks and chooses which facts to cite.

That article was written by somebody who I think is Greek. I may be wrong about who he is. I think he researched it very well. But the purpoose of the post was to show Oracle that in war, nobody sticks to the rules, including the very people she is defending. Thats all.
Look at what Israel and America has been doing in the last few years. Show me one country that has taken onboard any conventions of war.

So basically you're arguing that these things happen....

[zan]

"Another fact is that if Turkish army didn't arrive there would have been thousands more killed. " Meaning thousands more GC killed by GCs.

Are you relying on this opinion as an excuse for a Turkish soldier killing his captives? You are saying that this act was an act of rescue of GCs? Are you totally nuts?

Ecevit himself said that the second Attila operation cost 4500 GC dead. Who the hell are you to dispute his facts?

Now if a GC had said something like that, you would have come along and said that he was some general boasting too much....

[Nikitas]

"Show me one country that has taken onboard any conventions of war."

Well, we must admit that the ELDYK soldiers who fought in Cyprus in 1974 kept to the rules of war. There is not one single incident of rape or otherwise harming civilians by them. They had the opportunity to harm civilians if they were so inclined in villages northwest of Nicosia where they came in contact with TC civilians, they did not.

[doesntmatter]

Turkish actor confesses the killing of ten Greek Cypriots during 1974 invasion

January 23, 2009

Turkish actor Attila Olgac confessed yesterday the killing of ten Greek Cypriots during the 1974 Turkish invasion to Cyprus, which resulted to the occupation of the island's northern third.
''I killed ten people,'' Olgac said in a shocking revelation to Turkish channel Star TV.
Olgac, who served in the Turkish army during the invasion, added that the first person he killed ''was a 19-year old prisoner of war.''
''I shot him at the forehead and he died,'' he said in a shocking revelation.
Olgac, who stars a well-known TV series ''The valley of the wolves,'' said that after he killed the Greek Cypriot soldier he killed ''nine more.'' However, he did not clarify whether the other nine killings were against prisoners or during a battle.
Hundreds of Greek Cypriots have been missing since 1974.
To date, the remains of over 466 individuals have been exhumed while 110 have been identified and returned to the families concerned. Additional missing persons will be identified and their remains returned to their families early in the coming year.

Article 13, of the Geneva Convention, stipulates that ''prisoners of war must at all times be humanely treated. Any unlawful act or omission by the Detaining Power causing death or seriously endangering the health of a prisoner of war in its custody is prohibited, and will be regarded as a serious breach of the present Convention.''

Financial Mirror

An article in a Greek newspaper website without the name of the author.

Very good. :roll:

It wasn't you who wrote that by any chance, was it?

Oh by the way, why didn't you post the link, was it because it's a Greek site?

http://www.financialmirror.com/News/Cyp ... News/13677

[YFred]

"Another fact is that if Turkish army didn't arrive there would have been thousands more killed. " Meaning thousands more GC killed by GCs.

Are you relying on this opinion as an excuse for a Turkish soldier killing his captives? You are saying that this act was an act of rescue of GCs? Are you totally nuts?

Ecevit himself said that the second Attila operation cost 4500 GC dead. Who the hell are you to dispute his facts?

Please be honest and tell me how many Greek Cypriots and How many Turkish Cypriots would have been killed if Turkish Army never came to Cyprus.
I would hazard a guess and say 100,000 combined, probably higher percentage of Turkish Cypriots.
Look at what the Serbs did to the Bosnians.
Look at what Americans did to the Iraqis( Estimated at up to 1million dead).

[YFred]

"on 21 December 1963, when Greek Cypriot police officers shot and killed a Turkish Cypriot couple in the Turkish sector of Nicosia while attempting to carry out a spot check."

True in part, there were also GC police officers shot at that incident, which goes to show that everyone who has an axe to grind over this problem picks and chooses which facts to cite.

That article was written by somebody who I think is Greek. I may be wrong about who he is. I think he researched it very well. But the purpoose of the post was to show Oracle that in war, nobody sticks to the rules, including the very people she is defending. Thats all.
Look at what Israel and America has been doing in the last few years. Show me one country that has taken onboard any conventions of war.

So basically you're arguing that these things happen....

Its not an argument. Its a fair dose of opinion and fact in equal measure.

[zan]

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[YFred]

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What Timing, I was discussing the state of the Greek police and the justice system with DT just a few days ago. Perhaps when they finish with the police, they can get on to the Judiciary.

Why deleted? Zan, please explain.

[Piratis]

That’s what happens in war. Atrocities committed by both sides

Exactly YFred. So the question is not so much of what happened during the war or conflict (the answer to that will always be crimes and casualties from both sides)

The question is who started the war.

And all the wars and conflicts in Cyprus were started by the Turks.

The very first one, in 1571, was started by the Turks, and it lasted until 1878, a period during which native Cypriots were mascaraed by the 1000s on multiple occasions and treated like shit.

Then, merely 80 years later, in 1958, the Turks (again!) collaborate with the new rulers of Cyprus, and again attack the native Cypriots in order to again deny to Cypriots their freedom and self-determination from foreign rule, and the result is the inter-communal conflict.

Then in 1974 the Turks invade yet again. They claim that they invade to "save the poor TCs who were killed", but the undeniable fact is that no TC was killed in 1974 until after the Turks invaded.

So in all cases we have casualties from both sides (much more from our side), but the important thing is that all suffering and casualties happened during wars and conflicts which the Turks started.

The Turkish aggression and imperialism is the Cyprus Problem. Without the Turkish aggression and imperialism there wouldn't be a Cyprus problem to begin with (there wouldn't be any Turks in Cyprus). But even if at some point the Turks stopped being aggressive, then they would have recognize the right of the Cypriot people for democracy and human rights and the problem would be solved.

However they have not changed, and that is why the problem continues. The Cyprus problem will be solved if (1) The Turks stop the aggression and they recognize the right of the Cypriot people for democracy and human rights, or (2) when the Turks will be defeated and Cyprus will be liberated from them, ending in this way centuries of oppression against the native Cypriot people.

Meanwhile the Turks insist on continuing the war they started in 1974 by illegally occupying 1/3rd of the territory of Republic of Cyprus, and there is no doubt that if their aggression doesn't stop that Cyprus will see more suffering and casualties.