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UK Government warns its citizens over Greek Cypriot property
16.01.2009

The British Foreign and Commonwealth Office has announced that it has amended its travel advice for UK citizens visiting the island of Cyprus following the recent statement released by Juliane Kokott, the German Advocate General at the Court of Justice of the European Communities (EJC), regarding the purchase of property in the north. The recent alterations to the advice is in relation to the purchase of land or property that pre-1974 belonged to Greek Cypriots. The Advocate General’s statement followed the Oram’s case being transferred to the EJC and, should it be accepted by the Court, will affect all foreigners who have homes or investments on ‘Greek Cypriot property’ in northern Cyprus.
The Orams case has turned up at the EJC following the case taken out by Greek Cypriot Meletis Apostoledes against the British couple, Linda and David Orams, in Nicosia District Court when he stated that they had built a villa on land in Lapithos (Lapta) in Kyrenia that belonged to him before 1974. Kokott stated that it was her opinion that “the court’s decision in Greek Cyprus should be recognised and implemented in other European Union (EU) member countries although it concerns land in North Cyprus.”

Referring to ECHR

The Greek Cypriot Politis newspaper wrote that the section on ‘Purchasing Property’ in the ‘Cyprus travel advice’, given by the British Foreign Office, emphasises that “The European Court of Human Rights has ruled in a number of cases that owners of property in northern Cyprus prior to 1974 should continue to be regarded as the legal owners of that property.” Advocate General Kokott’s opinion that came out on behalf of the Greek Cypriots has worried northern Cypriot citizens. President Mehmet Ali Talat stated that the report was important and opposition parties warned that the impending court’s decision would have a devastating effect.

Potential Danger

Kokott’s report is advisory and is non binding, but it has been stated that court makes its decisions through such reports. If the Court of Justice leans towards the prosecutor’s opinion then all foreigners who have houses or investments on Greek Cypriot land in northern Cyprus will be affected. Greek Cypriots can even seize their estate and bank accounts in Europe. It has been anticipated that approximately 10 thousand foreigners who own real estate in North Cyprus can sell their estates with the concern that their properties could be seized.

http://www.observercyprus.com/observer/ ... px?id=3417

[Kikapu]

Now watch all these Morally Corrupted people who bought stolen GC properties in the north commit even more crimes by trying to hide their assets from the victims they had no problem committing these crimes against in the first place. Criminals never learn, that the long arm of the LAW will eventually get them. They will try to run, but they will never be able to hide. The karma of Haram has come to haunt them. It is only fair that these people face the same music that they were only too happy to dance to when they were making their Haram money. Time has now come to "pay the piper".!

[Viewpoint]

Are you aware that the majority of Brits do not hold TRNC title deeds? Due to prolonged procedures many have purchased off plan with no official documents.

[Lee A Kada]

No title deeds in the south either

[Kikapu]

Are you aware that the majority of Brits do not hold TRNC title deeds? Due to prolonged procedures many have purchased off plan with no official documents.

Of course there are no OFFICIAL DOCUMENTS, because the whole thing is done in a dishonest way, and the "trnc" is complicit in these fraudulent deal to commit these crimes. Actually, all the officials of the "trnc" can be sued for aiding and abetting these crimes. You will see a lot of these people moving to Turkey if a settlement is ever reached.

So what are you saying, that these Morally Corrupted individuals gave their money to a stranger for the house they bought without any proof that they own the house.?

What a bunch of idiots.!

That's a fast way of losing your investment in a hurry.!

As soon as there is a settlement, these losers might as well just back up their bags and leave town leaving their investments behind, since they can't even prove that they own the house built on GC land to claim any compensation from the "trnc" who promised them that everything was up and up.!

Actually, title deeds are not necessary to charge these people with a crime. These people have left a paper trail a mile long already from day one.

Did these people not pay any stamp duty to the "trnc", or currently pay any property taxes. Did these people not take out a mortgage from a bank for a property on a certain street with a door number. Can they prove that they are paying rent to another owner if they are not the owners. Even though they have not received their title deeds, are their names not registered in the "trnc's" land registry office and property tax office. The list goes on and don't be so sure, that with a little bit of bribing, that these information from the "trnc" offices can't be gotten from those working there.

I know you want to send a comforting message to these criminals to make them feel at ease so not to cause a panic by stampeding out of the "trnc" pronto, but you will not be able to save them I'm happy to say. By the way, it seems like, the Brits are some of the buyers of the GC's properties. Most seems to be other TC's living in the UK, so it is not just the Brits who should be worried about this problem.

[miltiades]

Kikapu , have to give it to you mate you had them sussed out all along.
Following a lengthy conversation I had with a T/C , who shall remain anonymous , for now , who fell victim to these unscrupulous so called government officials I understand fully how the corrupt system operates.

[zan]

Kikapu , have to give it to you mate you had them sussed out all along.
Following a lengthy conversation I had with a T/C , who shall remain anonymous , for now , who fell victim to these unscrupulous so called government officials I understand fully how the corrupt system operates.

The same crime has happened at the same time in the so called regulated "RoC"...

This is just one:

Cyprus property scam reported on ITV
By David Crowther • April 5th, 2008 • Filed under
Many people will have read about the £3 million Cyprus property scam in Paphos involving J&I Estates, and their sole agent in Cyprus Peter Stephenson Properties.

Ian Beaumont, the director, of J&I Estates was locked away for a £450,000 fraud in Kuwait. His “partner in crime”, Andrew Nolan of Peter Stephenson properties has twice been banned from serving as a company director in the UK. On the second occasion, the judge branded Nolan a “complete fraudster” after his insurance company One Call Insure Direct went bust with debts of £2.3m.

On Thursday 3rd April, in its series “Holiday Homes from Hell”, ITV screened a 7 minute item about the scam, including interviews with a number of those who have been conned.

[Kikapu]

Kikapu , have to give it to you mate you had them sussed out all along.
Following a lengthy conversation I had with a T/C , who shall remain anonymous , for now , who fell victim to these unscrupulous so called government officials I understand fully how the corrupt system operates.

I think I can guess who that TC may be. I believe he stated few weeks ago that he was going to give us some information on how he got screwed by the "trnc".!

[zan]

Are you aware that the majority of Brits do not hold TRNC title deeds? Due to prolonged procedures many have purchased off plan with no official documents.

Of course there are no OFFICIAL DOCUMENTS, because the whole thing is done in a dishonest way, and the "trnc" is complicit in these fraudulent deal to commit these crimes. Actually, all the officials of the "trnc" can be sued for aiding and abetting these crimes. You will see a lot of these people moving to Turkey if a settlement is ever reached.

So what are you saying, that these Morally Corrupted individuals gave their money to a stranger for the house they bought without any proof that they own the house.?

What a bunch of idiots.!

That's a fast way of losing your investment in a hurry.!

As soon as there is a settlement, these losers might as well just back up their bags and leave town leaving their investments behind, since they can't even prove that they own the house built on GC land to claim any compensation from the "trnc" who promised them that everything was up and up.!

Actually, title deeds are not necessary to charge these people with a crime. These people have left a paper trail a mile long already from day one.

Did these people not pay any stamp duty to the "trnc", or currently pay any property taxes. Did these people not take out a mortgage from a bank for a property on a certain street with a door number. Can they prove that they are paying rent to another owner if they are not the owners. Even though they have not received their title deeds, are their names not registered in the "trnc's" land registry office and property tax office. The list goes on and don't be so sure, that with a little bit of bribing, that these information from the "trnc" offices can't be gotten from those working there.

I know you want to send a comforting message to these criminals to make them feel at ease so not to cause a panic by stampeding out of the "trnc" pronto, but you will not be able to save them I'm happy to say. By the way, it seems like, the Brits are some of the buyers of the GC's properties. Most seems to be other TC's living in the UK, so it is not just the Brits who should be worried about this problem.

Wipe the froth from your mouth and don't get so excited...Your personal pleasure in seeing TCs suffer is sickening to see....You and Miltiades would just love to see the TC people like we were in 1963/67....Starving and without work or homes.....You can both go to hell as far as I am concerned......

What ever happens, we will not give up....Get that into your thick heads.

The property issue is something that has to be addressed in a sensible way. Compensation is the only way. It has been offered.

If you guys think that the UK is going to allow you a free for all when and if the Orams case is ever finished, then you are madder than I thought you were.....You haven't got a chance in hell of convicting a single TC.....I would like to see the publicity if you tried.....

[Kikapu]

Kikapu , have to give it to you mate you had them sussed out all along.
Following a lengthy conversation I had with a T/C , who shall remain anonymous , for now , who fell victim to these unscrupulous so called government officials I understand fully how the corrupt system operates.

The same crime has happened at the same time in the so called regulated "RoC"...

This is just one:

Cyprus property scam reported on ITV
By David Crowther • April 5th, 2008 • Filed under
Many people will have read about the £3 million Cyprus property scam in Paphos involving J&I Estates, and their sole agent in Cyprus Peter Stephenson Properties.

Ian Beaumont, the director, of J&I Estates was locked away for a £450,000 fraud in Kuwait. His “partner in crime”, Andrew Nolan of Peter Stephenson properties has twice been banned from serving as a company director in the UK. On the second occasion, the judge branded Nolan a “complete fraudster” after his insurance company One Call Insure Direct went bust with debts of £2.3m.

On Thursday 3rd April, in its series “Holiday Homes from Hell”, ITV screened a 7 minute item about the scam, including interviews with a number of those who have been conned.

Zan is trying to compare Bananas and Elephants in his attempt to make a justification for a state sponsored corruption & crimes to those of corrupted individual businesses. At Least when a corrupted business gets caught, they are dealt with by the justice system. How does a state who commits crime and corruption administer a punishment on itself. Now you understand why I use the term "Corrupted Society" in the north, because the state has deliberately forced everyone to be part of this corrupt system that they have created and no matter how honest an individual TC may be living in the north, they have been forced to become part of the corrupted system. Corruption starts at the top and works it's way down to the common man whether they like it or not or even whether they want it or not. Then again, we deserve the leaders we choose to govern us, the Good, the Bad and the Ugly.!