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Whether the Brits who have bought properties in the North have deeds or not is irrelevant. They are illegally occupying the property which is adequate grounds for prosecution.

[Kikapu]

You have ruined nothing my friend......Facts are facts.....TC people sat and watched for years to have some GC with a heart and common sense to take power and make things right...They watched as their land was "Appropriated" and used to further the "RoC" and the use that power to fight against its own so called people....Now they are buying what they want and doing what hey want with it....

The UK will not allow the Cyprob on its doorstep...YOU can be sure of that....The court cases will run and run and the UK will use what it has to stop you...Simple as that....You can believe what you like....The backlash from TC in the K will be immense if it doesn't...

Zan, if you feel so strongly that those who bought stolen GC lands did nothing wrong but it was only because of the circumstances, therefore they should not have any worries being punished by the authorities in the EU countries they reside in, then why didn't your sister(s) not also buy stolen GC properties to build their apartments in the north. Why didn't you encourage them to buy GC land where it would be cheaper and that no way the original GC owners will ever cause problems for them, because according to you when asked very recently, you have stated that they did not buy stolen GC properties and I will accept that answer until shown otherwise. So Zan, why does your sister(s) do the right and legal thing in not dealing with stolen property and yet you condone it when done by others. Are you now upset with your sister(s) for not investing their hard earned money into GC properties just because they could have gotten more land for the same money they spent on a TC land.?

By the way, what backlash will the TC's do in the UK by those who bought stolen GC land as a investment, since they live in the UK, it's hardly for the purpose of having a shelter over their heads. Don't expect honest TC's to support those Morally Corrupted, Zan. Do you think they are going to threaten the UK government by shutting down Green Lanes in Haringey by having a
"Doner Kebab Revolution" or what.? I guess if that were to happen, it is back to Fish & Chips for the Brits again.! That should teach the Brits for not supporting illegal activities.! It won't be long before mutton makes a come back also as a further punishment for the Brits.! That will teach the Brits a lesson to mind their own bloody business.!

Your whole post is racist and insulting...Not only to me but to all TCs. You my friend need a big wake up call as to who you are and I don't mean as a TC........That you can't change. Only in your mind.

I told you before of the buzz around the GC camp. We had every reason to believe that common sense would prevail and Cyprus would return to normal as to the Zurich agreement. I will not lie and say that there was no fear of losing if that happened. That was until the OXI in 2004 when anger took over and a realisation that people cannot hang around for ever whilst others are making money. The thoughts, with me at least, turned to believing that a split was on the cards so why should we wait for another 40 years whilst all around us, and that includes the GCs, making money. We have been victims of sanctions since 1963 Kikapu......Why should I blame anyone who wants to start coming out of the gloom. You have no right to blame these individual families when the biggest profits are always made by investment from outside. Hit and run on both sides of the island.

The rest goes along he same lines which you have not bothered to think about...circumstance Kikapu......Those TCs on the island have been living by them for 46 years......

Nothing Racist about me and about on anyone. It was to humour you since you made the claim that there will be a TC backlash if the UK went after these people who bought stolen property. You did not yet answer what the TC backlash will be.

I did not even talk about those TC's who sold these stolen properties to others in order to make a "living" and whether they too should be made to face the legal system at some point. The blame goes to the leaders of the "trnc" for not wanting to find a common ground peace with the GC's since late 70's when Denktash agreed to a "BBF" solution, which meant that there was no longer going to be going back to the 1959 Zurich agreements. That was Denktash's second big mistake. First for walking off as a vice president which allowed the RoC into the EU without the TC's participation, and second, was agreeing to a "BBF" which means that the GC's will never have to go back to the original 1960 Constitution and that any new peace settlement will mean a new constitution far different than the one we had in 1960.

It is no use asking for our rights under the 1959 Zurich agreements, because Denktash gave them to the GC's on a silver platter, because as far as he was concerned, the Cyprus Problem was over, until as a stated, when the RoC was to become a EU member. Once again, this puts the TC's at the worse situation possible, because we have nothing to bargain with, other than the northern part of Cyprus which is 80% GC owned, that we hold with the help of the Turkish army, whom also want to be in the EU, which gives the RoC even more power to dictate the terms of a settlement. We had hoped that we can get the north recognised, but that dream of Denktash has also come to be nothing, hence the fact he now wants a 2 independent states solution, because the "BBF" that he signed will not give him that, but the AP would have, eventually.

Denktash did not want to have a settlement before it became apparent that the RoC was going to be in the EU, therefore the TC's were held back economically all those years waiting for a recognition of the north, because as far as Denktash was concerned, the Cyprus Problem was over and the land in the north was now "Turkish", therefore GC land was given to TC's and settlers with deed titles which some started selling them long before the 2004 OXI with the AP.

But what you are saying is, that there were no GC properties being sold off before 2004 AP period, and after the OXI came down, then all of a sudden, the GC properties became to be TC's. Now Zan, you know that is not true, because I already told you that cousin's husband bought GC land 10 years ago dirt cheap, so lets not put all the blame on the poor OXI vote on the AP.

[Nikitas]

Illegal possession is the thing, not illegal purchase. Whoever is on the property at anyone time is liable for tresspass and unlawful occupation and can be ordered to pay damages for that unlawful act. If the judgement can be enforced against him in any EU jurisdiction he can be bankrupted very easily.

If the decisions comes out soon watch all these lowlifes who were eager to buy stolen land run for their moneuy. And watch the values of legal titles shoot sky high.

[zan]

You have ruined nothing my friend......Facts are facts.....TC people sat and watched for years to have some GC with a heart and common sense to take power and make things right...They watched as their land was "Appropriated" and used to further the "RoC" and the use that power to fight against its own so called people....Now they are buying what they want and doing what hey want with it....

The UK will not allow the Cyprob on its doorstep...YOU can be sure of that....The court cases will run and run and the UK will use what it has to stop you...Simple as that....You can believe what you like....The backlash from TC in the K will be immense if it doesn't...

Zan, if you feel so strongly that those who bought stolen GC lands did nothing wrong but it was only because of the circumstances, therefore they should not have any worries being punished by the authorities in the EU countries they reside in, then why didn't your sister(s) not also buy stolen GC properties to build their apartments in the north. Why didn't you encourage them to buy GC land where it would be cheaper and that no way the original GC owners will ever cause problems for them, because according to you when asked very recently, you have stated that they did not buy stolen GC properties and I will accept that answer until shown otherwise. So Zan, why does your sister(s) do the right and legal thing in not dealing with stolen property and yet you condone it when done by others. Are you now upset with your sister(s) for not investing their hard earned money into GC properties just because they could have gotten more land for the same money they spent on a TC land.?

By the way, what backlash will the TC's do in the UK by those who bought stolen GC land as a investment, since they live in the UK, it's hardly for the purpose of having a shelter over their heads. Don't expect honest TC's to support those Morally Corrupted, Zan. Do you think they are going to threaten the UK government by shutting down Green Lanes in Haringey by having a
"Doner Kebab Revolution" or what.? I guess if that were to happen, it is back to Fish & Chips for the Brits again.! That should teach the Brits for not supporting illegal activities.! It won't be long before mutton makes a come back also as a further punishment for the Brits.! That will teach the Brits a lesson to mind their own bloody business.!

Your whole post is racist and insulting...Not only to me but to all TCs. You my friend need a big wake up call as to who you are and I don't mean as a TC........That you can't change. Only in your mind.

I told you before of the buzz around the GC camp. We had every reason to believe that common sense would prevail and Cyprus would return to normal as to the Zurich agreement. I will not lie and say that there was no fear of losing if that happened. That was until the OXI in 2004 when anger took over and a realisation that people cannot hang around for ever whilst others are making money. The thoughts, with me at least, turned to believing that a split was on the cards so why should we wait for another 40 years whilst all around us, and that includes the GCs, making money. We have been victims of sanctions since 1963 Kikapu......Why should I blame anyone who wants to start coming out of the gloom. You have no right to blame these individual families when the biggest profits are always made by investment from outside. Hit and run on both sides of the island.

The rest goes along he same lines which you have not bothered to think about...circumstance Kikapu......Those TCs on the island have been living by them for 46 years......

Nothing Racist about me and about on anyone. It was to humour you since you made the claim that there will be a TC backlash if the UK went after these people who bought stolen property. You did not yet answer what the TC backlash will be.

I did not even talk about those TC's who sold these stolen properties to others in order to make a "living" and whether they too should be made to face the legal system at some point. The blame goes to the leaders of the "trnc" for not wanting to find a common ground peace with the GC's since late 70's when Denktash agreed to a "BBF" solution, which meant that there was no longer going to be going back to the 1959 Zurich agreements. That was Denktash's second big mistake. First for walking off as a vice president which allowed the RoC into the EU without the TC's participation, and second, was agreeing to a "BBF" which means that the GC's will never have to go back to the original 1960 Constitution and that any new peace settlement will mean a new constitution far different than the one we had in 1960.

It is no use asking for our rights under the 1959 Zurich agreements, because Denktash gave them to the GC's on a silver platter, because as far as he was concerned, the Cyprus Problem was over, until as a stated, when the RoC was to become a EU member. Once again, this puts the TC's at the worse situation possible, because we have nothing to bargain with, other than the northern part of Cyprus which is 80% GC owned, that we hold with the help of the Turkish army, whom also want to be in the EU, which gives the RoC even more power to dictate the terms of a settlement. We had hoped that we can get the north recognised, but that dream of Denktash has also come to be nothing, hence the fact he now wants a 2 independent states solution, because the "BBF" that he signed will not give him that, but the AP would have, eventually.

Denktash did not want to have a settlement before it became apparent that the RoC was going to be in the EU, therefore the TC's were held back economically all those years waiting for a recognition of the north, because as far as Denktash was concerned, the Cyprus Problem was over and the land in the north was now "Turkish", therefore GC land was given to TC's and settlers with deed titles which some started selling them long before the 2004 OXI with the AP.

But what you are saying is, that there were no GC properties being sold off before 2004 AP period, and after the OXI came down, then all of a sudden, the GC properties became to be TC's. Now Zan, you know that is not true, because I already told you that cousin's husband bought GC land 10 years ago dirt cheap, so lets not put all the blame on the poor OXI vote on the AP.

The TC backlash.......We shall see but we have been very quite up until a few years ago...Still we are no where near loud enough.

Everything in your post is racist as I have already stated....You called every TC a thief and the rest of us just sell Kebabs somewhere or another....This is what I mean about trying to find out who you are...You seem to see yourself different to your words written here.


I said nothing of the sort in that things happened over night. Some TCs invested earlier yes..I am talking in general terms. If anyone said that they bought property in the TRNC then the first question was, Greek or Turkish property......We are a permanence in Cyprus Kikapu...Anyone who thinks that we think in other terms is just is crazy.

So you think that because we made some mistakes....Not that we were not pushed, if you read he Akritas plan properly that is, we should lose our rights......That goes for the GCs as well then...They made a mistake and let Turkey in...They should lose their lands....Might is right is that it....Whether it is by the gun or by deception and maneuvering....

[miltiades]

Looks like , finally , the game is approaching the end for these cheapskates buying stolen properties in a part of Cyprus that they know pretty well that its under occupation by Turkey. These Brits are mostly the uneducated lower classes with very few quid in their pockets looking for something that has fallen from the back of a lorry. Hope they are getting their just rewards greedy sods.

[Oracle]

Illegal possession is the thing, not illegal purchase. Whoever is on the property at anyone time is liable for tresspass and unlawful occupation and can be ordered to pay damages for that unlawful act. If the judgement can be enforced against him in any EU jurisdiction he can be bankrupted very easily.

If the decisions comes out soon watch all these lowlifes who were eager to buy stolen land run for their moneuy. And watch the values of legal titles shoot sky high.

Agree with you Nikitas, except I think the value of "legal" titles will fall also, because after all, who wants to live in a neighborhood where such shenanigans are going on ....

[halil]

Talat Pointing out that false reports have emerged in the Greek Cypriot press claiming that the European Court of Human Rights has recognized rulings of Greek Cypriot courts concerning property cases, the President said any such interference from the international community at a time when the talks were continuing was absolutely unacceptable.


Underlining that the elements of any agreement to be reached should not be in contradiction with agreed principles, President Talat warned that there were many contradictions and imbalances on the issue of property which will be taken up next.

[Viewpoint]

How can you prosecute and obtain a conviction to take forward from someone who does not own the property? Isnt the point trying to prove they bought GC land illegally? if theres no sale then wheres the crime? very thin ice there, the Orams have deeds in their own names.

[Oracle]

Talat sounds like a criminal on the run, or in denial, also!... How many properties has he sold then?

[Kikapu]

The TC backlash.......We shall see but we have been very quite up until a few years ago...Still we are no where near loud enough.

Everything in your post is racist as I have already stated....You called every TC a thief and the rest of us just sell Kebabs somewhere or another....This is what I mean about trying to find out who you are...You seem to see yourself different to your words written here.


I said nothing of the sort in that things happened over night. Some TCs invested earlier yes..I am talking in general terms. If anyone said that they bought property in the TRNC then the first question was, Greek or Turkish property......We are a permanence in Cyprus Kikapu...Anyone who thinks that we think in other terms is just is crazy.

So you think that because we made some mistakes....Not that we were not pushed, if you read he Akritas plan properly that is, we should lose our rights......That goes for the GCs as well then...They made a mistake and let Turkey in...They should lose their lands....Might is right is that it....Whether it is by the gun or by deception and maneuvering....

It was not meant to mean anything other than what I've said. That's the reason why I mentioned Green Lanes, which has number of Kebab Houses as you know and I also put the "Doner Kebab Revolution" in quotes to resemble the "Orange Revolution", "Red Revolution" and recently " Yellow Revolution". If you still feel that it was a put down on TC's, then I apologize.

If you read my statement carefully, I only called those who bought GC properties as being Morally Corrupted and that they should not expect the honest TC's to support them in their backlash attempt against the UK government.

No Zan, I have never said we should not have any rights at all. We want the same rights as the GC's have, and unless I'm mistaken, those same rights that the GC's have are being offered to us, but we are not satisfied with only having same rights as they, because we want more rights than them and at the same time while asking for these extra rights, we do not want to be considered a minority but an equal partner, when we are demanding more rights than our partners, just because their population size is greater than ours. Did I miss anything at all, Zan.?

I think I have made a pretty good plan for us under the "BBF", but since it is not the same as the Annan Plan, it is looked down upon, just because the plan is based on equal rights unlike the AP, which was totally Racist and Undemocratic, worse than the 1960 constitution which brought the problems we have today. Being in the EU is no longer going to be who has the might anymore and who can impose unfaif settlement at the cost of the other people you want to live with. I've said this before and let me say it once again, "be nice to your neighbour, because he knows where you live". We (Cypriots) are yet to learn our lessons from the 60's I'm afraid, but that is no reason why we can't form a Democratic country just like all the other country in the EU. 2004 changed everything, and those who do not wish to change also, will be left behind. We need to play our part to become players in Cyprus and not demand that others bow to our unreasonable demands. Yes, Cyprus is home to the TC's, but it is also home the the GC's who are 4 times larger than us, but they are not demanding rights four times more than us, but we are demanding more rights than them. This is not Democracy and it is not very neighbourly with the people we want to be neighbours with.