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[Get Real!]

Turkish pilots act tough in northern Iraq where there is little or no resistance, so even if a Kurd has a Stinger missile or two the chuff fools it, but the National Guard’s French Mistral S2A systems are state of the art as they can distinguish between different types of electromagnetic radiation (infrared) and does NOT get fooled by chuff, and not to mention its ability to resist jammers, so a Turkish pilot will be lucky to last 5 minutes in the air against these…

Chaff Flares!

I am sure an F-16 does not even need Chaff to fool a mistral because they do not even need to fly within the Mistral's range in order to hit its target.

The Mistrals are a FAMILY of S2A ranging from simple hand-helds to complex country-wide systems. Their firing range is 6km so what A2G can the F-16 attain?

[Paphitis]

Turkish pilots act tough in northern Iraq where there is little or no resistance, so even if a Kurd has a Stinger missile or two the chuff fools it, but the National Guard’s French Mistral S2A systems are state of the art as they can distinguish between different types of electromagnetic radiation (infrared) and does NOT get fooled by chuff, and not to mention its ability to resist jammers, so a Turkish pilot will be lucky to last 5 minutes in the air against these…

Chaff Flares!

I am sure an F-16 does not even need Chaff to fool a mistral because they do not even need to fly within the Mistral's range in order to hit its target.

The Mistrals are a FAMILY of S2A ranging from simple hand-helds to complex country-wide systems. Their firing range is 6km so what A2G can the F-16 attain?

Turkey has Maverick A2G with a stand off distance of some 100kms.

[saravakos]

Guilty: Britain admits collusion, new torture claims emerge

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 34735.html

Have you ever wondered as to the reasons why secret services indulge in such practices , or is your mission purely dictated by your obsession and sick hatred of the West ?
Paphitis rather stupidly stated earlier that you are "supporting Cyprus "
what he actually meant is that you are supporting every single terrorist group starting with Al Qaeda , Hamas , Hezbollah , Jihad is holy , Kill the infidels , Death to America Party Of God !!
Tell me mate , are your state of the art gadgets Al Qaeda made !!

You are nothing but a babbling fool who has no idea about reality as your world is black and white and you no doubt suffer from acute tunnel vision.

I feel insulted that a person of your very limited comprehension and intellect would even consider putting words in my mouth so I ask you to crawl back under your rock..

I am done with you as you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. For your information, if an armed conflict ever started in Cyprus, then at the very LEAST the CNG would be able to liberate at least 50% of the occupied areas. Trust me, I know what I am talking about!

Air forces and numbers mean nothing in a 24-48 hour conflict. An army of 50,000 is more than capable of bringing down a nation with an army of 6,000,000, and that is a fact!

So piss off!

I suggest you go and drink your milk boy to help your brain grow . I sussed you out a long time ago but tried to at least listen to you . You are talking so much shit I can smell it from here . So we can take the Turkish army 6 million of them and defeat them can we. You are a bigger fool than I thought you were if you believe the rubbish you post "Air forces and numbers mean nothing in a 24-48 hour conflict. An army of 50,000 is more than capable of bringing down a nation with an army of 6,000,000, and that is a fact! ""
What bollocks ! I just hope the likes of you are safely locked up where they belong a bloody loony bin mate.
What absolute shit , and who told you that Turkeys army is just 6 million !!!
What a Plonker !

Miltiades, if you were one bit intelligent you would have had GR on the ropes in your personal dual with him as his biased debate is riddled with so many inconsistencies and double standards, but since you are nothing but an incompetent nincompoop, I suggest you confine your postings to the Jokes and Enigma section where you belong.

You can lead a fool to water but you can't force him to drink!

When referring to a military of 6,000,000, I was referring to the Red Army of the People's Republic of China. As I said, your comprehension skills are below par, so please quit wasting our time. Turkey does NOT have a military of 6,000,000.... IDIOT!

Turkey is the 9th largest army in the world. Unlike you Plonker I don't go around armed with the numbers that each country has under arms.
You have consistently insulted me which shows that you are a rude , rather selfish and undisciplined young man. If you can not debate in a civil manner then I suggest that you refrain from posting .
You have posted some absolute crap regarding the capabilities of our armed forces which proves that the time you spent in the Aussie AIR FORCE WAS A BLATANT WASTE OF TIME.
Don't be a wanker be a debater , one more rude comment from you and you will be reported to the UN Mental Asylum



ps. So now not only can we take the 1 million plus Turkish army we could take on China's 6 million plus !!! What a Plonker

Oh the irony...

[Get Real!]

Turkish pilots act tough in northern Iraq where there is little or no resistance, so even if a Kurd has a Stinger missile or two the chuff fools it, but the National Guard’s French Mistral S2A systems are state of the art as they can distinguish between different types of electromagnetic radiation (infrared) and does NOT get fooled by chuff, and not to mention its ability to resist jammers, so a Turkish pilot will be lucky to last 5 minutes in the air against these…

Chaff Flares!

I am sure an F-16 does not even need Chaff to fool a mistral because they do not even need to fly within the Mistral's range in order to hit its target.

The Mistrals are a FAMILY of S2A ranging from simple hand-helds to complex country-wide systems. Their firing range is 6km so what A2G can the F-16 attain?

Turkey has Maverick A2G with a stand off distance of some 100kms.

Ma ti mou psalis vre dora? Does an F-16 hit a target with an A2G from 100km???

[Free Spirit]

Turkish pilots act tough in northern Iraq where there is little or no resistance, so even if a Kurd has a Stinger missile or two the chuff fools it, but the National Guard’s French Mistral S2A systems are state of the art as they can distinguish between different types of electromagnetic radiation (infrared) and does NOT get fooled by chuff, and not to mention its ability to resist jammers, so a Turkish pilot will be lucky to last 5 minutes in the air against these…

Chaff Flares!

I am sure an F-16 does not even need Chaff to fool a mistral because they do not even need to fly within the Mistral's range in order to hit its target.

The Mistrals are a FAMILY of S2A ranging from simple hand-helds to complex country-wide systems. Their firing range is 6km so what A2G can the F-16 attain?

Turkey has Maverick A2G with a stand off distance of some 100kms.

My uncles an engine driver.

[Paphitis]

Turkish pilots act tough in northern Iraq where there is little or no resistance, so even if a Kurd has a Stinger missile or two the chuff fools it, but the National Guard’s French Mistral S2A systems are state of the art as they can distinguish between different types of electromagnetic radiation (infrared) and does NOT get fooled by chuff, and not to mention its ability to resist jammers, so a Turkish pilot will be lucky to last 5 minutes in the air against these…

Chaff Flares!

I am sure an F-16 does not even need Chaff to fool a mistral because they do not even need to fly within the Mistral's range in order to hit its target.

The Mistrals are a FAMILY of S2A ranging from simple hand-helds to complex country-wide systems. Their firing range is 6km so what A2G can the F-16 attain?

Turkey has Maverick A2G with a stand off distance of some 100kms.

Ma ti mou psalis vre dora? Does an F-16 hit a target with an A2G from 100km???

This may be of some interest to you..

http://www.f-16.net/news_article1776.html

Also, the Mistrel Short Range Missile is basically useless against fast attack jets. With a range of only 6km, the only thing these missiles would be able to shoot down would be a Cessna aircraft. It would be an enormous fluke if an F-16 was destroyed by a Mistral. An F-16 could fly over 1,000 Mistrals at 18,000Ft and be 99.9% safe. The only way to counter an F-16 is with another F-16 or M2000 at altitudes greater than 18,000FT should the attacking aircraft fear the Mistral.

As a matter of fact, even the S300, Gecko and Tor are ineffective against air attack. These systems are easy pickings for HARM A2G attack. Once they turn their radar on, then it is bye-bye! Good target practice for the pilots though.

There is no SAM or Air Defense umbrella that is able to defeat a modern air force.

[DT.]

Only one thing for it then. We hit them with our G3's while they're still on the ground

[Paphitis]

Only one thing for it then. We hit them with our G3's while they're still on the ground

You could tell Pistofias to buy you guys some M2000s.. Even just half a dozen...please..

I don't know about you, but I have lost all hope for these talks. The only other option is to spend up big on arms.

[Get Real!]

Also, the Mistrel Short Range Missile is basically useless against fast attack jets. With a range of only 6km, the only thing these missiles would be able to shoot down would be a Cessna aircraft. It would be an enormous fluke if an F-16 was destroyed by a Mistral. An F-16 could fly over 1,000 Mistrals at 18,000Ft and be 99.9% safe. The only way to counter an F-16 is with another F-16 or M2000 at altitudes greater than 18,000FT should the attacking aircraft fear the Mistral.

As a matter of fact, even the S300, Gecko and Tor are ineffective against air attack. These systems are easy pickings for HARM A2G attack. Once they turn their radar on, then it is bye-bye! Good target practice for the pilots though.

There is no SAM or Air Defense umbrella that is able to defeat a modern air force.

The world must be expecting a huge Cessna attack...

“Mistral entered series production in 1989 and is now deployed by 37 armed forces of 25 countries. Over 16,000 missiles have been ordered. In June 2001, the last of 45 ATLAS launchers and 9 MCP with Mistral 2 missiles were delivered to Hungary. In February 2007, Estonia placed an order for the Mistral 2 missile system. Up to 25 launchers are required for service entry in 2009.”

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/mistral/


Go back to sleep Paphitis…

[Paphitis]

From your source I obtained the following data:

with the missile at a distance of about 15m from the gunner, the sustainer motor ignites and accelerates the missile towards the target at Mach 2.5. The range of the missile is up to 6km, which it reaches in 9s.

With a range of up to 6 kms, the most you could possibly expect is to shoot down a helicopter, and even this would be a long shot.

There is no way a Minstral could even dent the fuselage of an F-16 flying at 18,000FT. If it was an effective weapon, then there would be more countries purchasing it than just Cyprus, Estonia and Hungary.

The Minstral is just a fire cracker I am afraid... Plenty of PFFFFT......clunk..anti climax really, but no match against any modern air force...

How many F-16s have these deadly weapons shot down?